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Anti-homeschooling
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:42:51 -0600, Michelle J. Haines
wrote: Hi, again -- On thinking again about homeschooling (NOT something I personally have the energy for, but I've seen excellent results from friends who do it) my major concern would not be about the average homeschooler, but how do you ferret out the people who merely SAY they're homeschooling, but are really abusing the concept? Each state has their own homeschooling requirements. You could certainly get away with that in some states, couldn't in others. Texas doesn't require any reporting at all, and Wyoming is pretty lax. Other states require standardized testing, portfolios, and regular semester visits from someone inspecting the homeschooling stuff. Homeschoolers actively fight having requirements though. While I don't know how you ferret them out, I know some examples from people I met online. I am in contact with both of these people offline as well now, though we met online. Most of the homeschooled kids I have met are doing well, bright and happy, but.. One young man (now 23), was *homeschooled* after he was had problems in 3rd grade. He never finished his education. He is very bright, but hasn't got his GED and cannot find a job. He was pulled out of school in Georgia, moved around, never was reregistered, never did any schooling beyond what he learned online after he was pulled out, though his mom told the authorities in Georgia and in Florida that she was homeschooling him. Another young girl (now 13), was homeschooled in Colorado - unfortunately, this was a situation where she was being abused not schooled - her parents are now in jail and she is in school. Again, she is very bright, but has a lot of gaps in her knowledge base and her learning because she was being trained to be obedient and not to question anyrhing her father told her. And because of the abuse, she is not able to function well in social situations. I am sure these are exceptions to the rule. Homeschooling is not a bad thing in general, but it can be *used* to cover a myriad of sins. The other thing to remember is that some children begin to be homeschooled and when the parents fail at it, the child comes back into the public school system with no penalty, but well behind his peers. Several of my teacher friends have encountered this problem. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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For what it's worth, I just ran a few searches on google for sites that oppose home schooling. I found zilch. So, those of you who suggested "just use google" ... where IS there any information that suggests home schooling might not be ideal, or under what circumstances it might not be a good idea? Did you see my post on how to figure this out from *pro*-homeschooling sites? It's really not that tough. I should think it is *exactly* the kind of practice that someone taking debate really needs, and very likely is one reason why this topic was chosen. --Helen |
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Michelle J. Haines wrote in message .. .
In article , says... Part of the research process is asking questions. I had to interview people for information when I was a kid. I would have been in a sorry state if the people I chose to interview said "do your own homework." And you know what? If she had asked to interview us, I'm sure she would have gotten some enthusiastic responses. She didn't ask for that. She asked us to do her basic research for her -- telling her were to find articles, what books she should read, etc. She can do that research just as well as the rest of us. If you don't want to be helpful to her, why did you post anything? Think about how you would feel, right now, if you are having a difficulty with one of your little ones, and the response from the net was "go to the library, and do your own research!" I doubt you'd feel good. And if she had posed as a parent...say, "my husband and I are at odds about homeschooling, and I'd like URLS both for and against it" we would have jumped all over ourselves to help. Same info, different way to request it. Her mistake was letting parents know she was doing homework. Poor kid. Honesty was her downfall. And honestly, getting some URLs and titles doesn't remove the bulk of the work. She still has to read it, and gather the info into a coherent speech. AND providing a piddly URL will show her how the web is connected. One Url can lead her to many others. Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 |
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Joni Rathbun wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, dragonlady wrote: In article , (Beth Kevles) wrote: For what it's worth, I just ran a few searches on google for sites that oppose home schooling. I found zilch. So, those of you who suggested "just use google" ... where IS there any information that suggests home schooling might not be ideal, or under what circumstances it might not be a good idea? (And what search terms did you actually use? Mine didn't work ...) No fair just pulling up some URLs from memory ... --Beth Kevles I rememebr seeeing issues of Time and Newsweek in the last few years featuring homeschoolimg- that also might be a source. |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:04:59 -0600, Michelle J. Haines
wrote: But kids come to new schools way behind when transferring from other public schools, too. I had a friend in Texas who transferred to our public school from another state. She was VERY, VERY far behind us. It wasn't her fault. She was a straight A student at her old school. Her old school just wasn't as advanced as ours. -- ==Daye== Momma to Jayan #2 EDD 11 Jan 2004 E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au |
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"Michelle J. Haines" wrote in message ... In article , says... And honestly, getting some URLs and titles doesn't remove the bulk of the work. She still has to read it, and gather the info into a coherent speech. AND providing a piddly URL will show her how the web is connected. One Url can lead her to many others. If she's posting the questions to Usenet, she's fairly computer savvy as it is. A lot of adults I know say, "Huh?" when I bring up Usenet. Isn't everything on the web, ya know? And other parents aren't being graded on her research and presentation skills. She is. Why isn't asking on here considered a viable research tool? Judy |
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Hi, again - Michelle, "arguments against homeschooling" isn't a search term I'd have thought of, but it worked! It led me to a paper by Robert Reich (which I couldn't even manage to get the abstract of online, but I know I could find it in print if I try hard enough) and the review of a book that looked useful. I still haven't located any statistics about how well homeschool kids do and under what circumstances homeschooling works/doesn't work. Plenty of anecdotes, but no data. Since this is strictly an intellectual exercise for me I'll probably stop my research here. (I just wanted to know what that kid could, in fact, have found online. And the short answer is, it's NOT at all obvious how to find anything that way. But it can be done.) Thanks, all, for your thoughts. --Beth Kevles http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. |
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x-no-archive:yes ==Daye== wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:04:59 -0600, Michelle J. Haines wrote: But kids come to new schools way behind when transferring from other public schools, too. I had a friend in Texas who transferred to our public school from another state. She was VERY, VERY far behind us. It wasn't her fault. She was a straight A student at her old school. Her old school just wasn't as advanced as ours. This is often a problem for kids that transfer, especially between countries. My dd is afraid that her son transferring to MD from England will be completely behind in stuff that we take for granted that the kids absorb as part of our culture - like the story about the Pilgrims and Plymouth Rock, our Civil War etc. Knowing about Guy Fawkes Day or the War of the Roses isn't the same. He's also unpracticed in the sports we customarily have here, although we do have more soccer football now. My dds had the most problem transferring between Maryland and RI. And it wasn't exactly because one school was more advanced. The 2nd grader was already doing cursive and RI didn't start until 3rd grade and they insisted that she print. The 4th grader was behind in long division but she had to give up instrumental music because RI didn't have it until 7th grade, where MD started in 3rd grade. But the RI school had a gymnastics program (which MD doesn't). grandma Rosalie |
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