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"Gypsy0005" wrote in message ... I have a question for you, Indy. Does the child have the right to choose the most expensive college/university available? NJ also offers automatic post secondary education expenses and/or child support. However there is case law supporting termination of these if there is no relationship between father and child and if dad was not included in the decision making process. My husband and I are in the midst of such a case now in an attempt to emancipate his 19 yr old daughter we haven't seen in over 10 yrs. The case in question is Moss V Nedas. Another thought is to fight it through the courts on the basis it is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania recently agreed with this aspect and they are now "18 and out". Very few states left that require anything more than 18 and high school education. Good luck on your case, Gypsy! |
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In article , Gypsy0005 says...
I have a question for you, Indy. Does the child have the right to choose the most expensive college/university available? NJ also offers automatic post secondary education expenses and/or child support. However there is case law supporting termination of these if there is no relationship between father and child and if dad was not included in the decision making process. My husband and I are in the midst of such a case now in an attempt to emancipate his 19 yr old daughter we haven't seen in over 10 yrs. The case in question is Moss V Nedas. Another thought is to fight it through the courts on the basis it is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania recently agreed with this aspect and they are now "18 and out". Very few states left that require anything more than 18 and high school education. ==== I don't know how many there are but a lot of NCPs come through here who are dealing with post minority/college support. It seems there must still be a lot of states doing it. I have also read where courts have upheld constitutional challenges in spite of the PA Supreme Court ruling. ==== |
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gypsy wrote:
snip to Very few states left that require anything more than 18 and high school education. Three states don't require any college support but order support till the age of 21. Two order CS till 19, regardless if they are in school or not. Eighteen states still can and do order support for most majority children that are furthering their education. I hardly consider 23 states *very few*. Mrs Indyguy |
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I hardly consider 23 states *very few*.
An attorney I spoke to last week who is very well known in this arena said he believed it was 9 states left that order post secondary education support. Regardless of the number that is left, even 1 is far too many. It is an issue that flies in the face of justice. When you take only one segment of the population and force them to do something no one else does then you are violating their rights. In NJ only divorced non custodial parents (mostly fathers) are FORCED to pay towards college AND contribute child support for an ADULT child. If you want to argue that all children are entitled to a college education AND living expenses while they are in college then so be it, but until this is a right afforded all children it is just plain wrong! |
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gypsy wrote:
An attorney I spoke to last week who is very well known in this arena said he believed it was 9 states left that order post secondary education support. Then I guess he isn't all that well versed afterall. Regardless of the number that is left, even 1 is far too many. It is an issue that flies in the face of justice. Dont remember the exact stats on this but it's something like over 80 % of parents in intact families help with their childrens college expenses and less that 20% of NCPs help with the same. And lets not even go to the *they can't afford it* excuse. Most states stop CS at that point and the money formely used as CS can be applied to the college help. Divorced parents refusing to help with their childrens college expenses flies in the face of family, IMHO. When you take only one segment of the population and force them to do something no one else does then you are violating their rights. Just like parents in intact families have their rights violated every day that the feds only base federal aid for children of divorce on one of their parents homes income. AND the child can generally pick whatever household they want to declare. While children in intact families have to declare BOTH parents incomes. In NJ only divorced non custodial parents (mostly fathers) are FORCED to pay towards college AND contribute child support for an ADULT child. Then they are one of a very few. Perhaps that is what your top notch lawyer was refering to. States that order college support AND CS. If you want to argue that all children are entitled to a college education AND living expenses while they are in college then so be it, but until this is a right afforded all children it is just plain wrong! I see it as a shame that any parent has to be forced to help thier children attain an education. I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I bet it will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years. Mrs Indyguy |
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It's lonely for a lot of parents in nursing homes even today, and I'll betcha
some of those parents stuck in those homes are ones who DID pay for their kids' college educations... In article , (Indyguy1) writes: I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I bet it will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years. Mrs Indyguy |
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You are wrong, MrsIndy...
No state orders parent-paid college education for ALL children. And that is the problem. Until the day comes when the state orders ALL children to go to college and ALL parents to pay for post-secondary education, I don't believe ANY parent should be compelled to pay for post-secondary education, divorced or otherwise. Gud In article , (Indyguy1) writes: Three states don't require any college support but order support till the age of 21. Two order CS till 19, regardless if they are in school or not. Eighteen states still can and do order support for most majority children that are furthering their education. I hardly consider 23 states *very few*. Mrs Indyguy |
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I think that is one of the most fair settlements I've seen of any case like
this. Kudos to your co-worker, Tracy...looks like a win/win situation for the child... In fact, I think I'm going to write the facts and circumstances down, and use them for my own benefit, if and when such an event arises. Gud In article Upccd.191878$wV.160439@attbi_s54, "Tracy" writes: I can't speak for Illinois, but a while back I posted concerning a co-worker of mine. His case was in Indiana, but he took it to court. He was able to have a say, and the judge listened and agreed. My co-worker listened and acted reasonably. Although he didn't agree with being forced to pay part of the college education he did get the judge to agree to stipulations. 1) his daughter started at a less expensive school 2) his daughter was to provide her father with her grades 3) if she was not passing her classes support would stop 4) support was paid directly to the university, not her mother or the daughter 5) the mother had to pay her fair share directly to the university, not the daughter The daughter attended one term at a less expensive university, not a college. The university she attended was much less than the private university she originally wanted to attend. She did not pass all classes. Therefore, support ended. So I believe judges will listen, but it is a case-by-case situation. If the parents, NCP and/or CP, is reasonable, the judge may end up being reasonable too. Tracy |
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"GudGye11" wrote in message ... It's lonely for a lot of parents in nursing homes even today, and I'll betcha some of those parents stuck in those homes are ones who DID pay for their kids' college educations... How arrogant to think that concern about one's parents is tied to whether they paid for college tuition.........spoken like a true liebral. In article , (Indyguy1) writes: I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I bet it will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years. Mrs Indyguy |
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