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  #51  
Old April 10th 07, 06:41 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
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Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

Now, now, Ray. elizabeth is painting the typical "Woman=Victim"
picture. You don't want to go and ruin her artwork, do you? She's been
fingerpainting all day!!


ElizaBeth is just making stories up. I've had gone through a tubal
ligation surgery and I'm still alive.


Yes, I know she is. I do not understand why any of this needs to be a
man's rights vs women's rights argument. If a child is conceived
unexpectedly, give each parent 50% custody, and let them support the child
while the child is with them. I am willing to wager that there would be
far fewer "accidental" pregnancies if easy money were not attached.





Ugh! I better hurry and ask the family doctor for a referral to the surgeon
so I can have womb and tubes removed. I really do not want children.


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Old April 10th 07, 06:41 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child
should keep her panties on and herlegs together.


Many who are 35 and older and should know better too!

Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by
themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible
for pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese.

Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this!


Then why are men and women not held equally responsible by the system?


I don't know. That's the question for the government full of men to
answer.


No, no--not just men. The women are probably even more evil about the whole
thing than the men are. The fact is that the woman having the child is
considered the "victim" of the man--deserving of being paid for her
victimhood. I find that absolutely disgusting. Hold both equally
responsible, and there will be far fewer complaints--and a lot less
injustice.




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Old April 10th 07, 06:43 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama"
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On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:

And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women
who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are
the
women Gina Knows.

I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious
complications from pills and IUDs.

Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very
serious
complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!!

Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.


Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should
keep her panties on and herlegs together.


No, YOU're the one who're the fool because you think that women are only
responsible for pregnancies, not men.

Guess what? Either you flunked the Sex Education classes or you just
don't give a damn about women.

On the contrary, I was responding to the fool who keeps emphasizing that
MEN who don't want to be fathers should take all the steps to keep that
from happening. Well, WOMEN who don't want to PAY ALL EXPENSES should
NOT get pregnant, because there is NO GUARANTEE that they will be able to
force a man to help pay! Just because the system is SET UP to make sure
women get their hands on the man's money does NOT mean that the system
will come through for the woman, and she will HAVE TO be able to support
her own child. COULDA, SHOULDA doesn't always make dreams come true. So
WOMEN who do not want to take the *chance* of raising a child alone
should KEEP THEIR PANTIES ON AND THEIR LEGS TOGETHER! Why is that so
hard to understand?


If there are no men, then there will be no unwanted pregnancies.


If the panties were kept on and the legs kept together, there would be no
unwanted pregnancies.


Get your head out of the sand and wake up.


Get your panties back on and wake up.



I always wear panties unless it's bed time and I can assure you that there
is no man in this household hahaha


chuckle Good idea. The fact is, I think the system is very biased toward
women and against men. And I think the children are suffering for it.


  #54  
Old April 10th 07, 06:44 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should
do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants
to do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision
without "the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?


Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?



What if the mother doesn't want the child to start with hm? For an
example. after the child birth, the mother would refuse to look at or hold
the child.

When it is the time to leave, the mother leaves without the child.

Now what would the solution be?


Gee, how about, if thefather wants the child, MOM has to pay child support
until the child is 18. How does that sound to you? Because that is how men
are treated now. Sound fair?




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Old April 10th 07, 06:54 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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CafeWriter wrote:
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I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.


Won't happen. Women are opposed to it.

Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants to
do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision without
"the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?


You already forgot lessons one and two. You are addressing that
question to the people who don't get pregnant.

--
Ray Fischer


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Old April 10th 07, 07:31 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

Now, now, Ray. elizabeth is painting the typical "Woman=Victim"
picture. You don't want to go and ruin her artwork, do you? She's been
fingerpainting all day!!


ElizaBeth is just making stories up. I've had gone through a tubal
ligation surgery and I'm still alive.


Yes, I know she is. I do not understand why any of this needs to be a
man's rights vs women's rights argument. If a child is conceived
unexpectedly, give each parent 50% custody, and let them support the
child while the child is with them. I am willing to wager that there
would be far fewer "accidental" pregnancies if easy money were not
attached.





Ugh! I better hurry and ask the family doctor for a referral to the
surgeon so I can have womb and tubes removed. I really do not want
children.


There are permanent ways to prevent that. Thank goodness some people are
wise enough to decide that in advance, and make appropriate plans.


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Old April 10th 07, 07:53 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be
a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for
a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has
to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should
do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants
to do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision
without "the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?

Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?



What if the mother doesn't want the child to start with hm? For an
example. after the child birth, the mother would refuse to look at or
hold the child.

When it is the time to leave, the mother leaves without the child.

Now what would the solution be?


Gee, how about, if thefather wants the child, MOM has to pay child support
until the child is 18. How does that sound to you? Because that is how
men are treated now. Sound fair?




Hence another good reason for abortion to happen.


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Old April 10th 07, 09:11 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a
tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be
a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for
a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a
condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has
to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they
should do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should
be held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held
financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants
to do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision
without "the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure
you wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?

Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?



What if the mother doesn't want the child to start with hm? For an
example. after the child birth, the mother would refuse to look at or
hold the child.

When it is the time to leave, the mother leaves without the child.

Now what would the solution be?


Gee, how about, if thefather wants the child, MOM has to pay child
support until the child is 18. How does that sound to you? Because that
is how men are treated now. Sound fair?




Hence another good reason for abortion to happen.


Morally, I find abortion repugnant. However, I know that my morals do not
run the country, and abortion has been made legal. My disagreement is with
the child support system that holds men to a much higher standard than
women. If the system were fair and balanced, I would have no objection. I
don't believe that men should have the option of running around having sex,
creating children, and moving on--but I also don't believe that women should
bhave the option of bringing child after child into the world with no
intention of ever supporting them--and expecting taxpayers to pick up the
slack if they can't stick the man with the expenses. We need a better
solution--this one obviously is not working.




  #59  
Old April 10th 07, 01:28 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:28:29 GMT, "CafeWriter"
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
.. .
elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless
asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.


That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

--
Ray Fischer



Um... I have had a tubal ligation and I'm still alive!


Obviously, not every woman who has a tubal ligation dies.

However, general anesthesia, as used with this surgery, can be quite
dangerous.
Beverly
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Old April 10th 07, 02:03 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"elizabeth" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of

heartless
asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of

society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.


As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.


Oh for goodness sake, grow up!! If a woman is banging out a ******* a

year,
by a different man each time, she should have her plumbing removed so she
can't bring any more children into the world that she has no intention of
ever supporting.

If a man is reepopulating a small city with his bedroom antice, he should

be
similarly rendered sterile.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own sexual behavior. And
setting up a system where woman bears child, and dad pays for 18-22 years

is
NOT effective. 50/50 joint custody with both parents being required to

work
to support the child their 50% of the time would be far more realistic.


Not to mention FAIR to everyone involved! Something the "family court" will
have NOTHING to do with. Could you imagine the public outcry if they enacted
such a principle? They say "replace fathers for children with free money to
mothers". I say, "replace free money to mothers with fathers for children"!







 




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