Christine case...It's rolling! LMFAO

Michael© wrote:
"0:-" wrote in
ps.com:

.. . .
And I'll be keeping watch. As will the Oregon state police. And if you
put ONE more mention of Don Fisher, or allude to his location again, I
shall see to it the Iowa state police have a copy of all your
correspondance. I take YOU very seriously. You should, if you are
wise, take ME very seriously. I don't bluff.

Because his name got inadvertantly linked to mine three or four years
ago, I feel an obligation to him. So ....

... if so much as a hair on Don or his family gets mussed, the wheels,
already well greased with information, will start to turn. Even an
inquiry from the wrong quarter will be sufficient.

.. . .
Kane





The net cop Kane A.K.A. Don Fisher will be watching!

LMAO

Oregon State Police will be monitoring this group too because Don Fisher
is such an important man! He has the State Police protecting him just
like the governor does!

LMAO

The wheels are greased! Let 'em roll Don Fisher, you ****ing piece of
****! I hope someone cuts your ****ing head off and ****s down your
throat while your wife and kids watch!

They rolling yet?

No but I am. On the floor. You silly ego besotted twit.

LMFAO

You are nearly as stupid as Greg, and that's goin' some.

Michael©®™

You THINK you know how to put a threat together that doesn't make you
complicit, but you are too stupid to look up statute first.

I'm not.

I never post on such matters without close attention to detail.

Keep posting. I love it.

0:-

Kane wrote
A little side note. When you came to my neighborhood we got your picture.
You are one of three visitors, and it's not going to be hard to find out
which you are, if push comes to shove.

If Kane isn't Donald Fisher then why is Kane so
freaked about somebody who THINKS Don=Kane
actually showing up in Don's neighborhood?
....And referring to it as HIS neighborhood? Video and all...

Kane has used his duck blind of anonymity as a tool
of harassment for YEARS. He publicly posted gratuitous
obscenity for over a year. Kane has made the most vicious
and hateful comments to and about people he disagrees with.
He posted messages calling an elderly woman a [c-word] over and over.
Kane claimed expertise in psychology, but then tried using
that supposed expertise to INSULT opponents.
Kane made all kinds of claims and vicious insults while
hiding behind his anonymity.

Kane's has gone out of his way to incite anger in any
opponents, harassing, obsessing, taunting all while hiding
behind his anonymity. To me this is an abuse of anonymity.

Coprolalia is an apt comparison, the sort of person
who sits on a bus in the middle of black people
and yells the n-word, and then complains about
what results.

I am not anonymous, and Kane has made comments
about how he flies all over and how he might pay me a visit.
Should I contact law enforcement about that?

In a newsgroup called alt.support.child-protective-services
In a message thread called In regards to my recent prior post.

Greg Hanson of Cedar Rapids Iowa wrote

I confess I also hope very bad things happen to Kane.
Please send me a copy of the report.

The BS artist formerly known as Kane 0:- wrote:
On Nov 16, 8:39 pm, "Michael©" wrote:
"0:-" wrote :

Criminal Investigations Division Oregon State Police


This is the message in question with the full header included.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Again, feel free to contact me by reply.

Michael, you are not invited to reply to me in return unless it is
publicly where our conversations take place.

But I have sent you a copy of this for your personal files and any
other use you wish to make of it.LMFAO

I have a copy, thanks, **** face!

You are welcome.

I'll be sure that they send me a copy of the complaint in this matter,
since it is my right and it is public record!

Ah, good. You've asked for a copy then. That's takes care of something
I was interested in finding out.

I'll share a copy
here when I receive it.

Thank you. I look forward to it.

We can presume you won't revise it, but will scan it into a page it can
be viewed in its original form, right? Your website would do nicely.
Be sure and don't obscure the record ID number. I'll be needing that.

It's all evidentary, only, of course, if it's ever needed. For now it's
just plain information.

And will stay that way as long as nothing criminal takes place that
could relate to it.

Come on Michael, where's that familiar "LMFAO" (Laughing my FAT Ass
Off) you like to use to pretend you aren't bothered?

0:-




Kane. . .

Michael

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
A little side note. When you came to my neighborhood we got your picture.
You are one of three visitors, and it's not going to be hard to find out
which you are, if push comes to shove.

If Kane isn't Donald Fisher then why is Kane so
freaked about somebody who THINKS Don=Kane
actually showing up in Don's neighborhood?

I didn't mention Don's neighborhood. I mentioned mine.

...And referring to it as HIS neighborhood? Video and all...

I didn't mention a video?

You have the most interesting delusions, Greg.



Kane has used his duck blind of anonymity as a tool
of harassment for YEARS.

Is Michael posting under his own name?

Did Dennis?

KILLCPSbob?

Bobber?

Fern?

And so many others?

Some of whom promoted violence against CPS workers and others?

He publicly posted gratuitous
obscenity for over a year.

And I still do, occasionally. It takes inspiration though.

You are aware you have, right?

Kane has made the most vicious
and hateful comments to and about people he disagrees with.

I'm absolutely charmed with your restraint when you disagree with
someone.

I seem to recall even recent incidences of accusations of insanity,
felony, and that rip snorter: how to declare yourself a criminal in
court to get your child back.

He posted messages calling an elderly woman a [c-word] over and over.

Could you be referring to the lovely "elderly women" that posted her
claim that people who had their chilren whipped naken in church by
church members where having their parental rights violated by the state
when it intervened? That lovely elderly woman?

The one that like you claim I am a socialist, posited government social
programs?

Kane claimed expertise in psychology, but then tried using
that supposed expertise to INSULT opponents.

Gee, you have done that and NOT claimed expertise. Which of us would be
more likely to know what they were talking about, eh?

Kane made all kinds of claims and vicious insults while
hiding behind his anonymity.

bob

DestroyCPS

Michael (and his family of socks)

Fern(and a number)

Dennis for quite a long time.

Various other folks that used a nym to post.

All hidding?

And what were my claims, Greg? And what was the subject of my insults?

Did they have something to do with lies and misleading and propaganda,
and more especially those that would give dangerous advice to people
losing their children to CPS?

I stand accused, and you are right. I sure as hell did "insult" you
slimey dangerous ****ants that would families in crises for your own
little games of 'losers lies' and 'let's let YOU be the lab rat for my
insane 'tactics''

Kane's has gone out of his way to incite anger in any
opponents, harassing, obsessing, taunting all while hiding
behind his anonymity. To me this is an abuse of anonymity.

If you are the target, I'd say you are right. But a well thought out
"abuse."

Abuse of an abuser, as it were. Well deserved. A liar, a child abuser,
a lazy slug, and someone that tells people ways to get their children
back by doing things that will most definately LOSE those children.

You tried that "I'm a criminal" declaration in court yet, Greg? You
know, the one you told some women fighting for her kids in court, and a
third of the way home, you told to admit to a crime to challenge the
law?

How does that work again? This get's your kids back how?

Coprolalia is an apt comparison, the sort of person
who sits on a bus in the middle of black people
and yells the n-word, and then complains about
what results.

Well, considering you are the bigot and homophobe here, Greg, and I
don't do such things, and this isn't a bus, but a place of debate, and
lots of rough language of all kinds (why aren't you addressing
Michael's frequent use of both his anonymity and foul language?) is
used here.

I am not anonymous,

That's nice.

and Kane has made comments
about how he flies all over and how he might pay me a visit.
Should I contact law enforcement about that?

Sure. Do it.

And while you are at it tell them that you posted the name, address,
and phone number of someone you think is me.

They'll be as charmed as Don Fisher and his family was, when you
identified him as a CPS worker in a newsgroup that has had people
express threats of and a desire to kill CPS workers.

That'll be some "flying" for sure.

What we have here, is a pack of filthy dangerous jackals that have
infested this newsgroup, ascps, for years now, and have routinely and
consistently turned it into a liars club for losers, and a place where
new readers here to see if they can find help are picked off for abuse
and misdirection by you and your cronies.

Your, and others, continuous attack on the one person here that has
consistently succeeded repeatedly for nearly 18 years, prevailing not
only in his own case, about 15 times, and helping dozens of other
people get their children back in extremely difficult circumstances, is
proof posative of just how dangerous, self serving, and vicious you
people are.

You may NOT have this newsgroup exclusively for your brutalization of
these folks, Greg.

Most will NOT fall for your bull****, ever. And I'm here to provide
some help with exposing you, again and again.

And it's worked.

Can't say as they might not have gotten it eventually, but imagine if
they all fell for your bull**** "Make it a Constitutional issue" and
"use announcing your breaking the law as a tactic to get your children
back."

You are a loser, and you want others to be losers. It's the only way
you can hide from the truth of you being a loser.

It's nice to see how desparate you and other liars and vampires here
have become that they are so frightened of me and angry at me they will
try anything to drive me away, even threaten me with violence.

Keep up the good work.

I have all these posts, of your lies, just like this one, to send them
to review if they look for a minute like they are about to fall for
your dangerous bull****.

0:-}

Kane wrote
And while you are at it tell them that you posted the
name, address, and phone number of someone you think is me.

Address and phone number?
Citations please!

Kane griped about "Make it a Constitutional issue".

Something either IS or isn't a Constitutional issue.
The only question is whether a person raises the issue.

Dan suggested raising these issues on appeal.
This is not ALLOWED if the issues were never raised
in the lower court. Attorneys commonly fail to
take action to "preserve appealable issues".

This is much more disastrous than the
bad advice you say I gave somebody.

Kane, You're claiming that a person who thinks you are Don
showed up in your neighborhood and was photographed?
If he actually appeared in your neighborhood, wouldn't
he have to know that you aren't Don, unless you are?
What hovoc did he raise in your neighborhood anyway?

Kane wrote
A little side note. When you came to my neighborhood we got your picture.
You are one of three visitors, and it's not going to be hard to find out
which you are, if push comes to shove.

If Kane isn't Donald Fisher then why is Kane so
freaked about somebody who THINKS Don=Kane
actually showing up in Don's neighborhood?

I didn't mention Don's neighborhood. I mentioned mine.

...And referring to it as HIS neighborhood? Video and all...

I didn't mention a video?

You have the most interesting delusions, Greg.



Kane has used his duck blind of anonymity as a tool
of harassment for YEARS.

Is Michael posting under his own name?

Did Dennis?

KILLCPSbob?

Bobber?

Fern?

And so many others?

Some of whom promoted violence against CPS workers and others?

He publicly posted gratuitous
obscenity for over a year.

And I still do, occasionally. It takes inspiration though.

You are aware you have, right?

Kane has made the most vicious
and hateful comments to and about people he disagrees with.

I'm absolutely charmed with your restraint when you disagree with
someone.

I seem to recall even recent incidences of accusations of insanity,
felony, and that rip snorter: how to declare yourself a criminal in
court to get your child back.

He posted messages calling an elderly woman a [c-word] over and over.

Could you be referring to the lovely "elderly women" that posted her
claim that people who had their chilren whipped naken in church by
church members where having their parental rights violated by the state
when it intervened? That lovely elderly woman?

The one that like you claim I am a socialist, posited government social
programs?

Kane claimed expertise in psychology, but then tried using
that supposed expertise to INSULT opponents.

Gee, you have done that and NOT claimed expertise. Which of us would be
more likely to know what they were talking about, eh?

Kane made all kinds of claims and vicious insults while
hiding behind his anonymity.

bob

DestroyCPS

Michael (and his family of socks)

Fern(and a number)

Dennis for quite a long time.

Various other folks that used a nym to post.

All hidding?

And what were my claims, Greg? And what was the subject of my insults?

Did they have something to do with lies and misleading and propaganda,
and more especially those that would give dangerous advice to people
losing their children to CPS?

I stand accused, and you are right. I sure as hell did "insult" you
slimey dangerous ****ants that would families in crises for your own
little games of 'losers lies' and 'let's let YOU be the lab rat for my
insane 'tactics''

Kane's has gone out of his way to incite anger in any
opponents, harassing, obsessing, taunting all while hiding
behind his anonymity. To me this is an abuse of anonymity.

If you are the target, I'd say you are right. But a well thought out
"abuse."

Abuse of an abuser, as it were. Well deserved. A liar, a child abuser,
a lazy slug, and someone that tells people ways to get their children
back by doing things that will most definately LOSE those children.

You tried that "I'm a criminal" declaration in court yet, Greg? You
know, the one you told some women fighting for her kids in court, and a
third of the way home, you told to admit to a crime to challenge the
law?

How does that work again? This get's your kids back how?

Coprolalia is an apt comparison, the sort of person
who sits on a bus in the middle of black people
and yells the n-word, and then complains about
what results.

Well, considering you are the bigot and homophobe here, Greg, and I
don't do such things, and this isn't a bus, but a place of debate, and
lots of rough language of all kinds (why aren't you addressing
Michael's frequent use of both his anonymity and foul language?) is
used here.

I am not anonymous,

That's nice.

and Kane has made comments
about how he flies all over and how he might pay me a visit.
Should I contact law enforcement about that?

Sure. Do it.

And while you are at it tell them that you posted the name, address,
and phone number of someone you think is me.

They'll be as charmed as Don Fisher and his family was, when you
identified him as a CPS worker in a newsgroup that has had people
express threats of and a desire to kill CPS workers.

That'll be some "flying" for sure.

What we have here, is a pack of filthy dangerous jackals that have
infested this newsgroup, ascps, for years now, and have routinely and
consistently turned it into a liars club for losers, and a place where
new readers here to see if they can find help are picked off for abuse
and misdirection by you and your cronies.

Your, and others, continuous attack on the one person here that has
consistently succeeded repeatedly for nearly 18 years, prevailing not
only in his own case, about 15 times, and helping dozens of other
people get their children back in extremely difficult circumstances, is
proof posative of just how dangerous, self serving, and vicious you
people are.

You may NOT have this newsgroup exclusively for your brutalization of
these folks, Greg.

Most will NOT fall for your bull****, ever. And I'm here to provide
some help with exposing you, again and again.

And it's worked.

Can't say as they might not have gotten it eventually, but imagine if
they all fell for your bull**** "Make it a Constitutional issue" and
"use announcing your breaking the law as a tactic to get your children
back."

You are a loser, and you want others to be losers. It's the only way
you can hide from the truth of you being a loser.

It's nice to see how desparate you and other liars and vampires here
have become that they are so frightened of me and angry at me they will
try anything to drive me away, even threaten me with violence.

Keep up the good work.

I have all these posts, of your lies, just like this one, to send them
to review if they look for a minute like they are about to fall for
your dangerous bull****.

0:-}

Greegor wrote:
Kane, You're claiming that a person who thinks you are Don
showed up in your neighborhood and was photographed?

Yep. I'm not at liberty to say how he did that, but he did.

If he actually appeared in your neighborhood, wouldn't
he have to know that you aren't Don, unless you are?

Can't say, Greg.

What hovoc did he raise in your neighborhood anyway?

Did I say he did?

We live in a very tight community here. We look out for each other.
Strangers attract a lot of unobserved attention.

Because many people here were or are in LE, they know how to pay
attention.

I have state police, sheriff's deputies, U.S. Marshals living all over
the place here. Some retired, most on active duty.

A few military retired as well.

I picked this neighborhood to live in as much for the neighbors as any
other reason. I know them, they know me. We knew each other, a lot of
us, before I bought here.

It's nice. And it's not in Bend.

0:-


Kane wrote
A little side note. When you came to my neighborhood we got your picture.
You are one of three visitors, and it's not going to be hard to find out
which you are, if push comes to shove.

If Kane isn't Donald Fisher then why is Kane so
freaked about somebody who THINKS Don=Kane
actually showing up in Don's neighborhood?

I didn't mention Don's neighborhood. I mentioned mine.

...And referring to it as HIS neighborhood? Video and all...

I didn't mention a video?

You have the most interesting delusions, Greg.



Kane has used his duck blind of anonymity as a tool
of harassment for YEARS.

Is Michael posting under his own name?

Did Dennis?

KILLCPSbob?

Bobber?

Fern?

And so many others?

Some of whom promoted violence against CPS workers and others?

He publicly posted gratuitous
obscenity for over a year.

And I still do, occasionally. It takes inspiration though.

You are aware you have, right?

Kane has made the most vicious
and hateful comments to and about people he disagrees with.

I'm absolutely charmed with your restraint when you disagree with
someone.

I seem to recall even recent incidences of accusations of insanity,
felony, and that rip snorter: how to declare yourself a criminal in
court to get your child back.

He posted messages calling an elderly woman a [c-word] over and over.

Could you be referring to the lovely "elderly women" that posted her
claim that people who had their chilren whipped naken in church by
church members where having their parental rights violated by the state
when it intervened? That lovely elderly woman?

The one that like you claim I am a socialist, posited government social
programs?

Kane claimed expertise in psychology, but then tried using
that supposed expertise to INSULT opponents.

Gee, you have done that and NOT claimed expertise. Which of us would be
more likely to know what they were talking about, eh?

Kane made all kinds of claims and vicious insults while
hiding behind his anonymity.

bob

DestroyCPS

Michael (and his family of socks)

Fern(and a number)

Dennis for quite a long time.

Various other folks that used a nym to post.

All hidding?

And what were my claims, Greg? And what was the subject of my insults?

Did they have something to do with lies and misleading and propaganda,
and more especially those that would give dangerous advice to people
losing their children to CPS?

I stand accused, and you are right. I sure as hell did "insult" you
slimey dangerous ****ants that would families in crises for your own
little games of 'losers lies' and 'let's let YOU be the lab rat for my
insane 'tactics''

Kane's has gone out of his way to incite anger in any
opponents, harassing, obsessing, taunting all while hiding
behind his anonymity. To me this is an abuse of anonymity.

If you are the target, I'd say you are right. But a well thought out
"abuse."

Abuse of an abuser, as it were. Well deserved. A liar, a child abuser,
a lazy slug, and someone that tells people ways to get their children
back by doing things that will most definately LOSE those children.

You tried that "I'm a criminal" declaration in court yet, Greg? You
know, the one you told some women fighting for her kids in court, and a
third of the way home, you told to admit to a crime to challenge the
law?

How does that work again? This get's your kids back how?

Coprolalia is an apt comparison, the sort of person
who sits on a bus in the middle of black people
and yells the n-word, and then complains about
what results.

Well, considering you are the bigot and homophobe here, Greg, and I
don't do such things, and this isn't a bus, but a place of debate, and
lots of rough language of all kinds (why aren't you addressing
Michael's frequent use of both his anonymity and foul language?) is
used here.

I am not anonymous,

That's nice.

and Kane has made comments
about how he flies all over and how he might pay me a visit.
Should I contact law enforcement about that?

Sure. Do it.

And while you are at it tell them that you posted the name, address,
and phone number of someone you think is me.

They'll be as charmed as Don Fisher and his family was, when you
identified him as a CPS worker in a newsgroup that has had people
express threats of and a desire to kill CPS workers.

That'll be some "flying" for sure.

What we have here, is a pack of filthy dangerous jackals that have
infested this newsgroup, ascps, for years now, and have routinely and
consistently turned it into a liars club for losers, and a place where
new readers here to see if they can find help are picked off for abuse
and misdirection by you and your cronies.

Your, and others, continuous attack on the one person here that has
consistently succeeded repeatedly for nearly 18 years, prevailing not
only in his own case, about 15 times, and helping dozens of other
people get their children back in extremely difficult circumstances, is
proof posative of just how dangerous, self serving, and vicious you
people are.

You may NOT have this newsgroup exclusively for your brutalization of
these folks, Greg.

Most will NOT fall for your bull****, ever. And I'm here to provide
some help with exposing you, again and again.

And it's worked.

Can't say as they might not have gotten it eventually, but imagine if
they all fell for your bull**** "Make it a Constitutional issue" and
"use announcing your breaking the law as a tactic to get your children
back."

You are a loser, and you want others to be losers. It's the only way
you can hide from the truth of you being a loser.

It's nice to see how desparate you and other liars and vampires here
have become that they are so frightened of me and angry at me they will
try anything to drive me away, even threaten me with violence.

Keep up the good work.

I have all these posts, of your lies, just like this one, to send them
to review if they look for a minute like they are about to fall for
your dangerous bull****.

0:-}

Greegor wrote:
Kane griped about "Make it a Constitutional issue".

Yep. If it's not needed.

Something either IS or isn't a Constitutional issue.

Gee, can I quote you?

The only question is whether a person raises the issue.

There is rarely a time what something is "only a question of."

Dan suggested raising these issues on appeal.

Yep, if it's appropriate.

This is not ALLOWED if the issues were never raised
in the lower court.

"never raised?"

That's not what you said earlier on this issue, nor what Bob the
Creative Constitutionalist suggests. What makes you think you have to
'file' anything with the court?

Everything that transpires in a court case is appealable. One need only
read the court transcript to pick and choose.

Show us the statutes that says that one must file anything at all to
later appeal on a subject that came up in court.

And the circumstances where one would appeal something but not have
already brought it up in court?

Attorneys commonly fail to
take action to "preserve appealable issues".

What "action?"

Dodo, the problem is that your buddy Bob the Constitutional Creativist,
and I mean that in the most appreciative way, 0:-, seems to think that
invoking, in trial, all the amendments he mentioned, which for the most
part have anything to do with family court RARELY IF AT ALL, is a waste
of time and will NOT be useful then or later.

You cannot, for instance, claim your child is being enslaved (without
making everyone laugh) because he or she is in foster care. It would
never GO to appeal, so why file on it with a claim of violation of the
13th?

So what good what it do to invoke the 13th amendment, claim a
violation, so you could later appeal? No appellate court would agree to
hear such a case...unless you had some evidence your child was treated
like a slave.

Now THAT would be something to bring up in court if you had evidence.
How many such cases have you heard of, that did in fact go on to
appeal?

Show a single CPS case where this has worked? ONE.

This is much more disastrous than the
bad advice you say I gave somebody.

"You say?" No, Greg...I told you. And anyone else that can read.

Are you suggesting you are ready to defend YOUR claim that using
admission of a criminal violation in a civil court child welfare case
is a tactic that is likely to result in the court turning over your
children to you? Winning, in other words?

You trying to shift to an argument about constitional issues, and Dan,
is seen for what it is; a dodge, Greg.

You told someone to use their lawbreaking in a CIVIL CASE, a child
protection case, one that had already been one third WON.

Now I ask you, and don't expect an answer (surprise me anyway), would
YOU use such a strategy yourself in similar circumstances?

If so, why don't you use it in your present case?

Challenge the constitutionality of some law that would be peripheral to
your case...not child abuse or similar, but say something like
recording illegally.

Do it, and get back to us. Or present an argument, with some supporting
data or legal opinions that would support your advice to that woman.

Or go back to attacking Dan or myself with whatever you can pull out of
your hat: lies, personal slander, outrageous claims of CPS workers in
hiding here. Give it a go.

Or, Greg, admit you gave very bad advice indeed, and risk that women,
if she loses her children, suing YOUR ass off.

She can sue you for anything. Remember, that's allowed in this country.


I wonder if you settle before trial, eh? But you are brave enough and
believe in your methods enough (though you have never won a case using
them) to stand up and be counted. Is that not right. Or might you be
thinking, as I am ....

There is a good deal of evidence that you did indeed advise her to
flaunt the law to challenge the law.

Going to go for it, Greg?

0:-

Michael© wrote:
"0:-" wrote in
ps.com:


Greegor wrote:
Kane, You're claiming that a person who thinks you are Don
showed up in your neighborhood and was photographed?

Yep. I'm not at liberty to say how he did that, but he did.

If he actually appeared in your neighborhood, wouldn't
he have to know that you aren't Don, unless you are?

Can't say, Greg.

What hovoc did he raise in your neighborhood anyway?

Did I say he did?

We live in a very tight community here. We look out for each other.
Strangers attract a lot of unobserved attention.

Because many people here were or are in LE, they know how to pay
attention.

I have state police, sheriff's deputies, U.S. Marshals living all over
the place here. Some retired, most on active duty.

A few military retired as well.

I picked this neighborhood to live in as much for the neighbors as any
other reason. I know them, they know me. We knew each other, a lot of
us, before I bought here.

Translation: The halfway house for the formerly committed, criminally
insane to which you were assigned, is conveniently located next-door to
the police department,

I'm about 18 miles from the nearest police department office.

one block away from the veterans home

I'm, probably 60 miles from one of those.

and the
video of the 'stranger'

Three of them. You could be one.

was captured on the 'Goodwill store' parking lot
security camera.

Video? What video?

Goodwill? 48 miles from me.

LMFAO

Sure you are.

You're a trip, Donald Fisher.

Oh, you were talking to him.

Well, okay, I'll relay the message, as I always do when he's mentioned
here.

It's nice to know you are making it less and less possible to take the
action yourself that you hope happens to him, or me. At least less
likely if you don't want to be implicated or caught.

You've no idea what a relief that will be to both our families.

You seem very violent by nature. Am I mistaken in that assumption?

How are the doggies by the way?

Where is this police academy that does killer dog training? I'd sure
like to watch them at work training.

Likely the press would too. Freedom of speech and all. Protection of
the right to it, you know.

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