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Clisby wrote: Sue wrote: Clisby wrote in message There are states where public school officials can legally spank your child without your permission. Wow Clisby, I am amazed. I didn't think any states in the US could spank so I looked it up. Sure enough, 23 states are allowed to spank kids in public schools. ( It said it was mostly in the south in the "bible belt" states. Geez, that's a shame. -- Sue (mom to three girls) I'm Just a Raggedy Ann in a Barbie Doll World... Yeah, I remember looking up some of this stuff in relation to a thread on one of the misc.kids newsgroups not too long ago. If we have the same list, these states allow spanking: Alabama Arizona Arkansas Colorado Florida Georgia Idaho Indiana Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri New Mexico North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Wyoming Here in Georgia, a school district that wants to give officials the option of spanking has to have a written policy on it. So it's possible there are individual districts in Georgia that ban spanking - I know one of the districts close to Atlanta was considering that recently. It's also possible that some districts require parental permission, although I'd be pretty surprised to hear it. (A child can be exempted from spanking if the parent gets a doctor to sign a statement that it would be detrimental to the child's mental or emotional stability.) Clisby One other note - according to this website: http://www.corpun.com/faq.htm Private schools aren't necessarily affected by state school spanking bans - it lists Alaska, California, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New York, Utah, and Washington as states where the bans don't apply to private schools. This website also said Pennsylvania abolished public school spankings in 2002, so maybe we're down to 21 states that allow it Clisby |
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"teapot" wrote in message m... On the train yesterday I was talking to a woman who was keen to tell me that children need to be disciplined from an early age. I did all the neutral 'oh really, well that's not how I want to do it but thanks anyway' stuff but then she told me that she had read about it in a book her pastor had lent her. It said that you should smack but not with the hand as that is for love, but with a paddle. She was reading it because it was the book that the christian school she wanted to send her child to used as a guideline. She said that she wanted to know that she had done the best she could for her child when judgement day came. I said that if I believed in a judgement day I would expect to go straight to hell, do not pass go, if I ever smacked my child, especially with a paddle. She said she would pray for me. It left me so upset, her poor child. She said the governbment are trying to ban it, I said I wasnt surprised and asked how a school could discipline children like that without breaking the law. She said it was ok as they parents had given consent. It is allowed here as well.I am not pro-spanking, but I am not vehemently anti-spanking either I believe there are times when it is useful and justified. A great many people believe that if you spank a child you should use a paddle, or some object other than the hand, so the child doesn't associate the hand with pain. I grew up in the Southern US, where corporal punishment is the norm. Kids get spanked and are expected to be spanked. In the schools, it was also allowed and done with a paddle. I think in the state where I grew up, it is still legal. That being said, I am not for spanking very small kids, or very old ones. There is a certain age range where it can be effective and appropriate. I am NOT for "beating" kids. |
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"New York Jen" wrote In any case, if ANYONE lays a FINGER on my child, they are going to have to respond to one mad as hell momma with flying fists! kinda contradictory, no? If corporal punishment isn't a valid form of discipline or punishment, then it should also be wrong for you to use force or violence in response to an offense against you or your child. |
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When I was a kid in school teachers were alowed to spank children and I was one
that got spanked on more than one occasion with wooden paddle and with the hand of a teacher. I dont know if they still do it but I wouldnt doubt it. I live in Texas. But then again I have never had good luck with teachers. Moni |
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"Sue" wrote in message ... Clisby wrote in message There are states where public school officials can legally spank your child without your permission. Wow Clisby, I am amazed. I didn't think any states in the US could spank so I looked it up. Sure enough, 23 states are allowed to spank kids in public schools. ( It said it was mostly in the south in the "bible belt" states. Geez, that's a shame. -- Sue (mom to three girls) I'm Just a Raggedy Ann in a Barbie Doll World... I once got in trouble in Jr high, some boys did too, same offense. Because they wouldn't paddle girls, the boys got a paddling and I got suspended for 3 days. I was pretty upset,I'd have much rather had the paddling than 3 days lost of school and the bad grades. Basically you bent down, touched your ankles and were given 3 swift NOT very hard paddles, then released. I really don't have a problem with it, of course I did grow up in Georgia. |
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"Clisby" wrote in message ... Sue wrote: Clisby wrote in message There are states where public school officials can legally spank your child without your permission. Wow Clisby, I am amazed. I didn't think any states in the US could spank so I looked it up. Sure enough, 23 states are allowed to spank kids in public schools. ( It said it was mostly in the south in the "bible belt" states. Geez, that's a shame. -- Sue (mom to three girls) I'm Just a Raggedy Ann in a Barbie Doll World... Yeah, I remember looking up some of this stuff in relation to a thread on one of the misc.kids newsgroups not too long ago. If we have the same list, these states allow spanking: Colorado Live here. Florida Lived here. Georgia Grew up here. Louisiana Grandma from here Mississippi Exhusband from here Ohio Born here Pennsylvania Lived here South Carolina Lived here Texas Grandma grew up here. No wonder I amnot so anti-spanking as some of you. |
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"Shannon G" wrote in message news:XtfZb.8253$lQ2.1854@okepread02... "Clisby" wrote in message ... Sue wrote: Clisby wrote in message There are states where public school officials can legally spank your child without your permission. ... How old is this list? Here in AZ, a teacher was just either put on administrative leave or terminated for physically reprimanding a child for speaking Spanish rather than the legislatively mandated English during class. IIRC, she slapped them on the arm. Corporal punishment in the schools I am familiar with,isn't "spanking" of children by teachers. Is not like at home where you can just whack a kid. Usually it is done by someone in administration after the child is sent there from the classroom,offense evaluated and punishment determined. Then it is done with the spanker and an observer, usually a set number of blows with a certain object used expressly for that. Teachers aren't allowed to willy-nilly just spank the kids, its done along the lines of a suspension or expulsion. |
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"Chotii" wrote in message ... "Kari" wrote in message ... New York Jen wrote: I believe that here in the US, if you sign something agreeing to let the school discipline your child, they are allowed to do so as long as they don't leave any visible marks on the child. I may have just fabricated that in my mind from watching too many television shows, but that's what sticks in my mind. There are states where public school officials can legally spank your child without your permission. That's awful! I would be sooooo po'ed if someone touched my child!! In any case, if ANYONE lays a FINGER on my child, they are going to have to respond to one mad as hell momma with flying fists! Better make sure you don't live in one of those states, then - no point in you ending up in jail as well as your child being spanked. Well I'm totally with Jen, I'd be in jail too I guess. How insane is that law?! We are in the 21st century are we not??? Geez Louise. When I was in middle school (6th grade, to be precise), I remember kids being sent to the principal to be swatted with a paddle. It doesn't seem so long ago, but of course it was 1979. That was a while ago. This was in Eastern Washington state. I confess, we do swat. One swat, with a bare hand on a clothed backside. I haven't found that screaming in the child's face works any better (and this is what I have seen, and heard confessed, to be the alternative in a great many cases. And I don't see why it would *be* any "better" for the child. HOWEVER I would get all over anybody else who felt it was appropriate to lay hands on my children, and that includes (and maybe especially) the grandparerents. I do *not* have a problem with an adult who observes a behavior problem either pointing it out to my child, or to me - and I know a lot of parents do - actually I would certainly HOPE that if another adult saw one of my children do something inappropriate, like shove another child, etc., that they would intervene and make sure the conflict was resolved, or make sure I knew about it so I could do so. (Of course, I find my kids obey complete strangers better than they do me, so they're less likely to repeat forbidden behavior around a stranger, or their grandparents, than they are around me.) I have read a lot of books about discipline without the use of corporal punishment. I wish I could say they did anything for my family but give me sullen children who tuned out lectures, who smirked while they repeated the forbidden action, or who simply ignored us entirely, thus provoking us into the scream-at-the-child stage. Shrug. Again, I don't see how this is an improvement over a small pop on the backside, that gets somebody's attention. Call my behavior inappropriate if you must. But do it after you walk a few miles in my shoes. --angela I'm with you. It works, isn't unduly traumatizing. My kids were more upset by shots or getting their ears cleaned than a quick swat on the butt. |
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"Larry McMahan" wrote For real discipline, I have found that time-outs or other revocation of privileges works quite well, and can get the point across quite effectively, thank you. I don't think corporal punishment is any more effective for this kind of thing, and can actually have negative unintended consequences. So much of this is child dependent. I was very antispaking till I had kids then realized, sometimes EVEN WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE RIGHT that its can be the only thing that WORKS. So as a last resort, I will use it, |
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