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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
Dear Dr ___,
I should thank you that you have taken time to read my letter and answer it. However you have not deviated from your reductionist view of disease. This remains the greatest stumbling block in the efforts of modern day doctors in understanding and appreciating the views of holistic therapies. You say that holistic therapies do not show any results. You say that the public is more attracted towards modern medicine and have rejected the holistic sciences. I do not know from where you get this impression. The growing trend is that people are now moving towards holistic therapies, naturopathy, yoga, accupressure and energy medicine in hordes. In fact this movement is forcing the big hospitals to dabble in these therapies to retain the patients and also to maintain their profits. Our tirade against modern medicine is not because we want more people to switch over but to save people from regressing from acute curable illnesses to chronic autoimmune disorders. You have yourself stated, "In early 20th century, infectious disease were rampant due to our inability to stop them. When we reduced the incidence of infectitious disease disease, Vascular disease became common. Now that we are controlling this, neoplastic diseases are becoming more common." You say that homeopaths are impervious to this change. This is not the case because though disease names have changed and the disease has gone to the next stage, the underlying miasm remains the same. As the homeopaths apply their miasmatic approach, neoplastic diseases will go back to their vascular origin and then the original acute infection will surface which, when cured by using homeopathic principles, will rid the person of disease. This is the within-outward motion of disease as discovered and recorded by Hahnemann. You should thus agree that if we can pursuade people to take recourse to holistic therapies at the acute stage then they need not regress into vascular or neoplastic diseases. Just as the common people do not understand the theories behind allopathy, despite being taught from primary school onwards, they also do not generally know about the principles behind homeopathy, ayurveda and energy medicine. They will simply go to the nearest doctor available. The fact that the bills of allopaths are reimbursed by employers and insurance companies without much questioning, and that the government backs allopathic medicine, make people flock to allopaths. The allopaths also promise them a cure by the way of popping a pill without telling them that suppressing the disease will not make it go away but simply morph into other areas. As you say. "Syphilis occurs in 3 stages-primary, secondary and tertiary. Primary stage presents as a chancre which with or without treatment heals in 2 weeks. If untreated, secondary syphilis occurs several months later with diffuse skin eruptions. That goes away after a few weeks with or without treatement. If untreated, Syphilis comes back many years later as tertiary syphilis, which can manifest as Gumma - ulcers, Aortic aneurysms or neurosyphilis." By saying this you have infact corraborated the syphillitic miasm of Hahnemann where he has dealt with exactly this morphing from primary to secondary to tertiary. To you the disease names change but to a homeopath, the underlying syphillitic miasm remains the same, progressing from the primary to secondary to tertiary. On being homeopathically treated the disease will reverse gear from tertiary to secondary and then the primary chancre will show up once again, and when homeopathically treated, the syphillitic miasm itself will disappear. Now do you tell all this to your patients? Syphillis when treated by your methods has a very damaging effect on the body-mind-emotion complex called man. Do you think syphillis only affects the body and organs? No, syphillis effects the mind also. Most cases of insanity and depraved behaviour can be attributed to the mismanaged original chancre. Thus allopathy is directly behind the rising crime graph and rising cases of psychological disorders all over the world. Similarly for gonorrhoea which when mismanaged develops into the miasmatic state called sycosis. These disease states are not only herditory but also spread through sharing injection needles and through the use of serum based medicines and vaccinations and also through blood transfusions. Homeopathic treatment not only cures the body but also the mind and emotions thus leading Hahnemann to declare, "The physicians only duty to heal the sick, to cure as it is termed, with a view to restoring the individual to his original state of being as prior to infestation of the disease state from which he suffers". A tall order for you allopaths to follow. Homeopathy is today the second most popular healing system in the world. If we go by your statement that homeopathy cannot cure illnesses, then this would not be the case. The homeopaths, and also other holistic healers, should be lauded because they tackle patients who come to them after being discarded by the allopaths, to try holistic therapies as a last resort. Had they come during the original acute illnesses then they would have been saved a lot of pain and saved a lot of money too. The holistic therapies continue to be neglected. In India the government allots less than 1% of the health budget to each of these therapies. The funds allotted too are not properly released. The holistic hospitals and colleges lack the most basic amenities, the courses are designed to reflect reductionism by the medical council of India. Thus the students have to complete their courses and then again relearn their subjects to have knowledge about the classical and pure aspect of their sciences. And then they find that their medicine chest has been depleted by deforestation, their curative properties hindered by pesticides, and the patients accustomed to the "instant cure" promises of the allopaths. They also find that the natural disease state is no longer to be found, mixed as they are by the side effects of chemical medicines and deformed by a suppressive mode of treatment. To discern the original disease state from among the mixed symptoms and recovering it from the maize of chemical effects imposed thereupon is itself a stupendous task delaying both recovery and testing the patients patience. Truly allopathy is a curse on mankind and the greatest stumbling block in the way to recovery of a diseased humanity. If the holistic practitioners can battle all this and yet show results it does prove that there is something in these sciences which merit study and encouragement so that the public can get treated in the true sense of the term and not wallow in misery as is their fate now. To know of toxins and their nature you have to study toxicology. While you people depend only on the body and on how to chemicalise it with your harmful medicines, you have totally forgotten that curing disease is not only about killing bacteria and viruses, but is better effected by raising the natural immunity of the body through better hygiene, nutrition, exercise, natural exposure to the elements and spiritual exercises like prayer, ethics and meditation. Therefore I always stress that the doctors should have an all round education comprising modern medicine and also holistic therapies, energy medicine and a spiritual education. This will render them less harmful and may also reform them when they realise how badly their mode of treatment is hurting their patients. It reflects on the incomplete nature of your education when you say that you have not read the classical authors of allopathy like Antoine Beuchamp who declared that bacteria or germs could not exist without a fertile ground. But the homeopaths are taught about this "fertile ground". They know that flies and maggots appear when the garbage rots, and that it does not benefit by killing the flies and maggots without making arrangements to clear the garbage in the first place. Regards, Jagannath. --- In @yahoogroups.com, "____" ________@... wrote: Dear Jagannathji, My reply as follows : Jagannath. I do not find the article objectionable in any way. The writer has tried to understand the homeopathic principles, explained them, and comes to the conclusion that it is unscientific and defies common sense. MS : My purpose was not to find the most derogatory article on Homeopathy but to explain what homeopathy is to most average people. Jagannath. All homeopaths in fact agree to the above, that homeopathy is beyond science and defies the commonly believed ideas of physics, chemistry and medicine. There is no quarrel with this. MS : This is precisely why I find this objectionable and respect your right to hold your views. Jagannath. But what baffles both homeopaths as well as its detractors is that homeopathy works. In a recent symposium on homeopathy held at Kolkata, India, the mainstream doctors, while criticising homeopathy, conceded that it does work. They also expressed concern that homeopathy, if accepted, would result in rewriting the texts of physics and chemistry. The last objection seemed to trouble them the most. They do not obviously want to start from zero once again. MS : I am not one of those physicians. So your just saying would not convince me. Homeopathy has not shown to work any better than placebos in most trials I have seen so far. After these initial failures, Homeopaths have simply backed out of these trials claiming all these studies are biased. Why don't they do their own studies. Problems are manyfold. 1. Consistancy in diagnosis. Same patient can be diagnosed by 2 homeopaths to have different diagnosis 2. No detailed natural history studies are available in Homeopathy and no prognostic features have been studied and documented in Homeopathy literatures. As such it will be difficult to stratify patients even with the same diseases. 3. Therapy has to be standardised Jagannath. Homeopathy is more than just theory. The 290 odd principles of homeopathy and its application, as well as the nature of disease, stands untouched till today simply because no one has come up with anything to merit a change. Even modern day homeopaths like Dr George Vithoulkas marvels at the infallibility of the organon of medicine as elucidated by Hahnemann. MS: Biology is a dymnamic field. Natural History of a disease tends to change with time. Only reason Homeopathy has not found this is because it blindly believe in the past and refuse to do continued studies and that is why you say nothing has changed. Jagannath. This is in stark contrast with allopathy where the principles change each day. This results in a lot of consternation as the patients (the educated ones), come to the conclusion, at the end of each passing day, that what was performed on them the previous day is proved false the next. The frustration can well be imagined. Sometimes we are forced to laugh as different studies bring out different results leaving us puzzled as to which to adopt. MS : Principles don't change but facts do. This has to do with environment. Our environment changes due to things beyond our control. In early 20th century, infectious disease were rampant due to our inability to stop them. When we reduced the incidence of infectitious disease disease, Vascular disease became common. Now that we are controlling this, neoplastic diseases are becoming more common. Nothing has changed in Homeopathy, becuase you have played no part in none of these development. Jagannath. Hahnemann studied man in his complete form of existence, also conceded by the writer of your submitted article, and therefore came out with certain unfallible rules. He rightly came to the conclusion that disease could not exist without a fertile ground which he termed miasm. And he then proceeded to attack the miasm and cure it so that disease would be both relieved and cured as the base on which it stood was destroyed. MS: Hero-worship. Unfortunately for him, he could not convince any scientist of his day. He was able to convince only some gullible public who were legitimately disgusted with medicine of that day. Jagannath. This approach has been advocated by mainstream doctors also, the earliest being Antoine Beuchamp MD, and is being increasing discussed amongst modern day doctors who are dealing with cancer and AIDS. MS: I hear no such discussions in many meeting I attend. Soon I hope we will have a vaccine to address the problem of AIDS. Hepatitis C was a bigger threat 15 years ago and not anymore. Samething will happen to HIV again with no controbutions from Homeopathy. Jagannath. Hahnemann also predicted the dynamics of disease. He could sense that disease proceeded from outward within and the body reacted by throwing it from within outwards. Thus we see that urine and faeces become full of disease matter as the disease products are thrown out. The skin also becomes active by throwing the toxins out in the form of skin ailments. MS: What toxins? How are the created? What are the chemical steps leading to the creation of these toxins? What are the exact chemical composition of the toxins? Do you ever wonder in these days when we can use chromatography to detect minute amount fo chemicals, Homeopaths have never tried to find out exactly what they are talking about? Jagannath. Hahnemann also observed that the disease force gained tremendous encouragement if the external manifestations of disease was tinkered with instead of treating the underlying cause. He also percieved that the external disease states of syphillis or gonorrhoea devastated the body if the external symptoms were tackled allopathically. Mainstream doctors too have poercieved this and thus physicians and psychiatrists test the blood for VD when they come across symptoms that they think could have been caused by a case history of veneral diseases. This thus proves that sexual diseases do not go away entirely when the external lesions are destroyed. MS: Again this is because, Dr. Hahnemann never understood the biology of syphilis. Infectious nature of syphilis was not understood in his days. Syphilis occurs in 3 stages-primary, secondary and tertiary. Primary stage presents as a chancre which with or without treatment heals in 2 weeks. If untreated, secondary syphilis occurs several months later with diffuse skin eruptions. That goes away after a few weeks with or without treatement. If untreated, Syphilis comes back many years later as tertiary syphilis, which can manifest as Gumma - ulcers, Aortic aneurysms or neurosyphilis. Traditional medicine has even located the exact areas of brain which are damaged in Neurosyphilis. We have specific pupilary signs to detect this. None of this is recorded in Homeopathy and hence not believed in Homeopathy. Reason again is simple. Homeopaths tend to regurgitate what was told to them from the past like the non-infectious syphilis that Dr. hahnemann handed to them. They are not furthering the knowledge and held stagnant. Jagannath. Hahneman's concept of the vital force is very similar to the prana shakti of the ayurveds and the chi or ki of chinese medicine. When the vital force is very strong allopathy can temporarily stave off the disease. But this action weakens the vital force as it goes against its natural flow. Repeated such attempts weakens the patient and he becomes more and more sick and his internal organs give up one by one leading to his ultimate death. MS: This is where we part company. When our knowledge of something is incomplete, you want to go into a LaLa land and feel like you have full understanding. If it makes you happy, keep it. My question to you is if these vital forces are what keeps us healthy and not the mundane physiology of human body, wouldn't it be better if we leave all the healing to religious leaders like Sri Mahesh Yogi who are better trained than you are in art of Meditation and others. Jagannath. It always amazes me when reductionist doctors who feel that all organs and parts of the body function independantly of each other report at the end that the patient has died of "multiple organ failure". MS : Even a simple physiology book will show how interdependent all organ systems are. In ICU to maintain life, doctors are trained to maintain circulation, Blood pressure, Respirations and Renal functions all at the same time. Homeopathy cannot even pretend to take care really sick patients in ICU, due to its unscientific nature. If you noticed in the news, conjoint twins whose bodies were joined at the abdomen and with a common pelvis and they shared a kidney and a liver while each controlled one leg. They were separated by whom you call reductionist doctors. Do you think they have no idea of various organ systems? Jagannath. As the writer points out, there is much to learn from homeopathy. I too advocate that instead of reading homeopathic texts cursorily with a motive to malign them, the physicians would do well to study them sincerely, apply them in practice and test the results. This has to be done by discarding the reductionist principles they hold in their mind. Homoeopathy acts as per homeopathic principles and not by allopathic tinkering. MS: It is not for us to reform Homeopathy. It is your responsibility. My recommendations are these. Stop hero-worshipping. Ask critical questions. Use socratic methods of inquiry. Study diseases in detail. Develop natural history of diseases. And best of all do controlled trials to verify what you are doing is helping the patients. Jagannath. The same goes for the other holistic therapies also. There are many mainstream practitioners who have turned to holistic therapies in case of their own ailments, or for treating their family members and achieved results. In my own family too a distant grandmother was treated successfully of her paralysis by homeopathy despite being the mother of four doctors, one of whom heads the most popular govt medical college of Kolkata. This head too was relieved of her gyneacological problems by the eminent homeopath Dr Bholanath Chakroborty, attached to the President of India at that time. MS: I have seen many patients with Hemiplegia who got minimal physical therapy and did well with no significant residual paralysis without any other intervention. If one such patient went to you, you can also take credit for their well-being. If a Homeopath were to take a series of unselected patients with hemiplegia and make substantial number of them fully functional, it will be celebrated everywhere. We wouldn't even need stem cell research anymore. Jagannath. If the doctors can turn to holistic therapies while treating themselves and their own kith and kin, why do they not extend the same facilities to their patients, who go to them with great hope and pay them substantial amounts as fees and also look upon them as Gods? MS: I have never done that. May be you need turn them over to the their medical society. Jagannath. I again reiterate that the doctors duty is to heal the patients and not advocate any particular mode of treatment. He should be well versed with all therapies and apply them as the situation demands. Experimentations can continue on the hapless rats and monkeys while the human beings are treated with fool proof methods of treatment. MS : Fool-proof method without experimentation is an oxymoron. Jagannath. You will also notice that I have struck out the "this article is purely for educational purposes....the reader should consult a (allopathic) physician..." introduced by you from the end as I believe doctors should do what is right to avoid legal suits and not escape by such declarations. They have a long way to go before they can win back the trust of their patients. Any delay will permanently cut them off from the mainstream. They should therefore initiate reforms without any further ado. MS : It is the reforms that were instituted following a report by a non- physician called Flexner (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...rticlekey=8795) that led to the demise of homeopathy in early 1900s in US. So you are the one who need to be afraid of reforms not those whose follow the principles of science and trust in their research. MS |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
Hi, I'm Tamra and I have just put together a wellness website featuring
body, mind and spirit type articles that have been published in various health magazines and newspapers. Please take a look at: www.tamramercieca.com |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
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snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? exhale moo |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
"Happy Dog" wrote in message m... wrote in message snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? exhale moo moo ron http://www.whale.to/vaccines/god.html |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
wrote in message oups.com... Hi, I'm Tamra and I have just put together a wellness website featuring body, mind and spirit type articles that have been published in various health magazines and newspapers. Please take a look at: www.tamramercieca.com That's what I like about this holistic approach to medicine. It's like the holistic approach to the wallet. |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
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Happy Dog wrote: wrote in message snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? exhale Well, there have been controlled trials that appeared to show some effect from homeopathic medications, but you'd expect that in one case out of 20 just from random chance. Replication, now, that'd be far more impressive. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
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m... In article , Happy Dog wrote: wrote in message snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? exhale Well, there have been controlled trials that appeared to show some effect from homeopathic medications, but you'd expect that in one case out of 20 just from random chance. Replication, now, that'd be far more impressive. I meant the anecdotal claims that there are obvious and dramatic effects. Resplendent first efforts that become the evanescence of hope when follow-up performances are requested. One hit wonders, sort of. m |
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Happy Dog wrote: "David Wright" wrote in message om... In article , Happy Dog wrote: wrote in message snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? exhale Well, there have been controlled trials that appeared to show some effect from homeopathic medications, but you'd expect that in one case out of 20 just from random chance. Replication, now, that'd be far more impressive. I meant the anecdotal claims that there are obvious and dramatic effects. Resplendent first efforts that become the evanescence of hope when follow-up performances are requested. One hit wonders, sort of. That's for sure. As a general rule, the better the controls on homeopathic remedies in clinical trials, the more poorly the remedies perform. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
"Happy Dog" wrote in message m... wrote in message snip sermon Homeopathy is a religion. To date, nobody has been able to support claims that homeopathic remedies have obvious effects, of any kind, with a simple controlled demonstration. Why is that? The claims are false because homeopathy does not work. Basically, all it does it give the body more time to heal. Before medicine could do anything, back in the 1800s and before, this was really a good thing, because the old treatments, like blood-letting did more harm than good. So, in the old days, homeopathy was actually a good thing. In Philadelphia, there was a medical school named after Hahnemann, called Hahnemann Medical College. Guess what they type of medicine they taught? Homeopathy. In the 1950s or so, they switched to teaching allopathy. Why? Allopathy works and homeopathy doesn't. The medical school is now part of Drexel University in Philadelphia. Jeff exhale moo |
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Homeopathy vs allopathy - Part 2.
"Jeff" wrote in message k.net... The claims are false because homeopathy does not work. Basically, all it does it give the body more time to heal. Before medicine could do anything, back in the 1800s and before, this was really a good thing, because the old treatments, like blood-letting did more harm than good. So, in the old days, homeopathy was actually a good thing. In Philadelphia, there was a medical school named after Hahnemann, called Hahnemann Medical College. Guess what they type of medicine they taught? Homeopathy. In the 1950s or so, they switched to teaching allopathy. Why? Allopathy works and homeopathy doesn't. The medical school is now part of Drexel University in Philadelphia. ********, as usual, that wasn't because it was more effective, that was purely due to medical politics--you can read about it in: Divided Legacy: The Conflict Between Homeopathy and the American Medical Association by Harris L. Coulter "Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920's. In fact, the situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though knowing them to be intrinsically harmful And precisely the same arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the risks."-Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3) |
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