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Old July 10th 04, 09:03 PM
deserted_dad
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Default How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross
injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being
trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just
how bad it is for fathers?

I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became
ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the
media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook,
line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a
draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of
men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids.

What a fool I was.

I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad"
When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did
what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a
really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas
morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for
a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world.

She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had
grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of
finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American
Dream, right?

She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one
because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe
vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income
since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time
because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that
may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I
truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by
the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked
on a light bulb in her head.

It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry
at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she
had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell
her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had
"made" her dependant on me.

The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday
when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest
son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was
constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get
away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was
****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to
then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that
again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so
I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that
point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted
her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the
police. So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own
house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after,
but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on
the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over
this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I
snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying
her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not
making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I
made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out
the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support
payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had
already determined that she could get by financially just fine with
the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck.

It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me
a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded.
I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily
paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I
bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing"
thinking that would somehow help.

Did I mention what I fool I was?

For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court
hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the
most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and
every male high school student should be required to attend one of
these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's
really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one,
the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and
all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given
less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever
order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off
computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with
the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly
dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The
judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then
proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his
old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me
that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months
facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he
was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so
many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to
detail them all.

My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same
rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got.

Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years
ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my
uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the
"American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his
ex-wife's laundry room. Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I
feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a
total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through
by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was
having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who
was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His
old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked
out of the marriage with the kids in tow.

Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until
it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't.

---
The Deserted Dad
  #2  
Old July 10th 04, 09:27 PM
Bob
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Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?

deserted_dad wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross
injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being
trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just
how bad it is for fathers?


It's gotten a lot worse in the past couple of decades, but was bad
enough before that.


I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became
ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the
media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook,
line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a
draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of
men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids.

What a fool I was.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad"
When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did
what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a
really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas
morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for
a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world.

She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had
grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of
finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American
Dream, right?

She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one
because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe
vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income
since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time
because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that
may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I
truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by
the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked
on a light bulb in her head.

It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry
at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she
had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell
her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had
"made" her dependant on me.

The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday
when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest
son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was
constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get
away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was
****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to
then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that
again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so
I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that
point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted
her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the
police.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own
house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after,
but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on
the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over
this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I
snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying
her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not
making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I
made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out
the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support
payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had
already determined that she could get by financially just fine with
the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me
a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded.
I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily
paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I
bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing"
thinking that would somehow help.

Did I mention what I fool I was?



http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court
hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the
most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and
every male high school student should be required to attend one of
these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's
really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one,
the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and
all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given
less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever
order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off
computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with
the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly
dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The
judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then
proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his
old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me
that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months
facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he
was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so
many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to
detail them all.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same
rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years
ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my
uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the
"American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his
ex-wife's laundry room.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I
feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a
total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through
by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was
having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who
was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His
old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked
out of the marriage with the kids in tow.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until
it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't.
The Deserted Dad


Here's an answer that cures all those problems, and with the law the way
it is today, it's the only answer that is effective. The Laci Peterson
treatment in some form or other. Dump the carcass in the bay and she
won't ever collect "child support." Like you say the only other option
is suicide.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]


  #3  
Old July 10th 04, 09:27 PM
Bob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?

deserted_dad wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross
injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being
trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just
how bad it is for fathers?


It's gotten a lot worse in the past couple of decades, but was bad
enough before that.


I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became
ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the
media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook,
line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a
draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of
men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids.

What a fool I was.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad"
When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did
what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a
really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas
morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for
a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world.

She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had
grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of
finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American
Dream, right?

She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one
because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe
vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income
since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time
because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that
may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I
truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by
the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked
on a light bulb in her head.

It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry
at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she
had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell
her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had
"made" her dependant on me.

The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday
when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest
son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was
constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get
away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was
****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to
then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that
again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so
I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that
point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted
her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the
police.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own
house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after,
but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on
the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over
this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I
snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying
her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not
making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I
made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out
the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support
payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had
already determined that she could get by financially just fine with
the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me
a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded.
I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily
paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I
bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing"
thinking that would somehow help.

Did I mention what I fool I was?



http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court
hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the
most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and
every male high school student should be required to attend one of
these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's
really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one,
the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and
all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given
less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever
order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off
computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with
the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly
dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The
judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then
proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his
old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me
that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months
facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he
was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so
many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to
detail them all.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same
rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years
ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my
uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the
"American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his
ex-wife's laundry room.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I
feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a
total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through
by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was
having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who
was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His
old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked
out of the marriage with the kids in tow.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until
it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't.
The Deserted Dad


Here's an answer that cures all those problems, and with the law the way
it is today, it's the only answer that is effective. The Laci Peterson
treatment in some form or other. Dump the carcass in the bay and she
won't ever collect "child support." Like you say the only other option
is suicide.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]


  #4  
Old July 10th 04, 09:27 PM
Bob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?

deserted_dad wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross
injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being
trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just
how bad it is for fathers?


It's gotten a lot worse in the past couple of decades, but was bad
enough before that.


I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became
ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the
media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook,
line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a
draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of
men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids.

What a fool I was.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad"
When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did
what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a
really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas
morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for
a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world.

She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had
grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of
finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American
Dream, right?

She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one
because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe
vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income
since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time
because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that
may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I
truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by
the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked
on a light bulb in her head.

It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry
at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she
had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell
her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had
"made" her dependant on me.

The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday
when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest
son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was
constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get
away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was
****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to
then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that
again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so
I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that
point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted
her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the
police.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own
house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after,
but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on
the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over
this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I
snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying
her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not
making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I
made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out
the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support
payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had
already determined that she could get by financially just fine with
the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me
a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded.
I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily
paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I
bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing"
thinking that would somehow help.

Did I mention what I fool I was?



http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp


For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court
hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the
most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and
every male high school student should be required to attend one of
these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's
really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one,
the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and
all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given
less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever
order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off
computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with
the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly
dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The
judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then
proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his
old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me
that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months
facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he
was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so
many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to
detail them all.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same
rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years
ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my
uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the
"American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his
ex-wife's laundry room.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I
feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a
total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through
by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was
having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who
was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His
old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked
out of the marriage with the kids in tow.


http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp



Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until
it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't.
The Deserted Dad


Here's an answer that cures all those problems, and with the law the way
it is today, it's the only answer that is effective. The Laci Peterson
treatment in some form or other. Dump the carcass in the bay and she
won't ever collect "child support." Like you say the only other option
is suicide.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]


  #5  
Old July 10th 04, 09:43 PM
WiseSarah
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Well, I'll tell you that I'm sort of waiting for the hammer to fall. You
can see some of my story in a previous thread. The sad thing is that I'm
sure if it was up to my ex (which I don't think that it is anymore) she
wouldn't do it mainly because I think she just wants to keep me away from
my son. I still don't even know if he's read any of the notes which I sent
him through email; I think she wants to raise him successfully or not
without any influence (good or bad) that my entering his life may bring.

I originally came here to find some answers, comments, and just see what I
was looking at. And for the most part I don't like any of it at all. But
then again, the issue is a very complex issue that's hard to use the
square peg-round hole system that's currently in place. For every
situation where the current system may shine (abused mom and kids, and
scumbag that'll never pay support and buys sportscars to pick-up pretty
young things) there's probably hundreds of NCPS trampled to death,
literally in some cases. But when this guy is lumped in with the guy in
the situation you explained (comp programmer now making burger jockey
money) the numbers they use don't lie to them - so that's what they use
and if you can't pay it, get used to spending time in jail.

(On a slight tangent, I did notice some of the documents regarding where
they get their numbers - do you know that there is a percentage of their
numbers which makes an allowance for tobacco and alcohol - for CHILD
SUPPORT?!?)

I hate to sound like Bob, but sometimes you have to wonder what happened
to the "institution" of marriage. Is it something that's suddenly become
irrelevant in our time and age? All the stats that are brought out to show
what happens when the father isn't there - well now that we have the
generation that grew up with that, what are we going to have to look
forward to with their progeny?


  #6  
Old July 10th 04, 09:43 PM
WiseSarah
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Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the

Well, I'll tell you that I'm sort of waiting for the hammer to fall. You
can see some of my story in a previous thread. The sad thing is that I'm
sure if it was up to my ex (which I don't think that it is anymore) she
wouldn't do it mainly because I think she just wants to keep me away from
my son. I still don't even know if he's read any of the notes which I sent
him through email; I think she wants to raise him successfully or not
without any influence (good or bad) that my entering his life may bring.

I originally came here to find some answers, comments, and just see what I
was looking at. And for the most part I don't like any of it at all. But
then again, the issue is a very complex issue that's hard to use the
square peg-round hole system that's currently in place. For every
situation where the current system may shine (abused mom and kids, and
scumbag that'll never pay support and buys sportscars to pick-up pretty
young things) there's probably hundreds of NCPS trampled to death,
literally in some cases. But when this guy is lumped in with the guy in
the situation you explained (comp programmer now making burger jockey
money) the numbers they use don't lie to them - so that's what they use
and if you can't pay it, get used to spending time in jail.

(On a slight tangent, I did notice some of the documents regarding where
they get their numbers - do you know that there is a percentage of their
numbers which makes an allowance for tobacco and alcohol - for CHILD
SUPPORT?!?)

I hate to sound like Bob, but sometimes you have to wonder what happened
to the "institution" of marriage. Is it something that's suddenly become
irrelevant in our time and age? All the stats that are brought out to show
what happens when the father isn't there - well now that we have the
generation that grew up with that, what are we going to have to look
forward to with their progeny?


  #7  
Old July 10th 04, 09:43 PM
WiseSarah
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Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the

Well, I'll tell you that I'm sort of waiting for the hammer to fall. You
can see some of my story in a previous thread. The sad thing is that I'm
sure if it was up to my ex (which I don't think that it is anymore) she
wouldn't do it mainly because I think she just wants to keep me away from
my son. I still don't even know if he's read any of the notes which I sent
him through email; I think she wants to raise him successfully or not
without any influence (good or bad) that my entering his life may bring.

I originally came here to find some answers, comments, and just see what I
was looking at. And for the most part I don't like any of it at all. But
then again, the issue is a very complex issue that's hard to use the
square peg-round hole system that's currently in place. For every
situation where the current system may shine (abused mom and kids, and
scumbag that'll never pay support and buys sportscars to pick-up pretty
young things) there's probably hundreds of NCPS trampled to death,
literally in some cases. But when this guy is lumped in with the guy in
the situation you explained (comp programmer now making burger jockey
money) the numbers they use don't lie to them - so that's what they use
and if you can't pay it, get used to spending time in jail.

(On a slight tangent, I did notice some of the documents regarding where
they get their numbers - do you know that there is a percentage of their
numbers which makes an allowance for tobacco and alcohol - for CHILD
SUPPORT?!?)

I hate to sound like Bob, but sometimes you have to wonder what happened
to the "institution" of marriage. Is it something that's suddenly become
irrelevant in our time and age? All the stats that are brought out to show
what happens when the father isn't there - well now that we have the
generation that grew up with that, what are we going to have to look
forward to with their progeny?


  #8  
Old July 11th 04, 02:01 AM
Lecher9000
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Default How many had prior knowledge of the

My "mistake" was believing that if I "did the right thing", nothing horrible
would happen to me. I never cheated on my wife, paid her way for everything for
13 years, then she bailed out on me, with my son, because she " never loved
me". And she took me for everything she could get.
I knew about child support payments, but they have increased a lot in the
last few years. I knew about prenups, but thought it would not be "the right
thing" to do to get one.

I am one of those computer programmers who now is "flipping burgers", since
my job went to India.

It was pretty funny when I notified the sluts at Domestic Relations that I
was unemployed. They sent me a letter saying I "MUST" find a new job within 2
weeks. Ha. What a crock. Who the hell do they think they are ?

  #9  
Old July 11th 04, 02:01 AM
Lecher9000
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Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the

My "mistake" was believing that if I "did the right thing", nothing horrible
would happen to me. I never cheated on my wife, paid her way for everything for
13 years, then she bailed out on me, with my son, because she " never loved
me". And she took me for everything she could get.
I knew about child support payments, but they have increased a lot in the
last few years. I knew about prenups, but thought it would not be "the right
thing" to do to get one.

I am one of those computer programmers who now is "flipping burgers", since
my job went to India.

It was pretty funny when I notified the sluts at Domestic Relations that I
was unemployed. They sent me a letter saying I "MUST" find a new job within 2
weeks. Ha. What a crock. Who the hell do they think they are ?

  #10  
Old July 11th 04, 02:01 AM
Lecher9000
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How many had prior knowledge of the

My "mistake" was believing that if I "did the right thing", nothing horrible
would happen to me. I never cheated on my wife, paid her way for everything for
13 years, then she bailed out on me, with my son, because she " never loved
me". And she took me for everything she could get.
I knew about child support payments, but they have increased a lot in the
last few years. I knew about prenups, but thought it would not be "the right
thing" to do to get one.

I am one of those computer programmers who now is "flipping burgers", since
my job went to India.

It was pretty funny when I notified the sluts at Domestic Relations that I
was unemployed. They sent me a letter saying I "MUST" find a new job within 2
weeks. Ha. What a crock. Who the hell do they think they are ?

 




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