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Old September 5th 06, 12:27 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/...0&#entry229925

Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald of the Department of Justice
working with the Chicago Crime Commission will submit the first part of
their preliminary report on September 8, 2006. This first part of their
report will be titled "JUDICIAL CORRUPTION IN FAMILY COURTS" You heard
it right. After any initial action taken by the Feds., the Chicago
Crime Commission will follow up and will provide a 1-800 number to call
in complaints apart from the J.I.B. Please feel free to call or write
any complaints to the http://www.chicagocrimecommission.org/index.html
Now is a good time.....

A press conference and further press releases are planned. They are
very hopeful of Attorneys coming forward to support the hundreds of
victims that have already been interviewed. Let us hope they won't stop
in Chicago, we need to do something to make sure they don't. Start an
effort to inform the Special Counsel about the abuses in family law
happening in your community today.

Chicago Crime Commission
79 W. Monroe, Suite 80
Chicago, IL 60603 USA PHONE: (312) 372-0101
FAX: (312) 372-6286 Patrick J. Fitzgerald

Special Counsel DOJ Chicago Office:
Dirksen Federal Building
219 South Dearborn Street
Fifth Floor
Chicago, Illinois 60604

Washington Office:
Bond Federal Building
1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
Washington D.C. 20530
Please address all correspondence to the Washington Office

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Old September 5th 06, 01:02 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/...0&#entry229925

Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald of the Department of Justice
working with the Chicago Crime Commission will submit the first part of
their preliminary report on September 8, 2006. This first part of their
report will be titled "JUDICIAL CORRUPTION IN FAMILY COURTS" You heard
it right. After any initial action taken by the Feds., the Chicago
Crime Commission will follow up and will provide a 1-800 number to call
in complaints apart from the J.I.B. Please feel free to call or write
any complaints to the http://www.chicagocrimecommission.org/index.html
Now is a good time.....

A press conference and further press releases are planned. They are
very hopeful of Attorneys coming forward to support the hundreds of
victims that have already been interviewed. Let us hope they won't stop
in Chicago, we need to do something to make sure they don't. Start an
effort to inform the Special Counsel about the abuses in family law
happening in your community today.

Chicago Crime Commission
79 W. Monroe, Suite 80
Chicago, IL 60603 USA PHONE: (312) 372-0101
FAX: (312) 372-6286 Patrick J. Fitzgerald

Special Counsel DOJ Chicago Office:
Dirksen Federal Building
219 South Dearborn Street
Fifth Floor
Chicago, Illinois 60604

Washington Office:
Bond Federal Building
1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
Washington D.C. 20530
Please address all correspondence to the Washington Office


Prediction: They'll be flooded with calls from yahoos and crackpots just
like you, Greg, and of course with abusive parents in deep denial.

You'll claim there is a HUGE corruption going on without waiting for the
results of the investigation, as you ****ants always do.

But you are worth a chuckle. So, chuckle,
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to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
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Old September 6th 06, 01:21 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default DOJ and Chicago Crime Commission report on JUDICIAL CORRUPTION IN FAMILY COURTS

Kane wrote
Prediction: They'll be flooded with calls from yahoos and crackpots just
like you, Greg, and of course with abusive parents in deep denial.

You'll claim there is a HUGE corruption going on without waiting for the
results of the investigation, as you ****ants always do.

But you are worth a chuckle. So, chuckle,


Tell it to US Judge Pallmeyer.
Maybe she'll retract her DUPUY ruling that Illinois Child Protection is
unconstitutional.

chuckle

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Old September 6th 06, 05:26 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Prediction: They'll be flooded with calls from yahoos and crackpots just
like you, Greg, and of course with abusive parents in deep denial.

You'll claim there is a HUGE corruption going on without waiting for the
results of the investigation, as you ****ants always do.

But you are worth a chuckle. So, chuckle,


Tell it to US Judge Pallmeyer.
Maybe she'll retract her DUPUY ruling that Illinois Child Protection is
unconstitutional.

chuckle



chuckle That's not what Judge Pallmeyer ruled, Greg.

The judge ruled on a single issue being unconstitutional and in fact did
NOT fault CPS in general except for that one area. But then that's what
judicial rulings are about.

Judges, and other relatively honest people, unlike you, tend to NOT try
to generalize a single failing in one area to be totally inclusive
making the subject out to be villains. AS YOU DO.

"The court's initial decision on March 30, 2001 found several aspects of
the DCFS investigative processes unconstitutional."

That would be their investigative process, not DCFS itself, as you claim.

Why, Greg, would you lie like that? Most of us here are very familiar
with the Pallmeyer ruling. You cite it yet you don't understand it, as
usual.

Here, I'll educate you again, sigh:

"Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer held that DCFS guilt determinations were
based on a "practically nominal" standard of "credible evidence" that
did not require investigators to gather evidence that might prove a
child care professional was innocent of abuse or neglect allegations
against him or her."

The above is the issue, Greg, not DCFS in general. YOU, of course must
maintain your fiction "pretending to claim" the this agency in Illinois
is totally corrupt and unconstitutional on its very existence.

Why would you lie like that, other than you are stupid dip**** with
delusions of grandeur and a belief that YOU are important in some way
you are not?

All the ruling did was make it possible for (and I've said repeatedly
that I support citizens RIGHTS, so your chuckle is rather stupid) for an
accused person to appeal the registry entry. AND stupid, they can lose
that appeal based on evidence and the judges ruling in their specific case.

All Pallmeyer has done is reiterate the Constitution. It's nice, but
it's not a blanket indictment of ALL OF ILLINOIS DCFS.

But you have to have your delusions.

My bet is you have not even read the Pallmeyer decision, Greg. Here,
enlighten yourself:

http://www.ilnd.uscourts.gov/JUDGE/P...OPIN/dupuy.pdf

Note: Among things you tend to overlook when you get all woodie, boy:

"Plaintiffs’ motion for preliminary injunction is therefore granted in
part and denied in part."

Do you understand that statement by the judge?

It means that not even the claims by the "litigant" plaintiff were
agreed with in full.

And for a judge that YOU claim held DCFS to be "unconstitutional" (you
silly exaggerating twit) she certainly let them off lightly:

"The court will not, however, dictate a remedy or draft revisions to the
regulatory structure. Instead, it directs the parties themselves to
develop a workable solution , and present it to the court, within 60 days."

It has been noted also that DCFS had already instituted one of the
solutions some two years previously and was being judged by Pallmeyer on
actions corrected over two years ago. You really should read more, Greg.

"3. Effective March 1, 1996, DCFS promulgated regulations which directed
ALJs to apply a “preponderance of the evidence” standard in
administrative hearing recommendations. The new regulations direct the
Director of DCFS to apply this same “preponderance of the evidence”
standard when reviewing the ALJ’s recommended decision.
(ILL. ADMIN. CODE tit . 89, §§ 336.120(h), 336.150(a).)"

This memorandum and order (not a judicial "finding" at all) was dated
2001, and the regulations cited above, 1996. The corrections on this
issue had already been instituted.

You babble a lot, study not at all.

In fact, if I were the mean sort you are, I'd point out that if you read
the entire document carefully you'll find clearly where a crony of yours
has lied, or spread his ignorant kant in this newsgroup. It's about what
child abuse investigators are, and their duties, stupid. Learn to think
for yourself and gather your OWN information not let someone else
interpret for you.

I keep giving you the chance, and you keep running back to spin artists
and those with sick agendas to tell you what to think, while patting
your little pointy head and reassuring you that you are "thinking for
yourself."

Why is that, I wonder.

In the judges order, Greg, do you know what else she said?

She requires that DCFS do BETTER INVESTIGATION because she recognizes
the child's rights to be free of harm. She mentions that the real perps
may escape being uncovered and the children exposed to them unsafely.

A constant balancing act for CPS, Greg.

Do you know what that takes, Greg?

More better trained investigators.

Do you know what THAT takes, Greg?

Yet another judge that agrees with me.

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Old September 6th 06, 08:02 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default DOJ and Chicago Crime Commission report on JUDICIAL CORRUPTION IN FAMILY COURTS

Kane wrote
"Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer held that DCFS guilt determinations were
based on a "practically nominal" standard of "credible evidence" that
did not require investigators to gather evidence that might prove a
child care professional was innocent of abuse or neglect allegations
against him or her."



You say this is just one issue.
Is there any other issue which doesn't hinge on this issue?
A shabby, unjust finding would be at the core of everything else!

Kane, this is at the very CENTER of what the agency does!
That is why she put a Consent Decree on them, only
to find they already had one from ten years prior,
that they never satisfied.

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Old September 6th 06, 10:54 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
"Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer held that DCFS guilt determinations were
based on a "practically nominal" standard of "credible evidence" that
did not require investigators to gather evidence that might prove a
child care professional was innocent of abuse or neglect allegations
against him or her."



You say this is just one issue.
Is there any other issue which doesn't hinge on this issue?


Good boy, Greg! Good boy!

You may one day learn to consistently debate honestly. You made a solid
point there. Celebrate it. It's not exactly to the point YOU tried to
make that I responded to but it's SOOOO much better than you usually do.

Yes, you are right, it IS at the core, but it does NOT make the other
actions of CPS unconstitutional by default. 0:-

Your claims was she declared DCFS "unconstitutional." Now if you want to
CORRECT your statement, feel free. It would allow us to debate with a
much clearer subject and exchange.

A shabby, unjust finding would be at the core of everything else!


No, actually it would not. Because YOU generalized to ALL DCFS, Greg.
Most cases would not be unconsitutional. Nor shabby.

You did not see a flurry of them, you saw ONE.

Your are right for that ONE case. And any others you can come up with.

Kane, this is at the very CENTER of what the agency does!
That is why she put a Consent Decree on them, only
to find they already had one from ten years prior,
that they never satisfied.


What was the consent decree, and if it pertained, then there was this
ONE case that did not meet the criteria.

And you ARE aware this was about a day care provider, right?

Did you actually read it?

Judge Pallmeyer took the liberty that judges have, to babble on, if
you'll notice. I appreciate that she did indeed babble about the actual
operations as they are supposed to be performed.

I doubt Doug would care to discuss where these differ from his long time
misleading bull**** about what "workers" do, but hey, we are accustomed
to the spin master.

I appreciate that she made the point, here and there, that more training
and staff are needed to do investigations properly.

Do YOU appreciate that?

Do you honestly believe that the good judge said CPS investigators are
evil and with evil intent, as YOU claim so often, or that possibly they
were not resourced adequately to do their jobs up to the standards she
wishes set?

Think about it.

It is, Greg, about money, staffing, the takes money, training, that
takes money, experience that takes money to hire.

Learn to leave with reality. Stop screaming about a crippled CPS being
crippled. We all KNOW that, Greg. From every study done on and of CPS.

The question is, can you whip a broken legged horse into winning a race?

You, your cronies, and a few assholes with power think so, so they keep
doing it, all the while screaming the CPS isn't doing it's job and it's
got to be evil workers, foster parents, supervisors, and "Kevin
Concannon," etc.

You and they share the same crockery.

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Old September 8th 06, 02:30 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane wrote
Because YOU generalized to ALL DCFS,


The Judge sure did!

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Old September 8th 06, 06:51 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Because YOU generalized to ALL DCFS,


The Judge sure did!


Citation




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to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
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Old September 8th 06, 09:48 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane wrote
Citation


US Dupuy v Illinois DCYF

Got Pacer?

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Old September 8th 06, 11:10 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Citation


US Dupuy v Illinois DCYF


Provide either a complete quote (it's not copyrighted) or a link to a
site that is carrying the finding.


Got Pacer?


I've never worked with Trotters for racing, thanks for asking. Mostly
Thoroughbreds or Quarter Horses in their kinds of racing.

A lot of stadium jumping (Olympic training) cross country, and cutting
horses.

Now what's your point, except to dodge providing what we all know,
"Citation" means. Link or quote or both, dummy.

The behavior of a narcissist does not become you, ****ant.

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