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"Pip" wrote in message ... "carl jones" wrote in message ... Thanks for your post, Todd. You have a good point. But what do you mean by "closing birth canals?" Carl Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what closing the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her back or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it is able to. A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive to a more *roomier* birth for the baby. (How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you in about 10 weeks when I give birth ) Pip, You did GREAT. Don't forget - it's UP TO 30%. Some women don't have much sacroiliac motion - some women have massive amounts. Then again, even a little bit of sacroiliac motion might mean the difference between non-interventive vaginal delivery and operative vaginal delivery (forceps/vacuum) - or the difference between vaginal delivery and abdominal delivery. I am SO pleased with your explanation to Carl. Thanks! Todd PS I'll be thinking of you when you deliver. Wow, 10 weeks is not that far off! |
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carl jones wrote: * *"Hillary Israeli" wrote in message ... * In , * carl jones wrote: * * *! * * That makes no sense. Physicians do not date pregnancies from the date of * conception. Physicians date pregnancies using the last menstrual period * (LMP) method. Conception is a peri-ovulatory act. Therefore, six weeks * post-conception, if a physician makes a diagnosis of pregnancy, he or she * would pronounce the woman to be EIGHT weeks pregnant * *Maybe you have a point g :Perhaps this physician was dating from *conception to go along with the mother's original claim. Perhaps he wasn't. *I am only relating the story the way it was told to me And I have no reason *to believe the story teller is lying. The simple inconsistency I pointed out already is enough to make me think that someone is lying. -- Hillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx |
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carl jones wrote:
Thousands of parents experience conception intuitions. If you can make this statement, wouldn't you have enough stories to choose from? |
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Gee {blush} thanks
(I can feel the power ) and yes UP TO 30% "Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message ink.net... "Pip" wrote in message ... "carl jones" wrote in message ... Thanks for your post, Todd. You have a good point. But what do you mean by "closing birth canals?" Carl Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what closing the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her back or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it is able to. A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive to a more *roomier* birth for the baby. (How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you in about 10 weeks when I give birth ) Pip, You did GREAT. Don't forget - it's UP TO 30%. Some women don't have much sacroiliac motion - some women have massive amounts. Then again, even a little bit of sacroiliac motion might mean the difference between non-interventive vaginal delivery and operative vaginal delivery (forceps/vacuum) - or the difference between vaginal delivery and abdominal delivery. I am SO pleased with your explanation to Carl. Thanks! Todd PS I'll be thinking of you when you deliver. Wow, 10 weeks is not that far off! |
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"Pip" wrote in message ... Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what closing the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her back or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it is able to. 28 % the pelvis is larger by 28% in the squatting position. A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive to a more *roomier* birth for the baby. Yes. That is true. Our OB insisted that Jan (my wife) get into a squatting position. I wanted her to lie back because in the squatting position birth was too fast. But that is Jan. For most women, I recommend side-lying or squatting. So that's what all those long posts about closing the birth canal are all about g Todd really is waging a campaign. He brings it up every chance he gets. (How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you in about 10 weeks when I give birth ) Bright wishes for a happy birth. Carl |
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Childbirth educator Carl Jones, CCE asked:
snip [W]hat do you mean by "closing birth canals?" Carl, The familiar phrase "squatting opens" is better stated "semisitting closes" - or "dorsal closes"... Thank you for this *lengthy* explanation with all the quotes and statistics I will read it at leisure tonight and probably get back to you. Carl |
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OBs are slicing vaginas/abdomens en masse (episiotomy/c-section) - surgically/fraudulently inferring they are doing/have done everything possible to open the birth canal - even as they close the birth canal up to 30%. No - allowing birth canals to open maximally won't prevent all episiotomies and c-sections but that is no reason for OBs and CNMwives to keep closing birth canals up to 30%. Your post is well-researched and full of useful information. The cesarean rate in this country is about 25% (correct me if the rate is different) and the episiotomy rate is nearly 100% with some OBs. I was always horrified by this. Your campaign on keeping the birth outlet open -- for lack of a better expression -- is, I'm sure, helping women to give birth without these maniac surgeries. As you said, allowing birth canals to open won't prevent all episiotomies (or tearing) and c-sections but it will go a long way toward increasing these unecessary and ritual surgeries. Thanks for your insight, Carl |
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"Hillary Israeli" wrote in message ... *Maybe you have a point g :Perhaps this physician was dating from *conception to go along with the mother's original claim. Perhaps he wasn't. *I am only relating the story the way it was told to me And I have no reason *to believe the story teller is lying. The simple inconsistency I pointed out already is enough to make me think that someone is lying. I tend to take people at face value when they tell me of an episode. This isn't strict parapsychological research but the proving ground for ESP is real, everyday life, not the laboratory. Carl |
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"KellyH" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... I see you only want reports that confirm your bias. Explain why that's "research" again, would you? "carl jones" wrote in message ... I am collecting anecdotal stories of conception intuitions for a possible book on women's intuition. That's the extent of my research. That's not exactly "reasearch" then, is it? Go ahead, make fun of me running and ducking I had IVF and I was certain it didn't work. I didn't even want to take the pictures of the embryos they give you at transfer because I was so sure it wasn't going to work. Wooo... spooky intuition! not. Sometimes what we think is intuition turns out to be just a fear or wishful thinking. Carl |
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wrote in message ups.com... Well, here's mine: I had no conception intuition. Any reasonable book on women's intuition needs to include those of us (quite possibly the majority) with no intuitions about conception at all, and those of us with faulty intuition, as well as those of us with intuition that happened to be accurate. There is no faulty intuition -- just thoughts that seemed to be intuition but turn out otherwise. By the by, I am including cases that are not genuine ESP for accuracy. Carl |
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