Spanked and screamed for almost running into street!

My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

Healthy Stealthy wrote:
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

Yelling, and spanking appear to work, but statistically they do not.

In fact punishment methods fail in this situation.

Teaching a child how to behave around traffic is much more successful.
Clear demonstrations of correct traffic behavior, continued recognition
of doing it correctly, and verbal instruction have a better score on
"street entry" events being lower than spanked children.

I would hope that fathers and mothers would clearly express their fear
for the child WITHOUT going to the next level, anger.

A five year old is just about a year to shy of understanding the concept
that people who are behaving angrily are in fact afraid, and the anger
is the expression of the fear.

What they child is at risk of recalling the next time he has a "traffic
encounter" with or without dad is his own confusion humiliation and
pain, rather than focusing on how to properly behave in that situation.

Punishment nearly always provokes confusion in learning situations.

Which motivation do YOU learn best with when you have a task to learn
how to perform, fear, or focus on the elements of the task?

Thank you for sharing this with us. I hope the dad gives this some
thought and if he has access to the Web, does some research.

He needs two things: to stop at his own fear and express it if he needs
to, and teach with patience, trust in the child's desire to learn, and
knowing that in fact it's the PARENT's job to supervise a child that
young...which of course he did.

It was a great learning opportunity missed. Maybe a clean up with the
child over dad losing it in order. An apology and telling the child
about daddy's fear, and discussing what the boy should have done by
asking him to tell his father the proper procedure, followed by approval
for his remember the right way to do it.

Kane


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Dan[iel] !! And they said you had six months to go!!

Read some of your stuff on the gay sex groups - wow - no wonder your wife
took the kids.

"Healthy Stealthy" wrote in message
oups.com...
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

Very interesting!
The trio posted in some very odd newsgroups.
It looked like Dan posed questions apparently prearranged
and designed just for his buddy Kane (using another nym)
to answer. Betty also answered him in the most unlikely
newsgroups, pretending she didn't know him.
These three certainly could have just emailed each
other or phoned each other up.

Are they just "attention whores" working to give
each other a "soapbox" for their pet issues,
or is there something more sinister behind their
little charade?

Is Ron in on this "game" too?


Charles Fibson wrote:
Dan[iel] !! And they said you had six months to go!!

Read some of your stuff on the gay sex groups - wow - no wonder your wife
took the kids.

"Healthy Stealthy" wrote in message
oups.com...
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Very interesting!
The trio posted in some very odd newsgroups.
It looked like Dan posed questions apparently prearranged
and designed just for his buddy Kane (using another nym)
to answer. Betty also answered him in the most unlikely
newsgroups, pretending she didn't know him.
These three certainly could have just emailed each
other or phoned each other up.

Are they just "attention whores" working to give
each other a "soapbox" for their pet issues,
or is there something more sinister behind their
little charade?

Is Ron in on this "game" too?


I don't have time for games gregg. Its easy enough to check message headers
and compare IP's, give it a shot. Besides, Kane and I disagree on CP, in a
gentlemanly way of course.

As far as I can tell, you are the one playing games here. Did Kane post
something so that he could answer it? Maybe. Maybe he felt that he needed
to make a point and since no one else was asking the question that he was
going to have to do it. Either way it makes no difference. Once again your
inability to do even the slightest amount of research on your subject has
been exposed. Congratulations, again.

Ron


Charles Fibson wrote:
Dan[iel] !! And they said you had six months to go!!

Read some of your stuff on the gay sex groups - wow - no wonder your wife
took the kids.

"Healthy Stealthy" wrote in message
oups.com...
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

Ron:
Using a fake name to set up your own soapbox question
is not exactly honest or ethical.

Nor is it necessary.

He could have simply said "some guy asked me this or that..."
and then answered it.

People don't like it when they find out that somebody
ran a CON GAME to swing PR.

Ron wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Very interesting!
The trio posted in some very odd newsgroups.
It looked like Dan posed questions apparently prearranged
and designed just for his buddy Kane (using another nym)
to answer. Betty also answered him in the most unlikely
newsgroups, pretending she didn't know him.
These three certainly could have just emailed each
other or phoned each other up.

Are they just "attention whores" working to give
each other a "soapbox" for their pet issues,
or is there something more sinister behind their
little charade?

Is Ron in on this "game" too?


I don't have time for games gregg. Its easy enough to check message headers
and compare IP's, give it a shot. Besides, Kane and I disagree on CP, in a
gentlemanly way of course.

As far as I can tell, you are the one playing games here. Did Kane post
something so that he could answer it? Maybe. Maybe he felt that he needed
to make a point and since no one else was asking the question that he was
going to have to do it. Either way it makes no difference. Once again your
inability to do even the slightest amount of research on your subject has
been exposed. Congratulations, again.

Ron


Charles Fibson wrote:
Dan[iel] !! And they said you had six months to go!!

Read some of your stuff on the gay sex groups - wow - no wonder your wife
took the kids.

"Healthy Stealthy" wrote in message
oups.com...
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.

Greegor wrote:
Ron:
Using a fake name to set up your own soapbox question
is not exactly honest or ethical.

And who was it that did this thing you claim? And were is your proof?

Nor is it necessary.

Who was the person. And what is your proof.

He could have simply said "some guy asked me this or that..."
and then answered it.

Or the poster could have been a legitimate person. If you are looking
for sock go no further than Michael.

People don't like it when they find out that somebody
ran a CON GAME to swing PR.

What somebody are you referring to?

There was an attempt by one of your buddies, Greg, to bring people into
this discussion that are not posting to it.

YOU bought the lie and want desperately to believe it. Now prove your
claim, or be known for a dupe, a fool, and possibly a liar.

0:-



Ron wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Very interesting!
The trio posted in some very odd newsgroups.
It looked like Dan posed questions apparently prearranged
and designed just for his buddy Kane (using another nym)
to answer. Betty also answered him in the most unlikely
newsgroups, pretending she didn't know him.
These three certainly could have just emailed each
other or phoned each other up.

Are they just "attention whores" working to give
each other a "soapbox" for their pet issues,
or is there something more sinister behind their
little charade?

Is Ron in on this "game" too?

I don't have time for games gregg. Its easy enough to check message headers
and compare IP's, give it a shot. Besides, Kane and I disagree on CP, in a
gentlemanly way of course.

As far as I can tell, you are the one playing games here. Did Kane post
something so that he could answer it? Maybe. Maybe he felt that he needed
to make a point and since no one else was asking the question that he was
going to have to do it. Either way it makes no difference. Once again your
inability to do even the slightest amount of research on your subject has
been exposed. Congratulations, again.

Ron


Charles Fibson wrote:
Dan[iel] !! And they said you had six months to go!!

Read some of your stuff on the gay sex groups - wow - no wonder your wife
took the kids.

"Healthy Stealthy" wrote in message
oups.com...
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Ron wrote
YOU bought the lie and want desperately to believe it. Now prove your
claim, or be known for a dupe, a fool, and possibly a liar.

This reminds me of the child who does all kinds of
evil and then pretends to be a perfect little angel
when the parents turn to look.

Are you really that naive Ron? Or just playing the game?

Greegor wrote:
Ron wrote
YOU bought the lie and want desperately to believe it. Now prove your
claim, or be known for a dupe, a fool, and possibly a liar.

I realize you are tired, and under a lot of stress, and I wouldn't want
to distract you from you goal, like you so freehandedly and viciously do
to troubled parents that come to ascps, but Ron didn't say that.

Here's the direct quote, and notice the smiley. Ron doesn't use that and
it's MY posted reply to you;

"YOU bought the lie and want desperately to believe it. Now prove your
claim, or be known for a dupe, a fool, and possibly a liar.

0:- "

This reminds me of the child who does all kinds of
evil and then pretends to be a perfect little angel
when the parents turn to look.

This reminds me of a fool that is so dim that he does evil things and
doesn't even know it, so when people look he continues as though he's an
innocent lamb.

Are you really that naive Ron? Or just playing the game?

Well, I'll have to step in in Ron's place to answer, since he didn't say
what you attributed to him, I did.

No, I'm not naive.

And I repeat; "YOU bought the lie and want desperately to believe it.
Now prove your claim, or be known for a dupe, a fool, and possibly a
liar."

Any comment?

0:-






--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

You could lookup the Embry Study. I heard that Kane has a good copy he
can send you. ;-)

AF

Healthy Stealthy wrote:
My friend's husband loves his child very much. He always taught his
five year old to hold his hand, stop, look both ways, and make sure not
traffic is coming before crossing the street. Normally he would do
just that. But today he didn't!

He was taking him out of day care when all of a sudden this man's son
tried to run across a busy road to say hello to a security guard he
knows. The father grabbed him before he could run out in the on coming
traffic and swiftly carried him to the side walk. There, he quickly
gave him a fast spank on the behind. After that, he had a temper
tantrum. He was yelling at his five year old how dangerous it is to run
out in the street. This man loves his son very much, but he can have a
very bad temper. But he was very, very upset!

He does not know o f others around him heard his yelling. If they did
he is sure they would have been taken back. And he knows they have
cameras where he gave his son a fast spanking.

In my opinion, he was right for being so upset. He was right for giving
his son a fast swat on the behind, and for yelling at him.

But is there a way he could have done it without screaming? What does
a guy like this do with his temper in such times? He loves his son and
doesn't want anything to happen.