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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization
for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to know would be the percentage of women who are required to pay CS to the fathers of their children. I suspect it is much less than 12 percent (100 minus 88), either because there are no CS orders where --against the odds--fathers have custody, or because the children are in neither parent's custody but in some form of foster care. (2) When you go the web site showing the delinquent non-custodial "parents," you find they are all men, except for one. The amounts owed by the 15 men vary, but the average is around $80,000. However, Vickie Diane Mills got on the list while owing $16,087. I suspect that she was put on the list in a feeble effort to conceal the blatant anti-male bias of the CS system. Published on Virginia National Organization for Women (http://www.vanow.org) VA 's $2.3 billion child support problem By legislative Created Feb 13 2006 - 1:14am Legislation to strengthen child support enforcement and update support guidelines are VaNOW priorities for the 2007 General Assembly session. In the vast majority of cases, child support is a woman's issue; 88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women. In Virginia, the Division of Child Support Enforcement http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html [1] handles 363,000 cases, with 484,000 children. These children represent almost one-quarter of Virginia's child population. The size of the child support problem is enormous: $2.3 billion is due in past child support. Virginia is doing a number of things right in order to shore up child support. Here are a few statewide initiatives that are reaping success: · The Division of Child Support Enforcement (DCSE) maintains an interactive Internet site that provides updated payment and case information to custodial and non-custodial parents. Over 7,000 customers visit the site each day. · Virginia participates in a "New Hire Reporting" program that requires new employees to be scrutinized for past due child support. Since its inception in 1993, approximately $89.8 million has been collected as a direct result of this program. · The Virginia $4Kids Program allows child support payments to be made through the DCSE website or by toll-free phone call. · In 2005 Virginia initiated a program to publicize delinquent non-custodial parents with outstanding warrants. Pictures of these individuals were posted in newspapers in Tidewater, Roanoke, and Richmond. To date, 63 non-custodial parents have been arrested. Pictures can also be found on the DCSE website at http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source URL: http://www.vanow.org/node/40 Links: [1] http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html [2] http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
Kenneth S. wrote:
The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: Thanks, I needed an addition to the Child Support Clock. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
Kenneth S. wrote:
The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to In this statement, they are simultaneously right and wrong in the same time. I guess you could put it down as, "out of the mouth's of babes, wisdom." Eighty-eight percent of custodial parents are women: did somebody at NOW not sit down before that was released and say, "That's a lot of women having to depend on men for survival. Aren't we promoting liberation here?" And what's more, if 88 percent of the custodial parents are women, does that mean that the majority of fathers are unfit parents? Really doesn't say that much for women that they are choosing that many losers. But NOW is wrong in that it is not just a "woman's issue." It's an issue for men, women, and taxpayers. While Virginia NOW points out that 88 percent of custodial parents are women, it seems to ignore the obvious counter point: that 88 percent of non custodial parents (and "checkbook dads") are men. Shouldn't the voice of the payer at least have EQUAL input as to that of the receiver? It's a radical thought, but consider it for a moment. But NOW is not our major issue, and they have never been major in any sense of the word. Slamming the National Organization for Women, while a fun hobby, merely reinforces negative stereotypes of fathers' rights activists as paranoid and anti-women. "There they go, talking about another NOW funded conspiracy." I can hear the rolling of eyes as I type. If we really want to talk about people that are harmful to the improvement of fathers' rights, let's talk about people like Dobson and others who reinforce the image of a woman's place being in the home and that shared parenting is "disruptive" to the lives of children. Or we can talk about the Republican Congress which, when they came to power, enacted all sorts of legislation that changed welfare mothers waiting for the welfare check to "stay at home" mothers waiting for the child support check. This is the very same Congress that let minimum wages stagnate for 10 years and did not do a thing to help. By the way, this is also the same ship of fools that did not do a "thing" to stop their pay raises from going into effect. Not working seems to be a common trend with Congress, though. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and focus in on the legislatures that pass draconian child support laws and the courts that seem to get giddy enforcing them while they sleep when a visitation violation is brought before them. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
I agree with much of what you say below. There is an odd alliance
between conservatives such as Dobson and extremist feminists. As far as I can see, this alliance is based on the notion that major social problems, such as family breakdown, are exclusively the responsibility of those wicked men, and that government policies--such as making every effort to make sure that men pay "child support" to women--have no incentive effect on the rate of breakup of families. I don't think anything will change until men find some way of making Dobson and many others understand that in the present-day U.S. women -- not men -- are responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatherless families, whether created by divorce or by illegitimate births. That's not an easy thing to do. It involves men being willing to acknowledge that they are not all-powerful, and that they are being bested by the women with whom they have been associated. "The strength of women is the pretense of weakness and the weakness of men is the pretense of strength." "John Meyer" wrote in message . .. Kenneth S. wrote: The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to In this statement, they are simultaneously right and wrong in the same time. I guess you could put it down as, "out of the mouth's of babes, wisdom." Eighty-eight percent of custodial parents are women: did somebody at NOW not sit down before that was released and say, "That's a lot of women having to depend on men for survival. Aren't we promoting liberation here?" And what's more, if 88 percent of the custodial parents are women, does that mean that the majority of fathers are unfit parents? Really doesn't say that much for women that they are choosing that many losers. But NOW is wrong in that it is not just a "woman's issue." It's an issue for men, women, and taxpayers. While Virginia NOW points out that 88 percent of custodial parents are women, it seems to ignore the obvious counter point: that 88 percent of non custodial parents (and "checkbook dads") are men. Shouldn't the voice of the payer at least have EQUAL input as to that of the receiver? It's a radical thought, but consider it for a moment. But NOW is not our major issue, and they have never been major in any sense of the word. Slamming the National Organization for Women, while a fun hobby, merely reinforces negative stereotypes of fathers' rights activists as paranoid and anti-women. "There they go, talking about another NOW funded conspiracy." I can hear the rolling of eyes as I type. If we really want to talk about people that are harmful to the improvement of fathers' rights, let's talk about people like Dobson and others who reinforce the image of a woman's place being in the home and that shared parenting is "disruptive" to the lives of children. Or we can talk about the Republican Congress which, when they came to power, enacted all sorts of legislation that changed welfare mothers waiting for the welfare check to "stay at home" mothers waiting for the child support check. This is the very same Congress that let minimum wages stagnate for 10 years and did not do a thing to help. By the way, this is also the same ship of fools that did not do a "thing" to stop their pay raises from going into effect. Not working seems to be a common trend with Congress, though. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and focus in on the legislatures that pass draconian child support laws and the courts that seem to get giddy enforcing them while they sleep when a visitation violation is brought before them. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
On Mar 14, 8:21�am, John Meyer wrote:
Kenneth S. wrote: * * The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. * * Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. *And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to In this statement, they are simultaneously right and wrong in the same time. *I guess you could put it down as, "out of the mouth's of babes, wisdom." *Eighty-eight percent of custodial parents are women: did somebody at NOW not sit down before that was released and say, "That's a lot of women having to depend on men for survival. *Aren't we promoting liberation here?" John, now you know thats ridiculous. You know full well that CS has nothing to do with women and it's all for the kids. Did you forget that? Sheesh... |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
Kenneth S. wrote:
I agree with much of what you say below. There is an odd alliance between conservatives such as Dobson and extremist feminists. As far as I can see, this alliance is based on the notion that major social problems, such as family breakdown, are exclusively the responsibility of those wicked men, and that government policies--such as making every effort to make sure that men pay "child support" to women--have no incentive effect on the rate of breakup of families. I don't think anything will change until men find some way of making Dobson and many others understand that in the present-day U.S. women -- not men -- are responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatherless families, whether created by divorce or by illegitimate births. That's not an easy thing to do. It involves men being willing to acknowledge that they are not all-powerful, and that they are being bested by the women with whom they have been associated. "The strength of women is the pretense of weakness and the weakness of men is the pretense of strength." Making Dobson care is about the least of my concerns. Living about half an hour from the reactionary right's capital in Colorado Springs, I really don't think you can say or do anything to convince people that radicalized to your cause. For much the same reason, I really don't care about what NOW says or does. They are a joke even to women my age. If they are pushing the full blown transfer of wealth from men to women without an inch of work, they can give up any right to call themselves feminists. A feminist believes that a woman should have the same chances and rights as a man, no more, no less. These are matriarchists: they have no problem with the situation that is; they'd just like to replace the men at the top with the women. It's kind of like that end scene in Animal Farm. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
On Mar 11, 7:56 pm, "Kenneth S." wrote:
The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to know would be the percentage of women who are required to pay CS to the fathers of their children. I suspect it is much less than 12 percent (100 minus 88), either because there are no CS orders where --against the odds--fathers have custody, or because the children are in neither parent's custody but in some form of foster care. (2) When you go the web site showing the delinquent non-custodial "parents," you find they are all men, except for one. The amounts owed by the 15 men vary, but the average is around $80,000. However, Vickie Diane Mills got on the list while owing $16,087. I suspect that she was put on the list in a feeble effort to conceal the blatant anti-male bias of the CS system. Published on Virginia National Organization for Women (http://www.vanow.org) VA 's $2.3 billion child support problem By legislative Created Feb 13 2006 - 1:14am Legislation to strengthen child support enforcement and update support guidelines are VaNOW priorities for the 2007 General Assembly session. In the vast majority of cases, child support is a woman's issue; 88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women. In Virginia, the Division of Child Support Enforcementhttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html[1] handles 363,000 cases, with 484,000 children. These children represent almost one-quarter of Virginia's child population. The size of the child support problem is enormous: $2.3 billion is due in past child support. Virginia is doing a number of things right in order to shore up child support. Here are a few statewide initiatives that are reaping success: · The Division of Child Support Enforcement (DCSE) maintains an interactive Internet site that provides updated payment and case information to custodial and non-custodial parents. Over 7,000 customers visit the site each day. · Virginia participates in a "New Hire Reporting" program that requires new employees to be scrutinized for past due child support. Since its inception in 1993, approximately $89.8 million has been collected as a direct result of this program. · The Virginia $4Kids Program allows child support payments to be made through the DCSE website or by toll-free phone call. · In 2005 Virginia initiated a program to publicize delinquent non-custodial parents with outstanding warrants. Pictures of these individuals were posted in newspapers in Tidewater, Roanoke, and Richmond. To date, 63 non-custodial parents have been arrested. Pictures can also be found on the DCSE website athttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html [2] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- Source URL:http://www.vanow.org/node/40 Links: [1]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html [2]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html Most states only have about 2% foster care placement rate so I would guess that about 10% of men have custody in this case. That would include all father's that got custody due to mom's incarceration or abandonment as well as the small number of cases where custody was awarded to the dad. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
"ghostwriter" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 11, 7:56 pm, "Kenneth S." wrote: The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to know would be the percentage of women who are required to pay CS to the fathers of their children. I suspect it is much less than 12 percent (100 minus 88), either because there are no CS orders where --against the odds--fathers have custody, or because the children are in neither parent's custody but in some form of foster care. (2) When you go the web site showing the delinquent non-custodial "parents," you find they are all men, except for one. The amounts owed by the 15 men vary, but the average is around $80,000. However, Vickie Diane Mills got on the list while owing $16,087. I suspect that she was put on the list in a feeble effort to conceal the blatant anti-male bias of the CS system. Published on Virginia National Organization for Women (http://www.vanow.org) VA 's $2.3 billion child support problem By legislative Created Feb 13 2006 - 1:14am Legislation to strengthen child support enforcement and update support guidelines are VaNOW priorities for the 2007 General Assembly session. In the vast majority of cases, child support is a woman's issue; 88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women. In Virginia, the Division of Child Support Enforcementhttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html[1] handles 363,000 cases, with 484,000 children. These children represent almost one-quarter of Virginia's child population. The size of the child support problem is enormous: $2.3 billion is due in past child support. Virginia is doing a number of things right in order to shore up child support. Here are a few statewide initiatives that are reaping success: · The Division of Child Support Enforcement (DCSE) maintains an interactive Internet site that provides updated payment and case information to custodial and non-custodial parents. Over 7,000 customers visit the site each day. · Virginia participates in a "New Hire Reporting" program that requires new employees to be scrutinized for past due child support. Since its inception in 1993, approximately $89.8 million has been collected as a direct result of this program. · The Virginia $4Kids Program allows child support payments to be made through the DCSE website or by toll-free phone call. · In 2005 Virginia initiated a program to publicize delinquent non-custodial parents with outstanding warrants. Pictures of these individuals were posted in newspapers in Tidewater, Roanoke, and Richmond. To date, 63 non-custodial parents have been arrested. Pictures can also be found on the DCSE website athttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -*----- Source URL:http://www.vanow.org/node/40 Links: [1]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html [2]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html Most states only have about 2% foster care placement rate so I would guess that about 10% of men have custody in this case. That would include all father's that got custody due to mom's incarceration or abandonment as well as the small number of cases where custody was awarded to the dad. ============== The Federal OCSE used to publish a summation of the Census breakdown of custodial parents. The last time I saw it in print they claimed mothers made up 85%, fathers 8%, and others 7%. The "other" category included aunts/uncles/grandparents etc. I don't recall them publishing any statistics on foster care or youth authority custodians, but I would guess the 2% noted above is about right and counted as part of the "other" category. The father custody group also includes children (particularly teenagers) who the mother gives up to the father out of frustration due to conflicts between them and the children. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
On Mar 11, 6:56�pm, "Kenneth S." wrote:
* * The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. * * Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. *And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to know would be the percentage of women who are required to pay CS to the fathers of their children. *I suspect it is much less than 12 percent (100 minus 88), either because there are no CS orders where --against the odds--fathers have custody, or because the children are in neither parent's custody but in some form of foster care. (2) When you go the web site showing the delinquent non-custodial "parents," you find they are all men, except for one. *The amounts owed by the 15 men vary, but the average is around $80,000. *However, Vickie Diane Mills got on the list while owing $16,087. I suspect that she was put on the list in a feeble effort to conceal the blatant anti-male bias of the CS system. Published on Virginia National Organization for Women (http://www.vanow.org) VA 's $2.3 billion child support problem By legislative Created Feb 13 2006 - 1:14am Legislation to strengthen child support enforcement and update support guidelines are VaNOW priorities for the 2007 General Assembly session. In the vast majority of cases, child support is a woman's issue; 88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women. In Virginia, the Division of Child Support Enforcementhttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html[1] handles 363,000 cases, with 484,000 children. These children represent almost one-quarter of Virginia's child population. The size of the child support problem is enormous: $2.3 billion is due in past child support. Virginia is doing a number of things right in order to shore up child support. Here are a few statewide initiatives that are reaping success: · * * * *The Division of Child Support Enforcement (DCSE) maintains an interactive Internet site that provides updated payment and case information to custodial and non-custodial parents. Over 7,000 customers visit the site each day. · * * * *Virginia participates in a "New Hire Reporting" program that requires new employees to be scrutinized for past due child support. Since its inception in 1993, approximately $89.8 million has been collected as a direct result of this program. · * * * *The Virginia $4Kids Program allows child support payments to be made through the DCSE website or by toll-free phone call. · * * * *In 2005 Virginia initiated a program to publicize delinquent non-custodial parents with outstanding warrants. Pictures of these individuals were posted in newspapers in Tidewater, Roanoke, and Richmond. To date, 63 non-custodial parents have been arrested. *Pictures can also be found on the DCSE website athttp://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html [2] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- Source URL:http://www.vanow.org/node/40 Links: [1]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/dcse.html [2]http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/wanted.html Actually, what needs to happen is the Equal Rights Admendment needs to be revived and passed. Equal Rights pertains to everyone, not just women. THAT is the way out of this custody/support quagmire for me. |
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Child support is a woman's issue, NOW says
"Kenneth S." wrote in message news:6s1Kh.2430$8u4.1737@trnddc08... I agree with much of what you say below. There is an odd alliance between conservatives such as Dobson and extremist feminists. As far as I can see, this alliance is based on the notion that major social problems, such as family breakdown, are exclusively the responsibility of those wicked men, and that government policies--such as making every effort to make sure that men pay "child support" to women--have no incentive effect on the rate of breakup of families. I don't think anything will change until men find some way of making Dobson and many others understand that in the present-day U.S. women -- not men -- are responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatherless families, whether created by divorce or by illegitimate births. That's not an easy thing to do. It involves men being willing to acknowledge that they are not all-powerful, and that they are being bested by the women with whom they have been associated. "The strength of women is the pretense of weakness and the weakness of men is the pretense of strength." This is not a gender war at all, rather it is a war between good and evil. Short of murder, women are powerless to deny their children fathers without the force of government. And who is ultimately in charge of government? MEN! Women do their dirty deeds ONLY because the wicked men in power allow/promote it. Without these yahoos enforcing their evil agendas, by threat of death or imprisonment, the "child support"/anti-father industry would NOT exist. True, the evil mother has to initiate action to get the ball rolling; but NOTHING happens until the government people step in. Until people understand this, they will continue to attack the foolish women who invite the government people in to enforce their agenda rather than the men at the top who are ultimately responsible. "John Meyer" wrote in message . .. Kenneth S. wrote: The following is a press release from the Virginia National Organization for Women. Note these elements: (1) NOW's open acknowledgment of the virtually one-way flow of so-called child support, from men to women. And while this press release says "88% of custodial parents in Virginia are women," the more interesting percentage to In this statement, they are simultaneously right and wrong in the same time. I guess you could put it down as, "out of the mouth's of babes, wisdom." Eighty-eight percent of custodial parents are women: did somebody at NOW not sit down before that was released and say, "That's a lot of women having to depend on men for survival. Aren't we promoting liberation here?" And what's more, if 88 percent of the custodial parents are women, does that mean that the majority of fathers are unfit parents? Really doesn't say that much for women that they are choosing that many losers. But NOW is wrong in that it is not just a "woman's issue." It's an issue for men, women, and taxpayers. While Virginia NOW points out that 88 percent of custodial parents are women, it seems to ignore the obvious counter point: that 88 percent of non custodial parents (and "checkbook dads") are men. Shouldn't the voice of the payer at least have EQUAL input as to that of the receiver? It's a radical thought, but consider it for a moment. But NOW is not our major issue, and they have never been major in any sense of the word. Slamming the National Organization for Women, while a fun hobby, merely reinforces negative stereotypes of fathers' rights activists as paranoid and anti-women. "There they go, talking about another NOW funded conspiracy." I can hear the rolling of eyes as I type. If we really want to talk about people that are harmful to the improvement of fathers' rights, let's talk about people like Dobson and others who reinforce the image of a woman's place being in the home and that shared parenting is "disruptive" to the lives of children. Or we can talk about the Republican Congress which, when they came to power, enacted all sorts of legislation that changed welfare mothers waiting for the welfare check to "stay at home" mothers waiting for the child support check. This is the very same Congress that let minimum wages stagnate for 10 years and did not do a thing to help. By the way, this is also the same ship of fools that did not do a "thing" to stop their pay raises from going into effect. Not working seems to be a common trend with Congress, though. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and focus in on the legislatures that pass draconian child support laws and the courts that seem to get giddy enforcing them while they sleep when a visitation violation is brought before them. |
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