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"Child Support" money?
In article , Tiffany says...
Gini52 wrote in message ... In article , Tiffany says... Gini52 wrote in message ... In article , Moon Shyne says... "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket with my own money. Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the same. ===== The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt. ===== ===== But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed. T ====== Soooooo....what you're saying is that because some people cheat on their taxes, CPs should not be subject to accounting for CS? :-) Look, this is not difficult. I'm not proposing that necessities be accounted for. Food, clothing, shelter would be allotted at a fixed rate for the jurisdiction (as is done for foster kids). The extras should be accounted for (lifestyle). If the CP is going to claim the child is taking riding and dance lessons, the receipts for those payments should be in the box. If the child gives up dance and takes up drums, the receipts should be in the box. If the child's clothing desires are in excess of the base allotment, the receipts go in the box. There must be a standard of what expenses are anticipated for the child. It happens in virtually every other area of financial management. === === I agree there needs to be accountability like you. But that is something that will end up in the hands of the government (like the whole cs thing) and surely would be just as corrupt. Shame, isn't it? I also don't think that CS should be awarded over what is necessary so that would eliminate accounting for the extra's. T ==== Exactly. If the state doesn't want to provide a system of accounting for lifestyle support, it has no business awarding it in the first place. ==== === |
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"Child Support" money?
On 12 Nov 2003 19:01:04 -0800, Gini52 wrote:
But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed. T ====== Soooooo....what you're saying is that because some people cheat on their taxes, CPs should not be subject to accounting for CS? :-) Look, this is not difficult. I'm not proposing that necessities be accounted for. Food, clothing, shelter would be allotted at a fixed rate for the jurisdiction (as is done for foster kids). The extras should be accounted for (lifestyle). If the CP is going to claim the child is taking riding and dance lessons, the receipts for those payments should be in the box. If the child gives up dance and takes up drums, the receipts should be in the box. If the child's clothing desires are in excess of the base allotment, the receipts go in the box. There must be a standard of what expenses are anticipated for the child. It happens in virtually every other area of financial management. === === What is a reasonable amount for necessities? The low amounts set by the cheap governmentt and their budget allotment to foster care programs or on actual costs of raising a child. The government doesnt just figure that these foster kids should get x amount because thats what it costs, they look at their budget for foster care programs and say based on our budget we can afford to pay x amount per child. |
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"Child Support" money?
"Jon" wrote in message news:Eqzsb.136270$ao4.428012@attbi_s51... So it abuse to have an opinion different from yours deadbeat? Spamming this newsgroup with multiple accounts is. "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. FYI. Child support "dollars" can be spent on anything the CP wants, as long as they have already had to beg, borrow or steal from others to make up the the deadbeat's share before he decided to pay. Real nice, labeling all fathers as deadbeats. With the number of comcast email accounts you are now using and the level of usenet abuse to this NG it is only a matter of time before your account is suspended for TOS violation. "Gini52" wrote in message ... In article jPtsb.10$6G3.8@fed1read06, Chris says... Family kourt forces a man to give "child support" cash to the woman. She uses such proceeds to purchase lottery tickets, alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, gifts for her lover, and bon bons. How is this "child support" money? === It's the "trickle down" effect--You know, "Reaganomics." In the case of middle income dads, the presumption is that if you give them (CPs) way more than they need, there is a greater chance that enough will "trickle down" to the kids to keep them from starving. Note: This does not include CS ordered to low income dads that does not meet the basic needs of the child or upper income dads who are not subject to CS guidelines. === === |
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"Child Support" money?
"Jon" wrote in message news:Eqzsb.136270$ao4.428012@attbi_s51... So it abuse to have an opinion different from yours deadbeat? Spamming this newsgroup with multiple accounts is. "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. FYI. Child support "dollars" can be spent on anything the CP wants, as long as they have already had to beg, borrow or steal from others to make up the the deadbeat's share before he decided to pay. Real nice, labeling all fathers as deadbeats. With the number of comcast email accounts you are now using and the level of usenet abuse to this NG it is only a matter of time before your account is suspended for TOS violation. "Gini52" wrote in message ... In article jPtsb.10$6G3.8@fed1read06, Chris says... Family kourt forces a man to give "child support" cash to the woman. She uses such proceeds to purchase lottery tickets, alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, gifts for her lover, and bon bons. How is this "child support" money? === It's the "trickle down" effect--You know, "Reaganomics." In the case of middle income dads, the presumption is that if you give them (CPs) way more than they need, there is a greater chance that enough will "trickle down" to the kids to keep them from starving. Note: This does not include CS ordered to low income dads that does not meet the basic needs of the child or upper income dads who are not subject to CS guidelines. === === |
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In article , Fighting For Kids
says... On 12 Nov 2003 19:01:04 -0800, Gini52 wrote: But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed. T ====== Soooooo....what you're saying is that because some people cheat on their taxes, CPs should not be subject to accounting for CS? :-) Look, this is not difficult. I'm not proposing that necessities be accounted for. Food, clothing, shelter would be allotted at a fixed rate for the jurisdiction (as is done for foster kids). The extras should be accounted for (lifestyle). If the CP is going to claim the child is taking riding and dance lessons, the receipts for those payments should be in the box. If the child gives up dance and takes up drums, the receipts should be in the box. If the child's clothing desires are in excess of the base allotment, the receipts go in the box. There must be a standard of what expenses are anticipated for the child. It happens in virtually every other area of financial management. === === What is a reasonable amount for necessities? The low amounts set by the cheap governmentt and their budget allotment to foster care programs or on actual costs of raising a child. The government doesnt just figure that these foster kids should get x amount because thats what it costs, they look at their budget for foster care programs and say based on our budget we can afford to pay x amount per child. ==== Well, how much does the state require intact families to spend on their kids? Maybe we should start there. ==== ==== |
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"Child Support" money?
But what is necessary? Thats another debate in itself. Gini's
governmental foster care payments, SSI payments, govt daycare payments? The bare minimum? Shopping at Goodwill, walmart, JC Pennys, Gap? On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:33:07 -0500, "Tiffany" wrote: Gini52 wrote in message ... In article , Tiffany says... Gini52 wrote in message ... In article , Moon Shyne says... "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket with my own money. Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the same. ===== The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt. ===== ===== But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed. T ====== Soooooo....what you're saying is that because some people cheat on their taxes, CPs should not be subject to accounting for CS? :-) Look, this is not difficult. I'm not proposing that necessities be accounted for. Food, clothing, shelter would be allotted at a fixed rate for the jurisdiction (as is done for foster kids). The extras should be accounted for (lifestyle). If the CP is going to claim the child is taking riding and dance lessons, the receipts for those payments should be in the box. If the child gives up dance and takes up drums, the receipts should be in the box. If the child's clothing desires are in excess of the base allotment, the receipts go in the box. There must be a standard of what expenses are anticipated for the child. It happens in virtually every other area of financial management. === === I agree there needs to be accountability like you. But that is something that will end up in the hands of the government (like the whole cs thing) and surely would be just as corrupt. Shame, isn't it? I also don't think that CS should be awarded over what is necessary so that would eliminate accounting for the extra's. T |
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"Child Support" money?
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:40:36 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote: Outrages amounts? What to you is a reasonable amount? 4755 is the average support thats been ordered for BOTH mothers and fathers. Thats about 400.00 for each case, not each child. Is that reasonable? Can you spend that on one child? How about two? Three? Would that cover at least half of the childs expenses? "Most" NCP's dont pay outrageous amounts, im sure that there are SOME that do. Just like SOME Cp's dont use their support check for the childs expenses and SOME do. Im sure to them it seems outrageous because it comes out of their check. Like some people think the gov't taking the amount of taxes out of their paycheck is "outrageous." Actually, I just wanted to add, I do think a CP should be able to prove in one way or another where any money goes. If my ex WAS sending his money, I could definitely show that it went to pay for part of my daughter's braces, that part of it went to pay for her clothes she needs or the other 'stuff' she always seems to need. Its not a complicated task. He definitely couldn't say the money wasn't going to her. But there in lies the problem that is stated over and over again in here...... most NCP's are paying outrageous amounts, while me and him set a fair amount we both agreed on. In the end it didn't matter but that is for another time. lol T |
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket with my own money. Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the same. If you can afford the lottery ticket, then why do you need "child support" money? FYI. Child support "dollars" can be spent on anything the CP wants, as long as they have already had to beg, borrow or steal from others to make up the the deadbeat's share before he decided to pay. Real nice, labeling all fathers as deadbeats. With the number of comcast email accounts you are now using and the level of usenet abuse to this NG it is only a matter of time before your account is suspended for TOS violation. "Gini52" wrote in message ... In article jPtsb.10$6G3.8@fed1read06, Chris says... Family kourt forces a man to give "child support" cash to the woman. She uses such proceeds to purchase lottery tickets, alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, gifts for her lover, and bon bons. How is this "child support" money? === It's the "trickle down" effect--You know, "Reaganomics." In the case of middle income dads, the presumption is that if you give them (CPs) way more than they need, there is a greater chance that enough will "trickle down" to the kids to keep them from starving. Note: This does not include CS ordered to low income dads that does not meet the basic needs of the child or upper income dads who are not subject to CS guidelines. === === |
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On 12 Nov 2003 19:37:19 -0800, Gini52 wrote:
You think those things are necessities that your x should be paying for? T It could be.. if the street fair is selling school supplies cheaper than walmart and you buy them there isnt that still spending money on the child's basic needs? I can think of all kinds of necessity items one could by at a street fair vs a store. All brand new items often less expensive than at the stores themselves. ===== Logic dictates that incidental spending be attributable to the CP's percent share. The NCP is not responsible for the entire financial output for the child(ren). Y'all didn't forget about that part, did you? ===== ===== Did I say that ALL that should be paid for by the NCP?? No. I said that it could be conceivable that a parent could buy NECESSITIES at a street fair vs. a store in which case a "receipt" wouldnt be provided. |
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On 12 Nov 2003 20:01:01 -0800, Gini52 wrote:
==== Exactly. If the state doesn't want to provide a system of accounting for lifestyle support, it has no business awarding it in the first place. ==== === So what do you propose is a reasonable amount for support? You say foster care expenditures, but what is that? Are they based on the actual cost to raise a child, or what the governments budget will allow them to spend? |
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