Who's right?

............In the end, it all comes down to this: nobody is allowed to
lay a hand on our kids without fear of prosecution. Not babysitters,
not teachers, not daycare workers, etc. These people are expected to
interact with our kids without corporal punishment... and wonder of
wonders... they do. So why do parents think they should be exempt?
Simply because they have the pink slip? Or because that's how it was
when they were young? If it's wrong for everyone else on the planet
to hit your kids, then it's wrong for you.

More at:
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story.asp?story_ID=6478

Don't you just love the "logic" of the anti-spanking zealotS? ;-)

Doan

wrote:
Don't you just love the "logic" of the anti-spanking zealotS? ;-)

Doan

they clearly have not researched the historical implications of when
spanking became politically incorrect.
Take a look.
once children obeyed and respected their elders, parents especially.
Once children were expected to behave in acceptable ways or face the
consequences, yes.. from teachers, parents, elders in general.

Now children expect everything on a silver platter and cry abuse if
spoken to harshly. Spankings? Oh my gosh! It's the worst kind of abuse!
LOL
Too bad it's not really laughable.
I can't wait to see what the next 20 years brings.

or.... is it because parents of the past *used* to spank that we're in
such dire straights now? Highly unlikely.

:: jumps off her soapbox::

Hailey wrote:
wrote:
Don't you just love the "logic" of the anti-spanking zealotS? ;-)

Doan

they clearly have not researched the historical implications of when
spanking became politically incorrect.

Actually we have.

Take a look.

We have.

once children obeyed and respected their elders, parents especially.

You are incorrect. There were juvenile deliquents back into the days of
Roman ascendency. It's recorded. In our own country there was, during
the 1800s, a terrible problem with deliquency and harsh methods of
dealing with it, including "spanking" and locking them up in detention
centers with various names.

Once children were expected to behave in acceptable ways or face the
consequences, yes.. from teachers, parents, elders in general.

The same children that responded to that are the unspanked children of
today who already respond.

All you make happen with spanking, and other harsh forms of punishment
is keep the criminal class full. In fact if you bothered to do as you
claim we don't, real research, you'd find that as spanking, both in
schools, and in the home has been reducing the crime rate for youth has
been dropping.

We have an all time low in youth crime and it's been going on for about
three decades of reduction now.

About the length of time parents have been exposed to more humane ways
of raising children. Criminals, for instance, come universally from the
"spanked" ranks.

Now children expect everything on a silver platter and cry abuse if
spoken to harshly.

No they don't. That's garbage.

Spankings? Oh my gosh! It's the worst kind of abuse!

No, there are much worse abuses, but that doesn't reduce the need to
see it for what it is, sanctioned assault against the young.

Are you for corporal punishment for adults? If so try it on your
spouse.

LOL
Too bad it's not really laughable.

No, it's not. Not when you look at the actual research. One prominant
reseacher back in the 70s, his last name was Fischer, and he was from
one of the most prominate and respected schools of social work in the
nation, initiated the first study in prisons to find out how many
prisoners has experienced CP as children.

He gave up. After trying in three different prisons he could not find
ONE who had not been.

I can't wait to see what the next 20 years brings.

Well, if the last 20 are any indication based on crime reports on youth
you and I are in for a great time. Unless of course you are a criminal
and want to raise criminals.

or.... is it because parents of the past *used* to spank that we're in
such dire straights now? Highly unlikely.

Actually you hit the nail on the head. The perpetuation of spanking is
a well known phenomena. It's the one thing that above all others keeps
it going. In families that do not spank there is a tendency for the
next generation not to as well.

My own daughter, much in love and ready to marry some years ago, turned
down here fiance when he made it plain he would continue his family's
tradition over her objection from the tradition in HER family.

:: jumps off her soapbox::

No, you'll be there as long as you have this compulsion to spank and
the desire to rationalize and minimize and defend it by fooling
yourself.

Try looking up youth crime rates, and in fact all crime rates in the
country.

Violent crime is going down as more humane parenting is coming up.

Find some research that shows otherwise.

When CPS is finally outlawed guess what will be next?

Punishment based parenting. Children need to experience consequences
commensurate with their level of developmental understanding.

When all public schools require every child by about midway through
high school complete and PASS a class in early childhood development we
will really start to make progress.

That has been the eye opener for many a compulsive such as you...the
discovery that they had been punishing their children for things the
child not only can't help but that are activities necessary for them to
develop normally.


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On 2 Aug 2005 wrote:


Hailey wrote:
wrote:
Don't you just love the "logic" of the anti-spanking zealotS? ;-)

Doan

they clearly have not researched the historical implications of when
spanking became politically incorrect.

Actually we have.

Take a look.

We have.

once children obeyed and respected their elders, parents especially.

You are incorrect. There were juvenile deliquents back into the days of
Roman ascendency. It's recorded. In our own country there was, during
the 1800s, a terrible problem with deliquency and harsh methods of
dealing with it, including "spanking" and locking them up in detention
centers with various names.

Once children were expected to behave in acceptable ways or face the
consequences, yes.. from teachers, parents, elders in general.

The same children that responded to that are the unspanked children of
today who already respond.

All you make happen with spanking, and other harsh forms of punishment
is keep the criminal class full. In fact if you bothered to do as you
claim we don't, real research, you'd find that as spanking, both in
schools, and in the home has been reducing the crime rate for youth has
been dropping.

We have an all time low in youth crime and it's been going on for about
three decades of reduction now.

About the length of time parents have been exposed to more humane ways
of raising children. Criminals, for instance, come universally from the
"spanked" ranks.


Kane0 is lying again! Here is from AP:

"The arrest rate of juveniles for four major violent crimes - murder,
rape, robbery and aggravated assault - plunged 36 percent from its 1994 peak to
1999, reaching the lowest point since 1988, according to FBI statistics"

So much for the claim of "three decades of reduction"! No wonder people
called Kane0 STUPID! ;-)

Doan