The Ty Pennington Story

Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
MothWrangler wrote:
PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact
that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media...2005_92_e.html
AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05.

I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life?

I do not suppose that you could provide evidence that the medication
were the proximate cause of the deaths?

It's not my job to prove your sponsors' noxious poisons are dangerous,
Markey, it's your job to prove they aren't.

Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a
temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public
outcry. Think Vioxx.

We are not discussing Vioxx. And, the above paragraph is devoid of
relevant facts.

Aderall and Vioxx experienced a temporary ban in order to quet down
public outcry, however. Unfortunately, neither action brought the dead
back to life.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media...2005_92_e.html


Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

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Vernon athere@athere wrote:

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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I
have
ever seen.

As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
behavioral science,

You're not sure which?

He skipped that class.

Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.

I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
with
no education and I just identified two of them.

Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
"negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.

Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying
attention.
I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.

Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer?
I
know it!

(And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
with
autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)



Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged.
So you work with people who charge money to play games.

After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists
spout
(no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general
ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in
teaching) and then changed to Engineering.

That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
you don't speak German.

I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?



At the risk of being politically incorrect in these times of "terror"
There is an Arabic saying.

He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, awaken him
He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is simple, teach him
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool shun him.

Guess which one John Doe resembles.

Anyway, I'm not going to apologize to a fool for being obsessed with
learning.
The fool can't even figure out what I said. (I said NONE of his claims)
Fools are easily confused and often just plain lie.

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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on "Trading
Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave, since so many
who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing that it will harm
their careers...a shame, really.

--
Buny

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal."
~ Albert Camus



Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and just get on
with their lives knowing that no two people are alike and REFUSE to take
drugs to become an automon or programmed personality that fits some
imaginary standard.

Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then there are the
druggies and alcoholics.

PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
MothWrangler wrote:
PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact
that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media...2005_92_e.html
AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05.
I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life?
I do not suppose that you could provide evidence that the medication
were the proximate cause of the deaths?

It's not my job to prove your sponsors'

asshole

noxious poisons are dangerous,
Markey, it's your job to prove they aren't.

Sorry, boob, but you made a claim when you implied that Adderall was the
cause of death. You should be able to prove it, or acknowledge that you
were posting flatulence again.

If you bother to look, which would be a first, you would not find any
evidence of a causal connection. The fact is that some people taking the
medication died. Whether there is a link or not is unproven. Of course,
unproven information is your expertise.

Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a
temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public
outcry. Think Vioxx.
We are not discussing Vioxx. And, the above paragraph is devoid of
relevant facts.

Aderall and Vioxx experienced a temporary ban in order to quet down
public outcry, however. Unfortunately, neither action brought the dead
back to life.

Prove that Adderall was the proximate cause, or even a remote cause of
the deaths. You cannot. You are blowing smoke. Your specialty.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media...2005_92_e.html


Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

PeterB wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
Vernon wrote:

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Rich wrote:

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"Vernon" athere@athere wrote in message
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David Wright wrote:

In article ,
Vernon athere@athere wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
ever seen.

As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
behavioral science,
You're not sure which?
He skipped that class.
Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.

I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with
no education and I just identified two of them.
Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
"negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying attention.
I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer? I
know it!

(And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist with
autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)


Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged.
So you work with people who charge money to play games.

After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists spout
(no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general
ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in
teaching) and then changed to Engineering.
That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
you don't speak German.

I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?

When you and your ilk start actually providing science based information
and stop your antics of marginalization, the attacks will stop. You do
have the power. However, I do not expect you to use it, as you know your
audience is for the science illiterate.

Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much
damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm.
They usually don't do it on purpose or with knowledge. They just have a
self agrandizing group of coherts.


-Janna
--
Respite Worker, Calgary, Alberta

Officially diagnosed ADHD February 11, 2005

"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal." - Albert Camus
"I want to remake the world; anything less is not worth the trouble." -
Karen Cushman

http://comautworld.blogspot.com

PeterB wrote:
Vernon wrote:
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
ever seen.
From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say.
No, it means I have seen a lot of trash and a lot of cons. I recognize
them right away.

As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
behavioral science,
Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking
government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers?
Before AND during.


I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and
a money making scam.
Sure it is...

UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash.
Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately
function in society.
Oh, boy.

Drugs are the answer to everything.
Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can
help.
Some Meds CHANGE behavior. Those meds are classed as drugs. Alcohol is in
the same class.

It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and
strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to
take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There
is no logic to change their mind.
That is an absurd analogy.
See above answer.

When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and
get a lot of sympathy.
Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when
appropriate.
To the people who decide they can't cope or are TAUGHT that they can't cope,
alcohol is one of the answers. Alcohol dependancy IS drug dependancy and
V.V.

The analagy is precisely right on.
There is no logic to change their mind.
Nope. The analogy sucks.
Like I said; There is no logic to change their mind.


Absolutely pitiful.

How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that,
except to use as a failure excuse.
Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect
there.
I didn't mention the completely misleading and thus nefarious presentation
in their little "test".
The two giveaway traits in the "test" we
1. The completely ambiguous choices, never or seldom, sometimes, often, very
often. The same activity to different people would result in totally
different answers. Once a year to some would be never and others often.

2. Take this to your Doctor. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I showed the test to four different doctors in four different fields and
they couldn't believe the stupidity of the test and especially couldn't
believe that any respectable doctor would even bother to take it seriously.

ADHD: Poor little me, I can't cope.
I'm fed up with my kid and I'm going to drug it. Alcohol is frowned upon,
so I'll find a sympathetic (nefarious) Doctor and get a drug.

I don't know why they don't call Ritalin "Amphetakids," it would sell
even better.

When it is commonly prescribed as a generic...absurd.

Moron.

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PeterB wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
Vernon wrote:

"Janna Hoskin" wrote in message
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Rich wrote:

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"Vernon" athere@athere wrote in message
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David Wright wrote:

In article ,
Vernon athere@athere wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I
have
ever seen.

As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
behavioral science,
You're not sure which?
He skipped that class.
Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.

I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
with
no education and I just identified two of them.
Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
"negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying
attention.
I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science
OR
psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I
answer? I
know it!

(And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
with
autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)


Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged.
So you work with people who charge money to play games.

After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists
spout
(no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general
ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in
teaching) and then changed to Engineering.
That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
you don't speak German.

I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?

When you and your ilk start actually providing science based information
and stop your antics of marginalization, the attacks will stop. You do
have the power. However, I do not expect you to use it, as you know your
audience is for the science illiterate.


Yes, he addresses you and johndoe entirely too often and seems to continualy
expect cogent responses.
Sometimes I wonder about him.

I know that one way (as you say) to cause many to go ballistic is to claim
that one actually has a science education. I realize that, in itself, gives
no basis for knowledge in a particular science feild, but it is quite
obvious that some have zero science education or experience.

It is paramount to me going to a news group on law or litigation techniques
and blowing off. Even though I have had a LOT of experience with (not in)
that feild as a consultant or reprentative, I have enough knowledge in it to
know that I am grossly ignorant, except to always state truth and facts for
the least probable problems.



Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as
much
damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly
harm.
They usually don't do it on purpose or with knowledge. They just have
a
self agrandizing group of coherts.


-Janna
--
Respite Worker, Calgary, Alberta

Officially diagnosed ADHD February 11, 2005

"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to
be
normal." - Albert Camus
"I want to remake the world; anything less is not worth the
trouble." -
Karen Cushman

http://comautworld.blogspot.com

"JohnDoe" Wrote:
Vernon wrote:

"Janna Hoskin" wrote in message
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Rich wrote:

"Rich" wrote

"Mark Probert" wrote

David Wright wrote:



"Mark Probert" wrote
http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

Story. Anecdote.

©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Sumbuny wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

Story. Anecdote.

©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania

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PeterB wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
Vernon wrote:

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Rich wrote:

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"Vernon" athere@athere wrote in message
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David Wright wrote:

In article ,
Vernon athere@athere wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I
have
ever seen.

As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
behavioral science,
You're not sure which?
He skipped that class.
Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.

I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
with
no education and I just identified two of them.
Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
"negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying
attention.
I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science
OR
psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I
answer? I
know it!

(And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
with
autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)


Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged.
So you work with people who charge money to play games.

After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists
spout
(no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general
ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in
teaching) and then changed to Engineering.
That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
you don't speak German.

I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?

When you and your ilk start actually providing science based information
and stop your antics of marginalization, the attacks will stop.

Oh, my where have I heard that before?

Mark posted to push drugs. From a DRUG company.

Story. Anecdote.

©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania

Shall I post his history of *anecdotes*?