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Would you spank in this situation?
"Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... Betty wrote This mom needs a good spanking to teach her how to act. Clearly Betty believes in the efficacy of spanking! Thanks Betty! Now Greg, let's not get all cocky and crude, as is your usual way. I have never said that I did not agree with spanking...or, ore the the point, I didn't disagree with others doing so. I used to spank, and I believe I made it clear that I od not any longer because I see no need for it after learning some behavior modification technics. Isn't that so, Greg? |
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Would you spank in this situation?
On 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, dragonsgirl wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane wrote Just for fun check out the alcoholism rates for France sometime, dummy. 1. The USA is not France. No kidding? 2. Are statistics more important than a parents right to teach as they see fit? You pointed out that giving wine to kids is done often in France, he pointed out that the stats for alocoholism in France may be high. Common practice vs Negative outcome. Make sense? Except that he might be lying, as usual. Why don't you look up the stats and see if Kane is telling the truth? Here is my simple search using google: Alcoholism in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics) Britain (United Kingdom) 3,345,910 60,270,708 for UK2 Belgium 574,481 10,348,2762 France 3,354,432 60,424,2132 Ireland 220,368 3,969,5582 Luxembourg 25,686 462,6902 Monaco 1,791 32,2702 Netherlands (Holland) 905,900 16,318,1992 United Kingdom 3,345,910 60,270,7082 Wales 161,991 2,918,0002 Wanna look up the stats for good old USA? ;-) Why no source cite and link, Monkeyboy? 0:- What? Can't use that "formidable research skill" of yours, Neverspanked boy? ;-) Your source is not my homework, boy. Provide it or be seen again, as wearing no clothes and flinging ****. 0:- Hihihi! **** coming out of your mouth again! Doan |
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Would you spank in this situation?
Doan wrote:
On 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, dragonsgirl wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane wrote Just for fun check out the alcoholism rates for France sometime, dummy. 1. The USA is not France. No kidding? 2. Are statistics more important than a parents right to teach as they see fit? You pointed out that giving wine to kids is done often in France, he pointed out that the stats for alocoholism in France may be high. Common practice vs Negative outcome. Make sense? Except that he might be lying, as usual. Why don't you look up the stats and see if Kane is telling the truth? Here is my simple search using google: Alcoholism in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics) Britain (United Kingdom) 3,345,910 60,270,708 for UK2 Belgium 574,481 10,348,2762 France 3,354,432 60,424,2132 Ireland 220,368 3,969,5582 Luxembourg 25,686 462,6902 Monaco 1,791 32,2702 Netherlands (Holland) 905,900 16,318,1992 United Kingdom 3,345,910 60,270,7082 Wales 161,991 2,918,0002 Wanna look up the stats for good old USA? ;-) Why no source cite and link, Monkeyboy? 0:- What? Can't use that "formidable research skill" of yours, Neverspanked boy? ;-) Your source is not my homework, boy. Provide it or be seen again, as wearing no clothes and flinging ****. 0:- Hihihi! **** coming out of your mouth again! Compared to the fact YOU did not prove that the French have overcome the drunkenness problem by "teaching" their children how to drink responsibly. R R R R R R R Doan I see you still won't provide a citation for your source. What are you afraid of? 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Would you spank in this situation?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: On 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, dragonsgirl wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane wrote Just for fun check out the alcoholism rates for France sometime, dummy. 1. The USA is not France. No kidding? 2. Are statistics more important than a parents right to teach as they see fit? You pointed out that giving wine to kids is done often in France, he pointed out that the stats for alocoholism in France may be high. Common practice vs Negative outcome. Make sense? Except that he might be lying, as usual. Why don't you look up the stats and see if Kane is telling the truth? Here is my simple search using google: Alcoholism in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics) Britain (United Kingdom) 3,345,910 60,270,708 for UK2 Belgium 574,481 10,348,2762 France 3,354,432 60,424,2132 Ireland 220,368 3,969,5582 Luxembourg 25,686 462,6902 Monaco 1,791 32,2702 Netherlands (Holland) 905,900 16,318,1992 United Kingdom 3,345,910 60,270,7082 Wales 161,991 2,918,0002 Wanna look up the stats for good old USA? ;-) Why no source cite and link, Monkeyboy? 0:- What? Can't use that "formidable research skill" of yours, Neverspanked boy? ;-) Your source is not my homework, boy. Provide it or be seen again, as wearing no clothes and flinging ****. 0:- Hihihi! **** coming out of your mouth again! Compared to the fact YOU did not prove that the French have overcome the drunkenness problem by "teaching" their children how to drink responsibly. R R R R R R R Nice try! I've never claimed that, STUPID! Doan I see you still won't provide a citation for your source. What are you afraid of? Where your citation for the French drunkenness problem, the New England Journal of Medicine? ;-) AF |
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Would you spank in this situation?
"dragonsgirl" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... Betty wrote This mom needs a good spanking to teach her how to act. Clearly Betty believes in the efficacy of spanking! Thanks Betty! Now Greg, let's not get all cocky and crude, as is your usual way. I have never said that I did not agree with spanking...or, ore the the point, I didn't disagree with others doing so. I used to spank, and I believe I made it clear that I od not any longer because I see no need for it after learning some behavior modification technics. Isn't that so, Greg? Spanking is and of itself a behavior modification technique. The difference in the frame of the discussion is, is it being applied by a vengeful/angry parent or a parent who is trying to modify behavior? Ron |
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Would you spank in this situation?
"Ron" wrote in message news:2wKHg.12964$ok5.4754@dukeread01... "dragonsgirl" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... Betty wrote This mom needs a good spanking to teach her how to act. Clearly Betty believes in the efficacy of spanking! Thanks Betty! Now Greg, let's not get all cocky and crude, as is your usual way. I have never said that I did not agree with spanking...or, ore the the point, I didn't disagree with others doing so. I used to spank, and I believe I made it clear that I od not any longer because I see no need for it after learning some behavior modification technics. Isn't that so, Greg? Spanking is and of itself a behavior modification technique. The difference in the frame of the discussion is, is it being applied by a vengeful/angry parent or a parent who is trying to modify behavior? Ron Regardless of how it applies to this discussion, I do not feel a need to spank anymore. I find that other types of discipline work rather effectively, and spanking isn't at all as useful as I had once thought it was. |
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Would you spank in this situation?
"dragonsgirl" wrote in message m... "Ron" wrote in message news:2wKHg.12964$ok5.4754@dukeread01... "dragonsgirl" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... Betty wrote This mom needs a good spanking to teach her how to act. Clearly Betty believes in the efficacy of spanking! Thanks Betty! Now Greg, let's not get all cocky and crude, as is your usual way. I have never said that I did not agree with spanking...or, ore the the point, I didn't disagree with others doing so. I used to spank, and I believe I made it clear that I od not any longer because I see no need for it after learning some behavior modification technics. Isn't that so, Greg? Spanking is and of itself a behavior modification technique. The difference in the frame of the discussion is, is it being applied by a vengeful/angry parent or a parent who is trying to modify behavior? Ron Regardless of how it applies to this discussion, I do not feel a need to spank anymore. Well, then thats your decision. Congratulations. I find that other types of discipline work rather effectively, and spanking isn't at all as useful as I had once thought it was. I find it quite useful, but only use it when it is required. Each individual must make their own decisions about parenting and discipline. I don't slight anyone for making these decisions as long as they do so for reasons that are in the best interests of their child(ren). What I object to is someone trying to foist their opinion of what is and is not good parenting on the parents of this country through legislation. I also object to those who have a bit of education trying to use it to browbeat us parents into believing that their limited education is more valid than 20,000+ years of historical experience and fact. Ron |
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Would you spank in this situation?
Doan wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, dragonsgirl wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane wrote Just for fun check out the alcoholism rates for France sometime, dummy. 1. The USA is not France. No kidding? 2. Are statistics more important than a parents right to teach as they see fit? You pointed out that giving wine to kids is done often in France, he pointed out that the stats for alocoholism in France may be high. Common practice vs Negative outcome. Make sense? Except that he might be lying, as usual. Why don't you look up the stats and see if Kane is telling the truth? Here is my simple search using google: Alcoholism in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics) Britain (United Kingdom) 3,345,910 60,270,708 for UK2 Belgium 574,481 10,348,2762 France 3,354,432 60,424,2132 Ireland 220,368 3,969,5582 Luxembourg 25,686 462,6902 Monaco 1,791 32,2702 Netherlands (Holland) 905,900 16,318,1992 United Kingdom 3,345,910 60,270,7082 Wales 161,991 2,918,0002 Wanna look up the stats for good old USA? ;-) Why no source cite and link, Monkeyboy? 0:- What? Can't use that "formidable research skill" of yours, Neverspanked boy? ;-) Your source is not my homework, boy. Provide it or be seen again, as wearing no clothes and flinging ****. 0:- Hihihi! **** coming out of your mouth again! Compared to the fact YOU did not prove that the French have overcome the drunkenness problem by "teaching" their children how to drink responsibly. R R R R R R R Nice try! I've never claimed that, STUPID! Oh, then why did you post the list of countries data? Doan I see you still won't provide a citation for your source. What are you afraid of? Where your citation for the French drunkenness problem, the New England Journal of Medicine? ;-) http://www.aaw.com/under/four.html "Parent cultures? Both French and Italian children commonly grow up with wine as a table beverage. Again, the French alcoholism rate is many times higher than the Italian, this in spite of the Italians drinking about the same amount of alcohol per capita. To the drink counters this difference in alcoholism rates disappears into per capita equivalence." http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/full/36/1/89 "According to the HCSP (Chevalier and Lambrozo, 1990Go), five million persons are at medical, psychological and social risk through excessive alcohol consumption, i.e. 15% of the population aged over 18 years (high estimate). According to the health survey of 1991–1992 conducted by the French Public Statistical Office (INSEE) (Tellier, 1996Go), 16% of men consume more than five drinks a day, and 5% of women more than three drinks a day, i.e. 10% of the population are considered as heavy drinkers (low estimate). Table 1Go shows the AAF for an alcohol abuse prevalence of 10% (low-bound estimate). Most of these health disorders stem directly from alcohol abuse, i.e. AAF = 100%. These calculations were repeated for a prevalence of 15% (high estimate)." So now. Would YOU like to take a position? Or are you just Monkeying around? R R R R R R R R R R AF -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Would you spank in this situation?
"Ron" wrote in message news:rYKHg.12966$ok5.2754@dukeread01... "dragonsgirl" wrote in message m... "Ron" wrote in message news:2wKHg.12964$ok5.4754@dukeread01... "dragonsgirl" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... Betty wrote This mom needs a good spanking to teach her how to act. Clearly Betty believes in the efficacy of spanking! Thanks Betty! Now Greg, let's not get all cocky and crude, as is your usual way. I have never said that I did not agree with spanking...or, ore the the point, I didn't disagree with others doing so. I used to spank, and I believe I made it clear that I od not any longer because I see no need for it after learning some behavior modification technics. Isn't that so, Greg? Spanking is and of itself a behavior modification technique. The difference in the frame of the discussion is, is it being applied by a vengeful/angry parent or a parent who is trying to modify behavior? Ron Regardless of how it applies to this discussion, I do not feel a need to spank anymore. Well, then thats your decision. Congratulations. I find that other types of discipline work rather effectively, and spanking isn't at all as useful as I had once thought it was. I find it quite useful, but only use it when it is required. Each individual must make their own decisions about parenting and discipline. I don't slight anyone for making these decisions as long as they do so for reasons that are in the best interests of their child(ren). I agree with you to a point...some parents was to take the 'friend' approach. Yes, 'friends' who give their kids alcohol, let them have sex at home, etc etc. Other than that, yeah, I agree...others can raise kids as they please, and you will note that I rarely make comment on spanking in general because I don't care much if others do spank. What I object to is someone trying to foist their opinion of what is and is not good parenting on the parents of this country through legislation. I also object to those who have a bit of education trying to use it to browbeat us parents into believing that their limited education is more valid than 20,000+ years of historical experience and fact. Ron |
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Would you spank in this situation?
Doan wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 25 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, dragonsgirl wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane wrote Just for fun check out the alcoholism rates for France sometime, dummy. 1. The USA is not France. No kidding? 2. Are statistics more important than a parents right to teach as they see fit? You pointed out that giving wine to kids is done often in France, he pointed out that the stats for alocoholism in France may be high. Common practice vs Negative outcome. Make sense? Except that he might be lying, as usual. Why don't you look up the stats and see if Kane is telling the truth? Here is my simple search using google: Alcoholism in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics) Britain (United Kingdom) 3,345,910 60,270,708 for UK2 Belgium 574,481 10,348,2762 France 3,354,432 60,424,2132 Ireland 220,368 3,969,5582 Luxembourg 25,686 462,6902 Monaco 1,791 32,2702 Netherlands (Holland) 905,900 16,318,1992 United Kingdom 3,345,910 60,270,7082 Wales 161,991 2,918,0002 Wanna look up the stats for good old USA? ;-) Why no source cite and link, Monkeyboy? 0:- What? Can't use that "formidable research skill" of yours, Neverspanked boy? ;-) Your source is not my homework, boy. Provide it or be seen again, as wearing no clothes and flinging ****. 0:- Hihihi! **** coming out of your mouth again! Compared to the fact YOU did not prove that the French have overcome the drunkenness problem by "teaching" their children how to drink responsibly. R R R R R R R Nice try! I've never claimed that, STUPID! Doan I see you still won't provide a citation for your source. What are you afraid of? Where your citation for the French drunkenness problem, the New England Journal of Medicine? ;-) http://www.paris-anglo.com/dedent/de...anslive/81.php "The need to "let loose" or partake in anti-social behavior is not as prevalent in France, mostly in that the culture is socially less repressed in general. It has been estimated that the average French person over 20 years old consumes an average of 53 grams (1.87 ounces) of pure alcohol per day, making him a participant in an impressive percentage: the French remain the world´s heaviest consumers of alcohol per capita after the Luxembourgeois. Wine is still served with both lunch and dinner in many families, but the meal is no longer considered incomplete without it (see Wine). Alcoholism in France is responsible for 17,000 deaths a year, caused more by cheap red wine than hard alcohol, and it is a phenomenon which is vastly more common in rural and slum areas." Wanna bet those Luxembourgers also "teach" their children "responsible drinking" young? Ever been to Europe, Dummy? 0:- AF -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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