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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
On Jul 23, 6:10 pm, Peter Bowditch wrote:
bigvince wrote: On Jul 23, 9:07 am, Peter Bowditch wrote: GMCarter wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:22:37 GMT, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. Yes. And any time a drug is named in a clinical trial, one can be pretty sure that the study is merely a tool for future marketing of the product. Actually, what you really want to look for is who sponsored the study. If it is a company that has an interest in the outcome, you can bet that indeed, data are spun to SELL and have almost NOTHING to do with health outcomes or wisest use of an intervention. George M. Carter It was sponsored by the very eye Q people who made the potion. -- - Show quoted text - Fish oil is what the study talked about. Not a specific brand. Please site some creditable source for your statement I'll cite BigVince: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. You really try hard to look foolish, don't you? Actually, he makes it look very easy. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
On Jul 23, 9:50 am, "D." wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:22 pm, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. I only look seriously at those pieces of research that DO list a specific product, when it talks about natural products or supplements like fish oil. There are so many variables in the production and content of commercial fish oil, for example, or herbal dietary supplements (which can vary even more, one from another) that I'd only feel confident buying the brand that was used in the trial (if it was a legitimate piece of research). I'd agree with you Mark, 100%, about pharmaceutical trials. When some brand name drug is used in the trial, something is fishy indeed. Dave Dave lets not overlook the children that this may help. as the article noted ' " The number of hyperactive children on medication is soaring, with a staggering 330,000 prescriptions written out each year, or 6,350 a week. Nine British children have died after taking the drugs. Two died of heart problems, while others suffered illnesses including strokes and swelling of the brain. Dr Timimi, a consultant child and adolescent psychiatrist at Lincolnshire NHS Trust, said: 'Drugs like Ritalin have considerable dangers associated with them, including insomnia, changes in personality and cardiotoxicity - they are bad for the heart and can cause heart attacks, strokes and sudden death. 'It must be preferable to that.' Nick Giovannelli(CORR), of the Hyperactive Children's Support Group, urged parents to consider using natural alternatives to Ritalin. He said: 'GPs seem to be too quick to prescribe medication. 'This new study adds to the mounting evidence that nutrition is safer and more effective than stimulant medication.' According to Dr. .Timmini these drugs have 'considerable dangers' associated with them .How any sales rep could overlook and minimise these dangers speaks to the nature of this industry. Parents fortunately are able to evaluate for themselfs. Thanks Vince |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugsfor ADHD
GMCarter wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:22:37 GMT, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. Yes. And any time a drug is named in a clinical trial, one can be pretty sure that the study is merely a tool for future marketing of the product. Nope. Many trials are post market. Actually, what you really want to look for is who sponsored the study. If it is a company that has an interest in the outcome, you can bet that indeed, data are spun to SELL and have almost NOTHING to do with health outcomes or wisest use of an intervention. Perhaps, sometimes. |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugsfor ADHD
bigvince wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:07 am, Peter Bowditch wrote: GMCarter wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:22:37 GMT, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. Yes. And any time a drug is named in a clinical trial, one can be pretty sure that the study is merely a tool for future marketing of the product. Actually, what you really want to look for is who sponsored the study. If it is a company that has an interest in the outcome, you can bet that indeed, data are spun to SELL and have almost NOTHING to do with health outcomes or wisest use of an intervention. George M. Carter It was sponsored by the very eye Q people who made the potion. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Fish oil is what the study talked about. Not a specific brand. Please site some creditable source for your statement Vinnie...there goes your credibility and comprehension problems. Obviously, you either did not read the article you posted, or, you did not understand it. The article said: "The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD." See the nice pretty bottles: http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Product/eyeQ.htm There have been numerous "studies" by the manufacturer. All bull**** designed to promote sales. |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugsfor ADHD
bigvince wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:21 am, GMCarter wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:22:37 GMT, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. Yes. And any time a drug is named in a clinical trial, one can be pretty sure that the study is merely a tool for future marketing of the product. Actually, what you really want to look for is who sponsored the study. If it is a company that has an interest in the outcome, you can bet that indeed, data are spun to SELL and have almost NOTHING to do with health outcomes or wisest use of an intervention. George M. Carter George you are Entirely correct. fish oil is not a patented drug and the study referred to the benefitof fish oil . The fact is, idiot, that the study was by a manufacturer of a specific brand. If you had any ability to comprehend what you read, you would know that. The other comment by Probert is very true when talking about patented drugs such as ritalin; Incorrect. For the past 10 years I have seen that the vast majority of the studies on methylpheniate are sponsored by NIMH. vioxx; ketek and other dangerous drugs where all the relavent studys are sponsered by the maker. A real potential to 'cook the data' studys on natural foods after all fish oil is a food provide no such economic incentive. Thanks Vince |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugsfor ADHD
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On Jul 22, 8:22 pm, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. I only look seriously at those pieces of research that DO list a specific product, when it talks about natural products or supplements like fish oil. There are so many variables in the production and content of commercial fish oil, for example, or herbal dietary supplements (which can vary even more, one from another) that I'd only feel confident buying the brand that was used in the trial (if it was a legitimate piece of research). A few years ago there was a report that even in the same bottle, concentrations varied by a factor of 10. I'd agree with you Mark, 100%, about pharmaceutical trials. When some brand name drug is used in the trial, something is fishy indeed. Sometimes, only the brand name is available. Methylphenidate is well studied, and the generics are used. |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
Mark Probert wrote:
D. wrote: On Jul 22, 8:22 pm, Mark Probert wrote: bigvince wrote: The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD. Any time a specific brand name substance is used, one should suspect that something is fishy. I only look seriously at those pieces of research that DO list a specific product, when it talks about natural products or supplements like fish oil. There are so many variables in the production and content of commercial fish oil, for example, or herbal dietary supplements (which can vary even more, one from another) that I'd only feel confident buying the brand that was used in the trial (if it was a legitimate piece of research). A few years ago there was a report that even in the same bottle, concentrations varied by a factor of 10. I'd agree with you Mark, 100%, about pharmaceutical trials. When some brand name drug is used in the trial, something is fishy indeed. Sometimes, only the brand name is available. Methylphenidate is well studied, and the generics are used. And if there are generics --- the patent must have expired! So much for the idiocy about making millions from patented medicine as against unpatented foodstuffs. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:10:47 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote: It was sponsored by the very eye Q people who made the potion. "Potion"? Fish oil? Anyway, where is the support for your claim? Perhaps "eye Q" merely donated the product for the study. Or perhaps they funded the study. The article here doesn't say that as far as I can see. So you claim it was sponsored by the eye Q people. What do you have to back that claim? Do you have a copy of the original paper? Love to see it! And you bet--I think ANYONE with a kid with ADHD should try fish oil before ritalin or other such horrifically toxic, overpriced stuff...that should be the LAST resort. Don't you think so? George M. Carter |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:41:30 GMT, Mark Probert
wrote: snip Vinnie...there goes your credibility and comprehension problems. Obviously, you either did not read the article you posted, or, you did not understand it. The article said: "The Australian researchers looked at the effect of eye q (CORR) fish oil capsules on a group seven to 12-year-olds with ADHD." See the nice pretty bottles: http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Product/eyeQ.htm There have been numerous "studies" by the manufacturer. All bull**** designed to promote sales. Probert, there goes your credibility. As if you had any...but that statement merely states WHAT was used in the study. Perhaps they did sponsor the study. Perhaps they merely donated product. I hardly think that donating product compares to the kind of invidious **** pharma pulls on universities, preventing them from publishing negative data or spinning data when they sponsor a study! But perhaps you, like Bowditch, have other information? Or do you merely project your nonsense in order to defend the sales of drugs? Profit over life and health, right Mark? George M. Carter |
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New study shows fish oil safe and effective alternative to drugs for ADHD
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:45:09 GMT, Mark Probert
wrote: snip The fact is, idiot, that the study was by a manufacturer of a specific brand. If you had any ability to comprehend what you read, you would know that. Well, "idiot' the STUDY was conducted at the University of Adelaide. You have provided no evidence that the study was funded by the fish oil industry.... The other comment by Probert is very true when talking about patented drugs such as ritalin; Incorrect. For the past 10 years I have seen that the vast majority of the studies on methylpheniate are sponsored by NIMH. LOL...this may well be true--but only goes to undercut the ****ing lies of pharma that they spend so goddamn much on R&D to justify their outrageous, rapacious and economically genocidal pricing of drugs. US consumers pay TWICE. I think we SHOULD have good studies--with STRONG conflicts of interest laws--done by NIH. That's fine...but the NIH and FDA are in the revolving door pocket of pharma. Data are distorted...licenses handed over...and the prices charged by pharma for having done VERY little, especially after tax breaks, then in turn help destroy the US "healthcare system." Really SiCKO. George M. Carter |
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