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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:11:16 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote: ..... ... I don't believe that men should have the option of running around having sex, creating children, and moving on-- It is *impossible* for men to create children. It can be argued that men are responsible for women getting pregnant (if you assume that the woman is a mindless cow who doesn't realise having sex means having a chance of getting pregnant) -- but that is all men are capable of doing. Once a woman is pregnant she, and only she, is the one who creates the child. It is her body and she is the only one with the choice as to whether or not a child will be created (assuming she has a mental age greater than six years old.) but I also don't believe that women should bhave the option of bringing child after child into the world with no intention of ever supporting them-- Women always have had that option. They only way to take it away from women is to have forced abortions -- to make unauthorized pregnancy a crime. and expecting taxpayers to pick up the slack if they can't stick the man with the expenses. If you want to know what is behind anything, just follow the money. We need a better solution--this one obviously is not working. Works a lot better than anything else we've tried. What is your solution? |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:26:50 GMT, "CafeWriter"
wrote: ..... You're wrong. I've had gone through a tubal ligation surgery and there was no complications at all. Try again. You are not everyone. http://ccli.org/nfp/contraception/tubal.php "A review of the literature on post-tubal ligation problems by Drs. Joel Hargrove and Guy Abraham revealed an incidence of long-term complications in as many as 22 to 37% of sterilized women." |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Robert" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:42:45 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote in message egroups.com... On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are the women Gina Knows. I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs. Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!! Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom, unless he has absolute faith in his partner. The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the woman he is taking pleasure from. Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. You grow up, a responsible man doesn't father a child. Guess YOUR father wasn't responsible. Are you a father too? Especially with a slut he would never marry. Making a living is a full time job, as is raising a child. With a partner to share child care, and earning a income, helps a lot. But I agree anyone not able or willing to raise a child, should not become a parent, whether male or female. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:42:45 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote in message egroups.com... On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are the women Gina Knows. I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs. Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!! Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom, unless he has absolute faith in his partner. The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the woman he is taking pleasure from. Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. You grow up, a responsible man doesn't father a child. Especially with a slut he would never marry. Making a living is a full time job, as is raising a child. With a partner to share child care, and earning a income, helps a lot. But I agree anyone not able or willing to raise a child, should not become a parent, whether male or female. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:45:28 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05... "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. == G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman? == .......................... no man has ever died from a vasectomy. == And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. And more research . . .. Intraoperative complications such as: Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures. Blood transfusions A life-threatening event Death Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as: Febrile morbidity Rehospitalization Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery. == You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely rare) do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite entertaining tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....? With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely chastity is still a choice! Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other women. Surely you are not saying that letting a man screw you is the price of dinner and a movie. Eeeeew! What kind of scummy crowd do you run with? Realty check, if a woman doesn't have sex after a few dates, there won't be any more dates. And the men will warn other men she is a teaser. On the other hand men that don't try, will find them selves dateless. Unless they find the teasers. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Robert" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:55:53 -0700, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05... "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. == G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman? == .......................... no man has ever died from a vasectomy. == And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. And more research . . .. Intraoperative complications such as: Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures. Blood transfusions A life-threatening event Death Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as: Febrile morbidity Rehospitalization Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery. == You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely rare) do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite entertaining tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....? With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely chastity is still a choice! Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other women. Surely you are not saying that letting a man screw you is the price of dinner and a movie. Eeeeew! What kind of scummy crowd do you run with? In my younger days I found there were women who would come right out and tell you they would "make it worth your time" if you'd come over for dinner, or a glass of wine, or whatever. I had one knock on my door unexpectedly and tell me she came over to "give herself to me." Why would any man want to pay for a dinner and a movie when you don't have to? Men learn quickly what kinds of women to tell "No thanks" to when they offer up their bodies for free. Those women can't handle it when a man turns them down. I've had women tell me I was gay because I wouldn't take what they were giving away. :-) Or tell other women that you aren't man enough to take what you want? But seriously, my point is men have the right to choose who they have sex with and who they don't have sex with and staying away from the easy lays is a good strategy for men to protect themselves from lots of problems. Thank you Bob! Now go back and read the post that caused you to label me Comrade. Wasn't me. Not my style to be a name caller. |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:55:53 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05... "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. == G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman? == .......................... no man has ever died from a vasectomy. == And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. And more research . . .. Intraoperative complications such as: Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures. Blood transfusions A life-threatening event Death Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as: Febrile morbidity Rehospitalization Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery. == You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely rare) do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite entertaining tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....? With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely chastity is still a choice! Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other women. Surely you are not saying that letting a man screw you is the price of dinner and a movie. Eeeeew! What kind of scummy crowd do you run with? In my younger days I found there were women who would come right out and tell you they would "make it worth your time" if you'd come over for dinner, or a glass of wine, or whatever. I had one knock on my door unexpectedly and tell me she came over to "give herself to me." Why would any man want to pay for a dinner and a movie when you don't have to? Men learn quickly what kinds of women to tell "No thanks" to when they offer up their bodies for free. Those women can't handle it when a man turns them down. I've had women tell me I was gay because I wouldn't take what they were giving away. :-) Or tell other women that you aren't man enough to take what you want? But seriously, my point is men have the right to choose who they have sex with and who they don't have sex with and staying away from the easy lays is a good strategy for men to protect themselves from lots of problems. Thank you Bob! Now go back and read the post that caused you to label me Comrade. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:26:50 GMT, "CafeWriter"
wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05... "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. == G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman? == .......................... no man has ever died from a vasectomy. == And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. And more research . . .. Intraoperative complications such as: Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures. Blood transfusions A life-threatening event Death Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as: Febrile morbidity Rehospitalization Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery. == You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely rare) do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite entertaining tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....? With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely chastity is still a choice! Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other women. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com You're wrong. I've had gone through a tubal ligation surgery and there was no complications at all. Try again. This is true for most tube tying operations. But there have been problems with the surgery, and a few women have died as a result. Any surgery has risk, including abortion. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:28:29 GMT, "CafeWriter"
wrote: "Ray Fischer" wrote in message .. . elizabeth wrote: "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men, especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a vasectomy. That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of an infection. -- Ray Fischer Um... I have had a tubal ligation and I'm still alive! But some women have died from the surgery, **** happens. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:41:26 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote: "CafeWriter" wrote in message news:0jESh.49601$aG1.49335@pd7urf3no... "DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. Many who are 35 and older and should know better too! Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible for pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese. Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this! Then why are men and women not held equally responsible by the system? Because the system has been run by men for centuries. And many women still vote for men that despise them. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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