Wouldn't Want To Go To School Today

On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:55:01 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:

At the risk of sounding corny and fundamental to you slick types, do
unto others .....

Had a nice student today who apologized for the way the rest of his
class had acted.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

toto wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:55:01 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:

At the risk of sounding corny and fundamental to you slick types, do
unto others .....

Had a nice student today who apologized for the way the rest of his
class had acted.




I think I know of one case sort of like this. The father of the baby was
also the father of the mother; there was incest involved. The father
gave the baby to his wife and told her to raise him as his own.
Strangely enough (if this is not strange enough), the there were no
obvious genetic problems (e.g., mental retardation involved).

Jeff

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:48:24 GMT, toto wrote:

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.

Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.

All your excuses do not cover up fact that far less OOW in 1950s.

Anyway, original point above does not pertain to teen mothers but to
single parent households regardless of age of parent. Single parent
household in 50s were -- how you say -- few-and-far-between.

Jeff wrote:


I think I know of one case sort of like this. The father of the baby was
also the father of the mother; there was incest involved. The father
gave the baby to his wife and told her to raise him as his own.
Strangely enough (if this is not strange enough), the there were no
obvious genetic problems (e.g., mental retardation involved).

Not to condone incest at all, since there's a whole host
of other reasons why it's a Bad Thing, but the odds of obvious
genetic issues as a result of isolated incidents of incest really
aren't all that high. They're higher than with non-related parents,
but most children would be genetically normal. Odds get a lot
higher if there's a pattern of incest, which is probably at least
one reason why incest is taboo in most cultures.

Best wishes,
Ericka

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:47 GMT, (Vladimir Tschenko)
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:48:24 GMT, toto wrote:

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.

Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.

All your excuses do not cover up fact that far less OOW in 1950s.

What excuses? I knew many teenage girls who got pregnant in the 50s.

Anyway, original point above does not pertain to teen mothers but to
single parent households regardless of age of parent. Single parent
household in 50s were -- how you say -- few-and-far-between.

These were OOWs despite the fact that the children were not
necessarily brought up in single parent families.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.


Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.



Hmm... remember recently reading a blurb on Jack Nicholson - which
mentioned that he only found out in the 1970's that his older "sister"
was actually his mother......

Martin

Vladimir Tschenko wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:48:24 GMT, toto wrote:


On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.

Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.


All your excuses do not cover up fact that far less OOW in 1950s.

Anyway, original point above does not pertain to teen mothers but to
single parent households regardless of age of parent. Single parent
household in 50s were -- how you say -- few-and-far-between.


How many were there in the later 1800's / early 1900's? I'm thinking of
the documentry that I recently watched on "The Orphan Trains"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_trains

Where the Children's Aid Society helped relocate somewhere around
200,000 children during the period of 1854 ~ 1929... and that was just
the ones from New York and the surrounding areas... there apparently
were other similar groups that operated out of other cities.....

I find it difficult to imagine that somehow between 1929 (lets even it
out and say 1930) and 1950 (2 decades) that people got their acts
together enough that things such as teens getting pregnant, or unwed
mothers were all that uncommon.....

There was an episode on PBS "History Detectives" that dealt with Unwed
Mother's Homes.....
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetect...311_unwed.html

Martin

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toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.


Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.



Hmm... remember recently reading a blurb on Jack Nicholson - which
mentioned that he only found out in the 1970's that his older "sister" was
actually his mother......

Martin
I had a friend in high school who discovered that her "sister" was her
mother only after her father died, and she was helping her "mother" sort
through paperwork. She had been told she was adopted, but not who her
biological parents were. And this was the 1980s.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:52:59 GMT, toto wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:47 GMT, (Vladimir Tschenko)
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:48:24 GMT, toto wrote:

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:46:41 GMT, (Way Back Jack)
wrote:


At any rate, back to the 50s, there were a few war widows but single
parents were in the distinct minority.

Often, teenage pregnancies were covered up with the girl going out of
town to have her baby. If she returned with baby, the grandparents or
an aunt and uncle often claimed the baby was theirs and raised it
without the child knowing who the real mother was.

All your excuses do not cover up fact that far less OOW in 1950s.

What excuses? I knew many teenage girls who got pregnant in the 50s.

Vladimir say your experience not microcosm of typicality.

Anyway, original point above does not pertain to teen mothers but to
single parent households regardless of age of parent. Single parent
household in 50s were -- how you say -- few-and-far-between.

These were OOWs despite the fact that the children were not
necessarily brought up in single parent families.

OOWs and single parent households much rarer in1950s.

(Vladimir Tschenko) wrote:
Anyway, original point above does not pertain to teen mothers but to
single parent households regardless of age of parent. Single parent
household in 50s were -- how you say -- few-and-far-between.

Mostly because single mothers usually lived with their extended
families rather than in separate households. There were plenty of
single parent families because the divorce rate had already risen well
before the 1950s

And single parent households were far more common in the 1800s when
early death of one parent or the other was common, even though divorce
was not.

lojbab
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Lojban language www.lojban.org