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Old November 28th 03, 11:46 AM
Kane
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On 28 Nov 2003 04:39:08 GMT, wrote:

(Kane) wrote:
On 27 Nov 2003 08:25:18 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:

When a caseworker swears in an affidavit that
I have a sex abuse history, and I don't,
that should be perjury.

Did they swear you have a sex abuse history,
or that they know you sexually abused?
If I read that you have a history and swear
I read it that is all I'm swearing to, not
that you sexually abused anyone.

No, he swore that I had a sex abuse history,
in reference to the past investigations which
were not only unfounded but also NOT SEXUAL.

Barbeque time, if you really wanted the child back. But hey, don't
listen to Dan, he's just successful. Can't have that, now can we,
Whore. Imagine your difficulty if the child returned.

Dan has offered no useful suggestions on
how to force blood from a stone.

Dan?


You are correct. He has on how to force CPS and the courts to return
children and get abuse findings unfounded.

"Blood from a stone" strongly suggests you are in this for the money.
I've never seen Dan, beyond possibly saying something on the order of
"So sue 'em" offer advice on how to get money out of the state. That's
not was he wishes to do here, if I understand correctly.

So because he won't do what YOU want you won't use what he is good at?

We know that of course, but I thought I'd remind you. 1

At the least, before he SWORE to it, he should
have looked it up on a computer. He did not.

How do you know he didn't?

Because it doesn't exist and I found the old
documents which prove he lied about the past
CPS investigation that found nothing.

And you don't know how to use them other
than to come here screeching "EVIL CPS EVIL CPS?"

Ignored by CPS.


When they are delivered in the manner in which you delivered your
demands in the Motion it is no wonder. I think you were lucky to be
heard at all, if you were.

Ignored in Juvenile Court.


Same as above.

Dan?


I can't answer for Dan but I can give my opinion. You are so obviously
a litiginous little creep, with delusions of getting off the state and
willing ot sacrifice a child and mother connection to do the court is
giving you ZERO credibility. Your "Motion" reeks of it. The deliberate
demands, the pompous pronouncements, the outrageous accusations
against people, the sick language about the grandmother, the things
you write here (it's my bet some worker from your area has heard about
you here and could well have googled your posts, copied and dropped
them off with the court clerk....wouldn't surprize me...it's a free
country after all.)

What a duplicitious thug you are. It's obvious that you don't want
that child back that I'm starting to think you've convinced the

mother
that if she can hold out you are going to make her rich with a

state
settlement.

I would MUCH RATHER put the caseworker who LIED in jail.


Bull****. If I offered you 10 k right now to walk and drop the whole
thing you couldn't pack fast enough. You are too obvious you stinking
Whore.

I'll bet that's it. It fits your profile and your admissions.

Right. In your own anonymous way you determined that.


Yep...right along with a few others that observe you here and make it
plan to you they think the same of you.

What's holdin' you up, besides your ****filled drawers?

CPS always claims the immmunity issue every time
somebody drags them into court for stuff like this.

Well, they can claim a mistake, and if it
wasn't, your lawyer should be able to take them apart.

We haven't seen a lawyer willing to get up off
their state paid arse and do diddly squat.


I haven't seen a "fiance" get up off his lazy unemployed ass, get a
job, and pay for a better lawyer. Have you noticed that yet?

You haven't had a kid there, and NO responsibilities for 2+ years, and
you still won't go out and earn enough to pay a better lawyer.

So much for defending "YOUR, 'family'"

Dedicated, aren't you.

The ones we have seen have been the sorriest
bunch of ass draggers I've ever seen in suits.


Well, check out what they get paid. You are just a stop gap until they
can get into a law firm, or you are pro bono for a more fully employed
lawyer that does public service.

They can claim irrelevance to the claim you are
making, such as THAT is no longer the reason
they are not returning the child.

A tactic you endorse?


It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case, I'd recommend
immediate arrest and a death penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you can milk the state, much
more than you are currently milking the mother.

You are a "bummer calf."

A bully that took the love of a mother from the child, and the support
as well.

I think they have been more than patient with you, asshole,
considering what it's cost the child...I'm reaching the point where I
can't anything but the deepest pity for the mother, or if she knows
what she is doing, the deepest disgust.

I'd say you ought to go for it if you are
sure you have a case. Even if you are not.

I'd love to see what you do in the clinch.

I kinda thought making little girls let you
be their towelboy-shampoogirl and making
them take cold showers had more stink
of voyeurism.

Yes, it would if that was what took place, but it was not.


Says you. You had a hundred other choices about how to handle the
problem. One of which was to let the girl shower herself, after you
left her towels. This is, according to you, a child of nearly genius
capacity.

And even the punishment, you sick ****, could have been different..but
no, it had to be a shower, and you had to bring towels to a child of
six and more, and you had to stand by while she shampooed instead of
simply giving her instructions to go back and rinse the shampoo out.

No, Greeg, you wanted to be there in the bathroom.

You recently popped up with a new bit on
your prior retraining order
history. Brand new stuff to me.

New to me also, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

You didn't talk recently about your wife
or was it a prior "fiance"
having a restraining order against you?

Nope. So it seems these new revelations
you yapped about were just some fairy tale.


Then why did you say, about a domestic violence complaint, to Dan, it
was twice then it was once?

You could have easily, instead of denying the restraining order
admitted it was a domestic violence beef. Why is it you hold out so on
information, teasing, teasing, teasing, until you finally stupidly
blurt it out?

This is a lot like why caseworkers mucking
around in peoples LIVES is a dangerous thing.


How is it "a lot like why" "mucking?"

Somebody who can't keep facts straight and
turns it into glorified gossip can be
extremely dangerous to families.


And a big fat hole out of the system for the child and the parents,
and even for stupid selfish little pricks like you...if that was what
you wanted.

You are looking for something you think you have a chance of sueing
for...and no matter the cost to mother and child.

highly likely fact.

Here's a "thinking error" again.


Speculation is not a ""thinking error."" That is why I used the word
"likely."

As long as you post here, trying to convince us,
and possibly yourself, that you are the victim
in the mother/child/CPS escapade you
will blow it and spill more.

You are carefull, and neurotically, building
around yourself, lying to yourself, a victim
state of mind so that you can keep your
indignation quotient up for your suit against CPS.

I did not MAKE CPS side with a Prozac patient against us.
I did not MAKE CPS fabricate a ""Sex Abuse History".


You love it. You love it. You can't and don't want to counter it. You
just are ragingly frustrated that you can't figure out how to make it
a civil case. Poor little Greegor.

We have both admitted that there are things we could
have done better.


I should hope.

We will NOT melt into quivering
masses of jelly over the mistakes we made, especially
since small things have been used to cause GREAT HARM.


Translation: "no matter how innocuou the demands of CPS and the judge
we will not comply as the child is not the point here...my ego and my
pocketbook are."

A simple warning would have been enough.


"Now that you have been in the bathroom with the naked child X number
of times, don't do it again."

Yeah, that's sure how CPS can protect children from predatory
pedaphiles. Sure, that's it.

A stated requirement would have been enough.


"If we catch you again we will give you another warning."

That's even better.

Like you, a grown adult male, with the mind of a creepy hormone
impaired adolescent (aren't they darling though?) are unable to figure
out you have no business in the bathroom with an unrelated female six
year old with NO ONE ELSE IN THE HOUSE.

Standards for clutter would have helped.


I'll give you one. Get your **** out of the house that doesn't belong
to you and most especially OUT OF THE CHILDS TINY BEDROOM IN A
SINGLEWIDE MOBILE HOME, you twit.

But the RIGGED services,


Oh, how do you "rig" an order to attend, what is obviously badly
needed, parenting classes for the little male whore living with the
mother sans matrimony"

the bitchy caseworker,


I would have much preferred a six foot 4 hairly ape that would check
quick and make sure no one was looking and popped you a hefty one to
your fat lazy gut.

I'm surprised the worker doesn't spit on you. It's a credit to her
professionalism. Thank heaven's for your sake I'm not a CPS caseworker
and more especially not your girl friend's.

the huge lies they have deliberately NOT corrected,
these show us malevolent intent.


They are holding they file open on you to see what comes up. I
certainly would consider that a smart thing to do. They DON'T HAVE TO
unless you can bring a successful court challenge, just like Dan
showed you and many others how to do. And even then I doubt they are
required to remove their information on YOU an unrelated adult
squating in the house.

A large number of parents who have dealt with
CPS have found that this "immunity" amounts
to a freedom for caseworkers to DELIBERATELY LIE.

Then they should sue. And bring criminal charges anyway.

Civilians can't bring criminal charges.

A civilian can't sign a complaint against
another person for actions that are criminal?

Our country is in some trouble.

You are being a nit picking dip**** yet again.
Why do you do that when you have
been called on your bull****?

You use sophistry constantly, so get used to nit picking.


Bull****. I call it like it is. That may be too sophisticated for you
but it isn't "sophistry." My arguments aren't fallacious. They are
factual. Hence sophistry is the incorrect term.

I just see through your highly transparent veneer of ****.

The Prosecutor would do that.

And in response to your filing a complaint, no? Dip**** nitpicker
caught at it. Don't you know that you can't get away with anything
here. Someone, me mostly, Dan comes in second (R R R R), others

from
time to time, will call you on your crap.

They will not prosecute the caseworker.

Liar. The media as posted by your other
Dip**** Tree buddy proves you
wrong time and again.

Started by the state prosecutor.


Which is completely incomprehensible dribbling diarrhea considering th
three previous statements.

Caseworkers have been successfully prosecuted.
And on many kinds of charges.

Never started by a parent.
Only when started by the state itself.


Oh...?

You better call or write real quick. These folks, one of the more
rabid anti CPS groups at their web site made the claim:

http://www.beanswers.com/pages/miscinfo.htm page to the bottom.

LAWSUITS (THE TORT CLAIM)

"It is now possible for parents to sue agencies and their personnel.
Many states have already allowed such lawsuits, and parents have often
won them. "

Were they lying, Whore, or were you? Or are you just too stupid to
look up things so easily found in the Web before you run off at the
mouth.

Watch folks. Yet another claim by the asshole child abuser displacer
shot down that he will suddenly lose complete interest in.

And for your information The State rarely starts civil suits on behalf
of parents that don't themselves file a complaint and intent to sue
through an attorney. So your statement is yet another weaseling bit of
SOPHISTRY... a fallacious attempt to con the reader.

You are, as I've said many a time, a liar.
Or stupid. Or abysmally ignorant.
Or neurotic as a lonesome puppy.

But you can't decide?


No. You put on so many faces here.

If you can't decide then why have
you asserted I am a liar?


That is obvious. All too obvious. I just caught you in one above.

Stating something you apparently haven't
decided is so would make you a liar.


I beg your pardon?

Would you mind terribly doing a dictionary search for us and show
where a speculative statement is a lie, or stating they one doesn't
know something but is considering alternatives is a lie?

Are you out of your freekin' mind?

Oh, now it's difficult and expensive. No longer absolute immunity.

Absolute immunity applies to actions within their manual.


Well, do you think they should be able to do their work or not. If a
cop, butcher, doctor, lawyer, adheres to their standards and it turns
out badly for the patient, customer, client, the professional, with no
intent to harm, should be paying you off?

The trick is to find intent of harm. THAT is what you assholes keep
crying about. You want some one sued when they meant no harm and did
exactly as stipulated as a professional standard, even under the law.

If they violate their manual and the law, they
then have partial immunity.


Not if there was intent to harm, and you can prove it.

Caseworkers are under a mixture of partial and absolute.


Not if you can prove intent to harm. You and your little army of anti
CPS dipwads want to confuse the issue, so you make these stupid
claims.

It's called "qualified immunity" I think.


Yes, they have "QUALIFIED IMMUNITY." So do parents. I can't spank
their child, but they can. The qualification is that they are the
paretn. The workers qualification is that they are a state worker.

Without that immunity they cannot perform their duties.

When the **** up...they are YOURS, dummy...as Dan has proven time and
time again...and they don't even have to have had BAD INTENT.

You don't want the child back, you want to sue and the child be
damned. It's so obvious now you cannot possibly weasel your way out of
people seeing it plainly.

You want the reader

Is anybody reading this dreck?


You hope not.

I hope they are so that the next time you jump on a new poster, as is
your habit, to try and mislead them and subvert them you will be even
MORE easily exposed for the lying sneaking child abusing mother
****ing-up smelly asshole you really are.

Kane wrote
to think there is something perverse
in my showering with my own children...

Could you please SAY THAT A LITTLE LOUDER, KANE?


Sure, only I won't arfully snip to make me look like a perv, as NON of
us have had to snip you to show you as the perv YOU ARE

You have tried to make people think that my showering with my children
until they were old enough, LONG BEFORE SIX, to notice our sexual
differences is perverse.

I can understand why you must have to not go out to work or deal with
anyone in the real world by the refund clerk at the supermarket.

You are such a loser it's beat you into retreat. If you are this
hapless, and a loser with me in a silly ass newsgroup, what must your
failures look like in real life?

Oh, wait, you've found someone to share your loser victim role,
haven't you now:

The mother.

By the way, you carefully have avoided, snipped I imagine, the
question I asked:

Given that YOU had to shower and attend the child when she was there,
before you came into the household, while the mother was working, who
supplied child care?

Betcha snip it again to avoid answering, eh? Thought up a good enough
lie yet...

Try it out on us. I've a hunch there are four or five of us just
waiting to see your newest bit of sick nonsense


~yawn~


Still suffering from that lack of oxygen thingie then?

Go suck a Plant Dennis instead of your buddy's Bong.

Does your CPSWatch know where you are tonight?

Kane
  #102  
Old November 28th 03, 04:11 PM
Greg Hanson
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Kane wrote
It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case,
I'd recommend immediate arrest and a death
penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you
can milk the state, much more than you are
currently milking the mother.


Thank you for the opportunity to outline your
well intentioned reasoning.

You're a psycho, Kane.

You play your little posturing game like some
16 year old trying to prove how great he is.

Argue like crazy about why parents should not
spank, as if that wasn't a clue as to your
age right there. Vent your anger.

Argue about every little slight that could
happen to a child, pretend you aren't projecting.

But you get so rabid that you act and behave
like a perfect poster child to justify spanking.

And you engage in the very kind of behavior
that you complain about in others.
Your RAGE is exactly what causes problems when
people spank and go too far.

You try to pretend that you are so principled and
reasonable, but you just can't help your true nature.

You are a flying off the handle psycho, Kane.

You lack even enough discipline to have any
sort of reasoned discussion.

You basically would not EXIST if not for
your CRUSADE. It is your identity.
You are nothing else.

You get so rabid that any nitwit can see that
you would be throwing some sort of physical
temper tantrum if you were in person.
Swearing profusely long term does kind of
reveal something about you.

As I've said, you LACK IMPULSE CONTROL.

You act just like lots of sniveling teen punks
that I have seen, ready to "throw down" on a whim.
You are full of misplaced anger. That's a pathology.

You are a LIAR, a BRAGGART, and a major BS artist.
You are a pervert, pointing at someone and
calling them a pervert. You are a liar, pointing
at someone and calling them a liar.

As a ""grand inquisitor"" you are laughable.
  #103  
Old November 28th 03, 09:17 PM
Kane
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On 28 Nov 2003 07:11:00 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Kane wrote
It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case,
I'd recommend immediate arrest and a death
penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you
can milk the state, much more than you are
currently milking the mother.


Thank you for the opportunity to outline your
well intentioned reasoning.


So you married the mother, got a job, apologized to the court for your
outrageously stupid "motion," retracted your offer to have the state
pay you to conduct a proper spanking training for classes of alledged
child abusers, moved your crap out into storage that you pay for, and
followed the simple but proven effective guidelines Dan offers to help
families prevail against CPS, and the child is back in the loving arms
of her mother, with your crap moved out of her room, and you no longer
are so focused on shower room attendant activities.

I see.

You're a psycho, Kane.


Never moved in on a mother and daughter, displaced the child's
possessions with my own, played watersports with the naked child,
written Motions to the Court that consisted of raving accusatory
demanding babble, or sat on my ass for 2+ years while building a can
and bottle refund empire because I have to provide child for a child
gone for 2.5 years or so.

I must be a psycho then.

You play your little posturing game like some
16 year old trying to prove how great he is.


See above.

And the following, for a real definition of a posturing asshole
psycho:

http://tinyurl.com/wwvd

"I did use my hands to push her head under
a shower spray to rinse shampoo out."

Then said by neither a parent or foster parent:

"Parents and more interestingly, Foster Parents
do this sort of thing all the time and it does
not raise a fuss. It is legal."

this from one of the 14 attempts by you at

http://tinyurl.com/wwvq

to try and weasel your way out of what you did, bringing up things
like women washing little boys "dingies" (what a juvenile mind you
have...it's "penis" not the childish "dingie. You talk like a pervert,
not a grown man"), and constantly by your stupidity reminding any
reader that you aren't a mother, father, or certified foster parent,
and you even described yourself as "wannabee step parent" as an excuse
for the child being forced to be naked with you.

You still refuse to admit that you had no business alone with a 7 year
old female (from your posts) forcing her with your hands on her to
"rinse shampoo out of her hair."

And I'm the psycho, eh?

Argue like crazy about why parents should not
spank, as if that wasn't a clue as to your
age right there. Vent your anger.


Are you suggesting that those people who argue against spanking and
for gentle parenting are psycho's? In what way is this mentally ill?

As for my anger, you haven't seen me do that yet up close. Lucky
little pimple.

Argue about every little slight that could
happen to a child,


In my posts to you, in fact to the world, where I discuss children I
have come nowhere near arguing every little slight that can happen to
a child. I have, with you, stuck exactly to what you yourself admitted
to:

Displacement, your crap stored in her room, towelboying,
shampoogirling, punishing for euranesis, cold showering, spanking,
sabotaging the mother in the training setting, as well as in the
courtroom....all, asshole, by feeding you back the crap you offered up
to this ng without your whining ingenuous sick excuses.

pretend you aren't projecting.


Out of the list I just supplied, or one you think YOU can provide,
please point out which, or any offenses, you think I have done that I
projected on YOU or that you haven't done.

But you get so rabid that you act and behave
like a perfect poster child to justify spanking.


So if a child dislikes what you have done to a child and tells you
they are now candidates for spanking?

As for that justifiable spanking you think I deserve, pick a spot.
I'll be happy to drop by and see if you can follow up. Bring a friend
or to. You will need them, ass on couch lazy slug.

And you engage in the very kind of behavior
that you complain about in others.


I have not done a single thing on that list of offenses against a
child and mother that you have confessed to.

So, asshole, which of my behaviors of others that I complain about
have I engaged in? Be very careful and think, as you will never find
me admonishing anyone for cursing, name calling, or expressing their
honest opinion even when I disagree with them heartily.

I tell them what I don't like, but I don't complain that they have
said it.

Your RAGE is exactly what causes problems when
people spank and go too far.


Show me a human being that is not angry and even enraged from time to
time and I'll show you someone that MIGHT not go too far in spanking.

You try to pretend that you are so principled and
reasonable, but you just can't help your true nature.


Empty nonsense. I am very principled. It's the basis for your
complaint of how I treat your viciousness toward child and mother.

It's your very problem with me.

You are a flying off the handle psycho, Kane.


What's a "handle psycho" and what does flying off it entail...calling
you the names you so richly deserve? Pointing out to you, when you
start pretending you have a right to count yourself among normal
decent human beings, that you are a lowlife scum child abusing gigolo?

You lack even enough discipline to have any
sort of reasoned discussion.


No discussion I've even seen you have with any reasoned person has
resulted in YOU maintaining a reasoned response.

You inevitably drift off to your "I'm a victim" whining, attempting to
enlist them, no matter what problem of their own they bring for help,
to YOUR little asshole dog and pony show.

THAT, asshole, is a grand example of lack of self discipline.

You basically would not EXIST if not for
your CRUSADE.


And what would you say my "CRUSADE" might be?

It's easy to accuse, hard to be credible when you don't really define
what you are assusing someone of.

With you I try to remember to list at least a few of your offenses
each time I post to you. I think I am very clear in my accusations. Or
would you like to continue helping me tune them up even more? Keep
posting.

It is your identity.


Redefining me by your standards is something of chuckle, considering
your standards.

You are nothing else.


Silly nonsensical obstreporous spouting by an insignificant little
twit child abuser.

I am not impressed.

You get so rabid that any nitwit can see that
you would be throwing some sort of physical
temper tantrum if you were in person.


Odd. I've never thrown a physical temper tantrum in my life. I don't
need to.

You have your little tantrums here on a daily basis, attempting to
excuse your behavior toward the child and her mother.

My strongly expressed complaints about you have not caused you the
least harm or anyone else while your confessed actions very clearly
have caused harm to mother and child, and your attempt to preempt
visitors to the ng to your cause detracts from their own need for
help.

You are the tantrumming little self absorbed prick here, Greegor.

Swearing profusely long term does kind of
reveal something about you.


What? That I enjoy varied and famous company of great men and women
who also swore or do now? **** yourself, dummy.

On 28 Nov 2003 07:11:00 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Kane wrote
It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case,
I'd recommend immediate arrest and a death
penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you
can milk the state, much more than you are
currently milking the mother.


Thank you for the opportunity to outline your
well intentioned reasoning.


So you married the mother, got a job, apologized to the court for your
outrageously stupid "motion," retracted your offer to have the state
pay to you to conduct a proper spanking training for classes of
alledged child abusers, and followed the simple but proven effective
guidelines Dan offers to help families prevail against CPS, and the
child is back in the loving arms of her mother, with your crap moved
out of her room, and you no longer intent on showerroom attendant
activities.

I see.

You're a psycho, Kane.


Never moved in on a mother and daughter, displaced the child's
possessions with my own, played watersports with the naked child,
written Motions to the Court that consisted of raving accusatory
demanding babble, or sat on my ass for 2+ years while building a can
and bottle refund empire.

I must be a psycho then.

You play your little posturing game like some
16 year old trying to prove how great he is.


See above.

And the following, for a real definition of a posturing asshole
psycho:

http://tinyurl.com/wwvd

"I did use my hands to push her head under
a shower spray to rinse shampoo out."

Then said by neither a parent or foster parent.

"Parents and more interestingly, Foster Parents
do this sort of thing all the time and it does
not raise a fuss. It is legal."

this from one of the 14 attempts by you at

http://tinyurl.com/wwvq

to try and weasel your way out of what you did, bringing up things
like women washing little boys "dingies" (what a juvenile mind you
have...it's "penis" not the childish term "dingie."), and constantly
by your stupidity reminding any reader that you aren't a mother,
father, or certified foster parent, and you even used the term to
describe yourself as "wannabee step parent" and you still refuse to
admit that you had no business alone with a 7 year old female (from
your posts) forcing her with your hands on her to "rinse shampoo out
of her hair."

And I'm the psycho, eh?

Argue like crazy about why parents should not
spank, as if that wasn't a clue as to your
age right there. Vent your anger.


Are you suggesting that those people who argue against spanking and
for gentle parenting are psycho's?

As for my anger, you haven't seen me do that yet.

Argue about every little slight that could
happen to a child,


In my posts to you, in fact to the world, where I discuss children I
have come nowhere near arguing every little slight that can happen to
a child. I have, with you, stuck exactly to what you yourself admitted
to:

Displacement, your crap stored in her room, towboying, shampoogirling,
punishing for euranesis, cold shower, spanking, sabotaging the mother
in the training setting, as well as in the courtroom....all, asshole,
by feeding you back the crap you offered up to this ng without your
whining ingenuous sick excuses.

pretend you aren't projecting.


Out of list I just supplied, or one you think YOU can provide, please
point out which, or any offenses, you think I hae done that I
projected on YOU.

But you get so rabid that you act and behave
like a perfect poster child to justify spanking.


So if a child dislikes what you have done to a child and tells you
they are now candidates for spanking?

Pick a spot. I'll be happy to drop by and see if you can follow up.

And you engage in the very kind of behavior
that you complain about in others.


I have not done a single thing on that list of offenses against a
child and mother that you have confessed to.

So, asshole, which of my behaviors of others that I complain about
have I engaged in? Be very careful and think, as you will never find
me admonishing anyone for cursing, name calling, or expressing their
honest opinion even when I disagree with them heartily.

I tell them what I don't like, but I don't complain that they have
said it.

Your RAGE is exactly what causes problems when
people spank and go too far.


Show me a human being that is not angry and even enraged from time to
time and I'll show you someone that MIGHT not go too far in spanking.

You try to pretend that you are so principled and
reasonable, but you just can't help your true nature.


Empty nonsense. I am very principled. It's the basis for your
complaint of how I treat your viciousness toward child and mother.

It's your problem with me.

You are a flying off the handle psycho, Kane.


What's a "handle psycho" and what does flying off it entail...calling
you the names you so richly deserve? Pointing out to you, when you
start pretending you have a right to count yourself among normal
decent human beings, that you are a child abusing gigolo?

You lack even enough discipline to have any
sort of reasoned discussion.


No discussion I've even seen you have with any reasoned person has
resulted in YOU maintaining a reasoned response. You inevitably drift
off to your "I'm a victim" diatribe attempting to enlist them, no
matter what problem of their own they bring for help with, to YOUR
little asshole dog and pony show.

You basically would not EXIST if not for
your CRUSADE.


And what would you say my "CRUSADE" might be?

It's easy to accuse, hard to be credible when you don't really define
what you are assusing someone of.

With you I try to remember to list at least a few of your offenses
each time I post to you.

It is your identity.


Redefining me by your standards is something of chuckle, considering
your standards.

You are nothing else.


Silly nonsensical obstreporous spouting by an insignificant little
twit child abuser. I am not impressed.

You get so rabid that any nitwit can see that
you would be throwing some sort of physical
temper tantrum if you were in person.


Odd. I've never thrown a physical temper tantrum in my life. I don't
need to.

You have your little tantrums here on a daily basis, attempting to
excuse your behavior toward the child and her mother.

My strongly expressed complaints by you have not caused you the least
harm or anyone else while your confessed actions very clearly have
caused harm to mother and child, and your attempt to preempt visitors
to the ng to your cause detracts from their own need for help.

You are the tantrumming little self absorbed prick here, Greegor.

Swearing profusely long term does kind of
reveal something about you.


What? That I enjoy varied and famous company of great men and women
who also swore or do now? **** yourself, dummy.

Swearing isn't a sign of anything particular....actions ARE.

You are the purveyor of obscenity, Greegor the Whore. The fact that
child isn't home, and the mother can't decide between you, is the
obscenity.

The other obscenity is your misdirecting of visitors here, to their
possible harm.

As I've said, you LACK IMPULSE CONTROL.


Not in the least. I don't make a living collecting bottles and cans.
Nor to I displace children from their home and mother. Nor do I steer
parents in trouble with CPS to the means to insure they lose.

You act just like lots of sniveling teen punks
that I have seen, ready to "throw down" on a whim.


The declarations by you then should constitute insufficient grounds
for indignation by others who read them.

Click -
http://tinyurl.com/wwy7
on a motion to destroy any chance of a mother getting her child
returned from CPS.

Do you think I'm the only person here to '"throw down" on a whim' over
such things as the above?

By the way, if you met me you would never mistake me for a sniveling
teen punk, nor is my language here that of one. You, on the other
hand, the everylasting victim who puts a child and mother at risk for
his convenience and the hope he can convince her to sue the state has
far more to do with punkdom and sniveling.

You are full of misplaced anger. That's a pathology.


Funny. I am not punishing children for anything, let along lack of
perfect control of body functions. Now exactly who, between us,
appears most full of misplaced anger an pathology again?

You are a LIAR,


You are lying. I do not.

a BRAGGART,


So those that have lived a fuller life than you, have many rich and
rewarding experiences, can make things happen, can build, create,
contribute, are braggarts, eh?

And you are a child and family saving parental advocate of great skill
and ability.

Now, you just caught me in a lie. Feel better?

and a major BS artist.


I am very good at self expression. You are very good at burying
yourself deeper and deeper everytime you take hand to keyboard, and my
skill as a "major BS artist" is what provides you with the ample help
you need to move toward greater honesty in your dealings.

You are welcome.

You are a pervert,


Which of my revelations about myself here are indicative of perversion
on my part?

You call human body parts, perfectly seriously, by childish names. You
think spanking children should be taught and you are the one to do it,
that children should be "disciplined" for common mistakes on demeanor
and bladder control failure. And "I'm" the pervert, eh?

pointing at someone and
calling them a pervert. You are a liar, pointing
at someone and calling them a liar.


I lied when I called you a liar?

I invite you to read your own posts where your story, more especially
your declared motivations and intent retains the elasticity of warm
taffy.

I also called you stupid and a whore and a gigolo. Which shows me to
be lying?

Do you have a job? Do you contribute to the household in equal
proportions to the other resident? If so in what manner?

Do you write motions to the court for your "SO," who was until
recently your "fiance?"

Have you invited your "SO" formerly "Fiance" to this ng to defend
herself and you as I invited you to? If not, why not?

Why have you not changed your employment profile (R R R R) when your
living situation changed that was the reason for you to be at home,
taking care of the child?

Are you now or have you ever been a member of NAMBLA, and no, you may
not take the Fifth....R R R R

As a ""grand inquisitor"" you are laughable.


You seem completely unable to let go of our exchanges.

Does that thought make you laugh?

You've never met me in person, pimple.

Kane

Swearing isn't a sign of anything particular....actions ARE.

You are the purveyor of obscenity, Greegor the Whore. The fact that
child isn't home, and the mother can't decide between you, is the
obscenity.

The other obscenity is your misdirecting of visitors here, to their
possible harm.

As I've said, you LACK IMPULSE CONTROL.


Not in the least. I don't make a living collecting bottles and cans.
Nor to I displace children from their home and mother. Nor do I steer
parents in trouble with CPS to the means to insure they lose.

You act just like lots of sniveling teen punks
that I have seen, ready to "throw down" on a whim.


The declarations by you then should constitute insufficient grounds
for indignation by others who read them.

Click -
http://tinyurl.com/wwy7
on a motion to destroy any chance of a mother getting her child
returned from CPS.

Do you think I'm the only person here to '"throw down" on a whim' over
such things as the above?

By the way, if you met me you would never mistake me for a sniveling
teen punk, nor is my language here that of one. You, on the other
hand, the everylasting victim who puts a child and mother at risk for
his convenience and the hope he can convince her to sue the state has
far more to do with punkdom and sniveling.

You are full of misplaced anger. That's a pathology.


Funny. I am not punishing children for anything, let along lack of
perfect control of body functions. Now exactly who, between us,
appears most full of misplaced anger an pathology again?

You are a LIAR,


You are lying. I do not.

a BRAGGART,


So those that have lived a fuller life than you, have many rich and
rewarding experiences, can make things happen, can build, create,
contribute, are braggarts, eh?

And you are a child and family saving parental advocate of great skill
and ability.

Now, you just caught me in a lie. Feel better?

and a major BS artist.


I am very good a self expression. You are very good at burying
yourself deep and deep everytime you take hand to keyboard, and my
skill as a "major BS artist" is what provides you with the ample help
you need to move toward greater honesty in your dealings.

You are welcome.

You are a pervert,


Which of my revelations about myself here are indicative of perversion
on my part?

You call human body parts, perfectly seriously, by childish names. You
think spanking children should be taught and you are the one to do it,
that children should be "disciplined" for common mistakes on demeanor
and bladder control failure. And "I'm" the pervert, eh?

pointing at someone and
calling them a pervert. You are a liar, pointing
at someone and calling them a liar.


I lied when I called you a liar?

I invite you to read your own posts where your story, more especially
your declared motivations and intent retains the elasticity of warm
taffy.

I also called you stupid and a whore and a gigolo. Which shows me to
be lying?

Do you have a job? Do you contribute to the household in equal
proportions to the other resident? If so in what manner?

Do you write motions to the court for your "SO," who was until
recently your "fiance?"

Have you invited your "SO" formerly "Fiance" to this ng to defend
herself and you as I invited you to? If not, why not?

Why have you not changed your employment profile (R R R R) when your
living situation changed that was the reason for you to be at home,
taking care of the child?

Are you now or have you ever been a member of NAMBLA, and no, you may
not take the Fifth....R R R R

As a ""grand inquisitor"" you are laughable.


You seem completely unable to let go of our exchanges.

Does that thought make you laugh?

You've never met me in person, pimple.

Kane
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Old November 29th 03, 06:47 AM
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Kane: You're raving again.
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Old November 29th 03, 07:05 AM
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On 28 Nov 2003 21:47:03 -0800, (Greg Hanson) wrote:

Whore, you're lying again.

No snip

Kane: You're raving again.
snip

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Old November 30th 03, 06:48 AM
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Tell us again about the Boer War, Commander!
 




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