diabetes symptoms

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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No, don't just go in. Call first. If you were the doctor, do you really
want surprises just popping in?

I presume she meant just make an appointment as usual, sounds like she has
a system similar to us, where you can speak to a nurse, but it's not
necessary to make an appointment, all she's saying is don't bother with
that, just do whatever is usual for your office.

Anne

Yeah, I know. I just took her literally.

We're on the same page now.

Jeff

I always think, its not a matter of wasting the doctors time, they get paid
for it!!. Its a matter of looking after your child. If you are concerned,
check it out. If its hard to afford a doctor....do you know anyone who has
diabetes? If so its a matter of a pin prick. And you can tell if its high or
low.
All the best
Fiona
"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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it hit me today, that the amount of water DD drinks probably is on the
extreme side and that that could possibly be a symptoms of diabetes, so I
googled for other symptoms, which were all pretty subtle, like frequent
urination, how can you really tell when they are in nappies! or tummy
pains and headaches, well she can be grumpy fairly frequently, but how can
I tell whether that is physical, or just her personality. Weight loss is
another symptom, I'm pretty sure she hasn't lost weight, but she hasn't
really gained any either, but on the other hand toddlers in our family
just seem to be like that. It's also difficult to gauge how much she
really drinks and whether that really is excessive, I don't think I could
estimate the volume, other than to say that she literally drinks
constantly, if she sees a water fountain, she's there, asking for some, if
she sees a bottle (sports), it's the same, plus what we give her without
her asking and all the time she jumps up and down in front of the sink
waving madly, it's certainly an awful lot more than DS ever drank, but is
it excessive, I don't know. Part of me says, no harm in getting her
checked out, but the other part of me is saying don't waste the doctors
time!

Anne

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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it hit me today, that the amount of water DD drinks probably is on the
extreme side and that that could possibly be a symptoms of diabetes, so I
googled for other symptoms, which were all pretty subtle, like frequent
urination, how can you really tell when they are in nappies! or tummy
pains and headaches, well she can be grumpy fairly frequently, but how can
I tell whether that is physical, or just her personality. Weight loss is
another symptom, I'm pretty sure she hasn't lost weight, but she hasn't
really gained any either, but on the other hand toddlers in our family
just seem to be like that. It's also difficult to gauge how much she
really drinks and whether that really is excessive, I don't think I could
estimate the volume, other than to say that she literally drinks
constantly, if she sees a water fountain, she's there, asking for some, if
she sees a bottle (sports), it's the same, plus what we give her without
her asking and all the time she jumps up and down in front of the sink
waving madly, it's certainly an awful lot more than DS ever drank, but is
it excessive, I don't know. Part of me says, no harm in getting her
checked out, but the other part of me is saying don't waste the doctors
time!

Well, if it worries you then it's not wasting the drs. time. That's what my
GP says. Take a urine sample with you and they may be able to do a quick
check then and there as an initial test.

#2 drinks like that. Give her a (large) bottle and she'll down it straight
away and ask for it to be refilled. #1 never drank much until she was taking
a water bottle round with her at school last summer (her school like them to
drink water regularly through the day and make it an issue). I think the
comparison of amounts was at about 18 months #1 would drink perhaps 1oz of
water in a day (plus two short breast feeds). #2 would drink about 4
ordinary sized anyways up cups (12oz???) plus 3-4 breastfeeds of similar
length.
If she's drinking a lot then you'd expect her to be weeing frequently so
that seems to be a little silly to look for :-)
I think you'd expect her, if she is diabetic, to be fairly lethargic, and
perhaps be over sensitive to needing food. Like big sugar rushes if she's
just eaten large amounts of chocolate, and very floppy, grumpy etc. if she
hasn't eaten for some time. Mind you, #2 is very sensitive to needing food
and is pretty grotty if she's hungry. not that she'll ask for food, just be
completely unreasonable and stroppy, so maybe I should get her looked at too
;-)

Debbie

toypup wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:41:19 +1000, Tai wrote:

Anne Rogers wrote:

Another thing you could check for at home is if your daughter's
urine smells sweet an hour or two after she'd eaten carbs. I don't
know how squeamish you are but one of the ways diabetes was
diagnosed in the early days was to taste the suspected diabetic's
urine!

Ewe. I heard an easier way they did it in the olden days was go pee
on a tree. If the ants swarmed to it, it was diabetes.

lol

I think today's glucose-testing strips are much better than either of those
old diagnostic practices!

Tai

Jeff wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message

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A quick test by a GP will sort this out once and for all.

Alert your pediatrician? IMO gross over reaction.

I don't think it is an overreaction. The test is so simple, that it is
hardly a bother at all.

I don't know very much about juvenile or type 1 diabetes and am curious
about this. Is it possible to get an incorrect negative result from a random
urine test? Type 2's can have normal readings if they've been low carbing or
it's been long enough from the last meal but not so long the liver hasn't
started dumping glucose into the bloodstream.

I think if it was my child I'd not want to rely on just the urine test, I'd
want a spot blood BGL test and an HbA1c test done, as well.

Tai

"Tai" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message

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A quick test by a GP will sort this out once and for all.

Alert your pediatrician? IMO gross over reaction.

I don't think it is an overreaction. The test is so simple, that it is
hardly a bother at all.

I don't know very much about juvenile or type 1 diabetes and am curious
about this. Is it possible to get an incorrect negative result from a
random urine test?

Of course, it is.

The urine test is positive only if there is glucose (or another sugar, I
guess) in the urine. This happens only when the blood glucose goes above 200
or so (the value is different for different people). If the blood sugar is
lower (say 195), there won't be any sugar in the urine.

However, a blood test will show the abnormal value, which then can be sorted
out.

Type 2's can have normal readings if they've been low carbing or it's been
long enough from the last meal but not so long the liver hasn't started
dumping glucose into the bloodstream.

I think if it was my child I'd not want to rely on just the urine test,
I'd want a spot blood BGL test and an HbA1c test done, as well.

I don't know if the HbA1C is worthwhile. Almost always, when a kid has type
1 diabetes, the blood values are abnormal if he is not treated.

Jeff

Tai

thanks everyone for the reassurance that I wouldn't be nuts to go into the
doctors, I think I may still wait on a few things, we're expecting results
from some other blood tests in the post any day now, I don't think they
would show up diabetes, but it makes sense to see the doctor with those
results. I'm also going to stop the yeast cream on her diaper rash, to see
if we can get an answer on whether it is yeast or not, we've been using
"magic cream", something another doctor in the group suggested, initially a
mix of hydrocortisone, yeast cream, antibacterial and regular barrier cream,
after two days we made up a new mix without the hydrocortisone, it has
significantly improved, but we don't know whether it's the yeast cream or
the antibacterial cream which is making the difference! I suspect that it's
more than likely it isn't diabetes, the diaper rash has been since christmas
so though it seems something in her system has changed, I think if it was
diabetes it would be more clear by now there is something wrong - which is
why I want to wait for the other blood results, they may give us an answer
that explains things anyway.

Anne

Banty wrote:
In article , Rob says...
Banty wrote:
In article , Anne Rogers says...
it hit me today, that the amount of water DD drinks probably is on the
extreme side and that that could possibly be a symptoms of diabetes, so I
googled for other symptoms, which were all pretty subtle, like frequent
urination, how can you really tell when they are in nappies! or tummy pains
and headaches, well she can be grumpy fairly frequently, but how can I tell
whether that is physical, or just her personality. Weight loss is another
symptom, I'm pretty sure she hasn't lost weight, but she hasn't really
gained any either, but on the other hand toddlers in our family just seem to
be like that. It's also difficult to gauge how much she really drinks and
whether that really is excessive, I don't think I could estimate the volume,
other than to say that she literally drinks constantly, if she sees a water
fountain, she's there, asking for some, if she sees a bottle (sports), it's
the same, plus what we give her without her asking and all the time she
jumps up and down in front of the sink waving madly, it's certainly an awful
lot more than DS ever drank, but is it excessive, I don't know. Part of me
says, no harm in getting her checked out, but the other part of me is saying
don't waste the doctors time!

Are you kidding?? Catching something like a case of juvenile diabetes is
exactly what a doctor goes into practice for! And the initial evaluation is
quite a straightforward one.

I wouldn't call a nurse or anything or frump around about it in any way. Just
bring her in, express your concerns, and either begin to deal with this before
it causes lasting harm, allert your pediatrician to monitor her for this een if
things are borderline, or be able to completely get it off your mind.

Banty
I think you are being a bit rough. The chances of this being diabetes
is pretty a small.

A quick test by a GP will sort this out once and for all.

Alert your pediatrician? IMO gross over reaction.

In many systems a pediatrician *is* the first line medical care for children
under a certain age (16 or 18 or whatever). This is no over-reaction. Even if
there's a GP, for an infant to go to a ped for anything is hardly a reach.
Children are medically quite different from adults in many important ways.

Look, I personally have a family physician who is both a GP and ped, so that my
son and I can be treated as a family, and that's worked out great.

But the POINT is, to go to the physican that is the first line care whoever that
is, and get this evaluated. It's straightforward, exactly what they're there
for, and exactly why someone goes into medicine.

Banty

Sorry over here (Australia) the GP is the first line health care
provider. The Paediatrician is a Specialist with at least five years
more training.

Most Paediatricians are booked out several weeks in advance and will not
see a patient without a referral from a GP.

Anne Rogers wrote:
I think you are being a bit rough. The chances of this being diabetes is
pretty a small.

A quick test by a GP will sort this out once and for all.

Alert your pediatrician? IMO gross over reaction.

The kids primary care provider is a paediatrician, so it's the only way to
get it checked out.

Anne


Sorry a Paediatrician is very different thing over here.

Banty wrote:
In article , Anne Rogers says...
No, don't just go in. Call first. If you were the doctor, do you really
want surprises just popping in?
I presume she meant just make an appointment as usual, sounds like she has a
system similar to us, where you can speak to a nurse, but it's not necessary
to make an appointment, all she's saying is don't bother with that, just do
whatever is usual for your office.


Actually, I meant for you call the police department to an escort to your
nearest pediatric endrocrinologist, forand make sure to notify the local TV
station for local coverage while you break down the doors to his/her office
unannounced ;-)

Office? don't you mean home? Don't forget to kidnap their family - Keep
them motivated


Thanks for the support. Amusing entanglement of communications here, and I've
had my part in it, sorry.

Cheers,
Banty