'the MMR10'.

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

O MY GOD!

J P Utz has now changed his tune ... progress is being made!!!!


However, the studies clearly show that measles does not cause autism, except, perhaps in a very small minority of cases.

In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that
MMR causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study. It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study.
It reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer
trys to get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that
MMR causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study.

Often, the biases of the sponsors of a study are as important as the
results are.

It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study.
It reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer
trys to get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.

Thank you Jason, for now proving something that I suspected all along.

In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that
MMR causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study.

Often, the biases of the sponsors of a study are as important as the
results are.

It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study.
It reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer
trys to get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.

Thank you Jason, for now proving something that I suspected all along.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Read your most recent posts. In one case, you actually discounted one
research study while promoting another research study.
It's my opinion (and let me know if I am wrong) that you discount any
study results that you do not agree with and believe any study results
that support your point of view. Many people do the same thing.
A true scientist will read all of the research studies and try to keep an
open mind related to studies that do not support his or her point of view.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that
MMR causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study.

Often, the biases of the sponsors of a study are as important as the
results are.

It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study.
It reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer
trys to get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.

Thank you Jason, for now proving something that I suspected all along.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Read your most recent posts. In one case, you actually discounted one
research study while promoting another research study.

I wish you would post the URL of what you are talking about, so I would
know what you are talking about.

It's my opinion (and let me know if I am wrong) that you discount any
study results that you do not agree with and believe any study results
that support your point of view. Many people do the same thing.

Generally speaking, as you did not provide the courtesy of a link to
what you are talking about, I discount studies that are poorly done,
"unique" in the sense that they have never been replicated, done by
someone who has a proven bias, etc.

However, what you have observed is that my opinions are supported by
good science, and I dismiss bad science, if you want to call some of the
crap that.

A true scientist will read all of the research studies and try to keep an
open mind related to studies that do not support his or her point of view.

That's nice, but irrelevant. A true scientist, and I am not a scientist,
will review a study for various things, such as selection bias,
methodology, valid sampling, appropriate use of statistical analysis,
etc. They would know that not all studies, just like not all opinions,
are created equal. Some actually are better than others.


BTW, just for your information, if wish to have further discussion with
me, I suggest that you email me.

mark{dot}probert{at}gmail{dot}com

No email, no further responses.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:
Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:
There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. He
is blind to the evidence.
He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.
See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm
So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that MMR
causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study. Often, the biases of
the sponsors of a study are as important as the results are.
It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the
organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study. It
reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer trys to
get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.
Thank you Jason, for now proving something that I suspected all along.

That's 22222222222222222 funny.

Jason Nailed you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Read your most recent posts. In one case, you actually discounted one
research study while promoting another research study.

I wish you would post the URL of what you are talking about, so I would
know what you are talking about.

It's my opinion (and let me know if I am wrong) that you discount any
study results that you do not agree with and believe any study results
that support your point of view. Many people do the same thing.

Generally speaking, as you did not provide the courtesy of a link to what
you are talking about, I discount studies that are poorly done, "unique"
in the sense that they have never been replicated, done by someone who has
a proven bias, etc.

However, what you have observed is that my opinions are supported by good
science, and I dismiss bad science, if you want to call some of the crap
that.

A true scientist will read all of the research studies and try to keep an
open mind related to studies that do not support his or her point of
view.

That's nice, but irrelevant. A true scientist, and I am not a scientist,
will review a study for various things, such as selection bias,
methodology, valid sampling, appropriate use of statistical analysis, etc.
They would know that not all studies, just like not all opinions, are
created equal. Some actually are better than others.


BTW, just for your information, if wish to have further discussion with
me, I suggest that you email me.

mark{dot}probert{at}gmail{dot}com

No email, no further responses.

This is a game famous for Mark.

WARNING. Mark LIES about e-mail.

That is a PROVEN FACT.
Mark KNOWS it.

What is said should be right HERE out in the open.

NOT behind e-mail.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...549640201535a2

Mark Probert wrote:


Fri, Jun 23 2006

[Subject title. All ADHD meds are not the same..]


That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no
conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it.


I replied:
Sat, Jun 24 2006


No conditions? Just EXACTLY is this * cease fire* you offered?



Mark wrote:


Mon, Jun 26 2006

Addressing only the substantive issues in posts, including the biases of
the authors of articles that are posted. Period.


My reply:


So...you refuse to post your ceasefire.


Why is that, Mark?


You stated the below in this thread.


*That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no
conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it.*


Wed, Jun 28 2006



Mark wrote:


Oh, I see...you asked "Just EXACTLY is this * cease fire* you offered?"
when you meant to ask "Just EXACTLY where is this * cease fire* you
offered?"

You should be more clear.


It is in the archives. Look it up.


Easy to see why he refused.. again.


I did look it up.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5dc4c69029...


Subject: Dear Jan & IIena


Tues, Feb 8 2005


If they can do it, why can't we?


Israel, Palestinians Declare Ceasefire


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/17a05b4c76...


Thurs, Feb 10 2005 7:06 pm


Look at the first message in this thread. It is your choice to emulate
the
Palestinians and Israelis,


What is you choice? Commence declaring Ceasefire.


RIGHT NOW.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/07e38a462c...


Fri, Feb 11 2005


When you stop, I stop, not before.


Ceasfire?
1 Mark Probert Feb 12 2005


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/78eb9b427f...


Sat, Feb 12 2005 3:36 pm


Jan, if you want a ceasfire, act like it. I am tired of being the first to
turn the other cheek and being trashed by your and Ilena. My offer, like
that between Abbas and Sharon, was unconditional. My next offer will be
conditional.


Your choice.


Choose peace.


==


All should be able to see [as shown above]I already did on Feb 10 2005.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5f0e54e999...,


Feb 13 2005



I wrote:
You didn't make an offer, you posted a question, so all can see you are
lying AGAIN.


To any intelligent being, it was an offer.

That is sufficiently clear. You did not make an offer. You posted a
question.


==


Now..here is Mark Probert telling a whopper lie.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/2b208c112a...


Feb 11 2005, 2:11 pm


YOU are fully responsible
for Ilena contacting my wife who is not a participant in usenet.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5f0e54e999...


From : Jan
Sent : Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:27 PM
To : "Mark Probert"
Subject : New Website Exposes Ilena Rosenthal and the Humantics
Foundation


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Feb 13 2005, 1:19 pm


An additional note:


Should you email me again I will construe that to be a withdrawal of your
request that not email you, and I will, when I deem it appropriate, email
you.

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism.

He is blind to the evidence.

He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.

See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that
MMR causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study. It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study.
It reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer
trys to get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exactly. He also accuses others of his exact guilt.

{just one of many}

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....89d4696eb1d8df

Sat, Aug 23 2003


Rod wants to silence someone with whom he disagrees. How typical of
the Alties.
==

*When all else fails, pull the old switcheroo*

Jeffrey P Utz, in utter stupidity, blindness and denial spewed forth:

How stupid can you be? There is more than one Mark Probert in New York. You have the wrong one.

Jeff

No, I don't.

I do appreciate you going on record for making this false claim
however.

It shows your ingnorance and inability to look at data and come to a
proper conclusion. You did the same thing about breast implants which
brought me to research why you were lying to the public about them.

The Mark S Probert who posts Healthfraud nonsense and Ritalin Pushing
here has the same wife, had the same address and has the same
birthdate as the disbarred Mark S Probert. For you to continue to lie
is pathetic and so revealing of your ignorance.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sandraprobert.htm


Probert he was a fool to lie about it when caught. Instead of being
upfront ... he started posting that I was a "sick woman" and began
writing people who supported me with more lies.

Bad move.

He was caught btw ... because he donned the disguise of a sick
implanted woman to attempt to infiltrate my group ... then called my
home / office and threatened me.

You two are two pees in a Healthfraud pod.

Why were you never allowed an unrestricted medical license Utz? After
years of med school, several with a restricted license, then NONE. Why
is that? Why did you come to Usenet and lie that you were a
Pediatrician?

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Jeffrey P Utz, in utter stupidity, blindness and denial spewed forth:

How stupid can you be? There is more than one Mark Probert in New York.
You have the wrong one.

Jeff

No, I don't.

I do appreciate you going on record for making this false claim
however.

It shows your ingnorance and inability to look at data and come to a
proper conclusion. You did the same thing about breast implants which
brought me to research why you were lying to the public about them.

The Mark S Probert who posts Healthfraud nonsense and Ritalin Pushing
here has the same wife, had the same address and has the same
birthdate as the disbarred Mark S Probert. For you to continue to lie
is pathetic and so revealing of your ignorance.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sandraprobert.htm


Probert he was a fool to lie about it when caught. Instead of being
upfront ... he started posting that I was a "sick woman" and began
writing people who supported me with more lies.

Bad move.

He was caught btw ... because he donned the disguise of a sick
implanted woman to attempt to infiltrate my group ... then called my
home / office and threatened me.

You two are two pees in a Healthfraud pod.

Why were you never allowed an unrestricted medical license Utz? After
years of med school, several with a restricted license, then NONE. Why
is that? Why did you come to Usenet and lie that you were a
Pediatrician?

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
I love the way you stand up for yourself
and don't take no crap from anyone.
Keep up the great work and the interesting
posts.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~