Family Law Question

"whatamess" wrote in message
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On May 2, 12:05 pm, "Gini" wrote:
wrote You have no right to judge me or my
situation, since it is unique to
me.

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Ummm...You asked.
==

Thank you all so much for being so judgemental and unhelpful.

==
Suggesting you grow up and accept responsibility for yourself is
judgmental
and unhelpful?
That's an interesting perspective on adulthood.
==

Let us NOT judge...fact is, this is the PRODUCT of our lovely Child
Support System who teaches CPs and kids to feel the WORLD owes them
and it's up to the WORLD to support them on whatever decisions they
make...Watch out, if things continue as they are, we'll have many more
ADULTS as spoiled thanks to the CSE offices around the country.

I couldn't have said it better! I lay 1000 to 1 odds that this woman ends up
being JUST LIKE mom. Any takers?

[My statements probably offend her, but sometimes the truth just don't feel
so good.]

Exactly what is your complaint? I asked questions that need to be answered
if you really want to work through this whole thing. Do you think that the
people on this newsgroup are the only ones who will think of the questions?

Were you, perhaps, looking for a roadmap to the money that you seem to think
should rightfully belong to you? That would require a lawyer--not a bunch
of people who are caught up in the system you think should support you.

You really do need to take some time to work through the questions people
have asked here. Perhaps some may have just been judgemental, but most were
not. Most were trying to get you to look at the issue from other
perspectives.
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You have no right to judge me or my situation, since it is unique to
me.

Thank you all so much for being so judgemental and unhelpful.

On 1 mai, 18:06, "Chris" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote in message

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On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

Also, as techermama pointed out, being 24 before you graduate is also
a problem. Are you an undergrad? At 21, you should be almost finished.
If you are (will be) a grad student, that makes your case even worse.
The agreement isn't intended to cover "career" students. If that was
the case, you could simply stay enrolled in school, get 10 degree's
and they would be forced to support you until you are in your 30's.
It's doesnt work that way.

You should still probably talk to a lawyer though as it's pretty
certain your Mom will the minute you move out.

Most custodial parents, once the kid becomes a financial burden, are
pretty fast to dump them.

Better yet, how about her being responsible for her OWN welfare, as any
adult ought to be, and stop trying to live on handouts.
Hint: Taking care of YOU benefits only YOU. Thus, the responsibility to
care
for yourself rests with you alone.
I learned this lesson in second grade, and took FULL responsibility for
my
personal welfare by the time I became an adult; and I would have it no
other
way!
It escapes me how anyone can be lazy and expect others to carry their
weight
through the force of law.

"DB" wrote in message
t...

"whatamess" wrote in

Let us NOT judge...fact is, this is the PRODUCT of our lovely Child
Support System who teaches CPs and kids to feel the WORLD owes them
and it's up to the WORLD to support them on whatever decisions they
make...Watch out, if things continue as they are, we'll have many more
ADULTS as spoiled thanks to the CSE offices around the country.

THE CSE office is just more proof of a big government system that is
vastly
out of touch with the real world.

Some how we gave it the power to exist in it's present forum, how do we
take
away it's power and total authority and serve the real needs of the
children
it was intended for?

Answer: They haven't harmed enough people yet. My guess is that they have to
cause about TEN times as much damage as they currently are to motivate
enough people to erase their wicked system. Too many people are still not
directly affected. But it's only a matter of time before their cancer grows
so large that the rest of the citizens will have no choice but to address
it. And hopefully with swift justice!

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You have no right to judge me or my situation, since it is unique to
me.

That's why I didn't judge you. I did, however, provide sound advice based
upon the information as you presented it.


Thank you all so much for being so judgemental and unhelpful.

It is my honor to be unhelpful to your unclean motives.


On 1 mai, 18:06, "Chris" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote in message

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On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if
I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still
has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

Also, as techermama pointed out, being 24 before you graduate is also
a problem. Are you an undergrad? At 21, you should be almost finished.
If you are (will be) a grad student, that makes your case even worse.
The agreement isn't intended to cover "career" students. If that was
the case, you could simply stay enrolled in school, get 10 degree's
and they would be forced to support you until you are in your 30's.
It's doesnt work that way.

You should still probably talk to a lawyer though as it's pretty
certain your Mom will the minute you move out.

Most custodial parents, once the kid becomes a financial burden, are
pretty fast to dump them.

Better yet, how about her being responsible for her OWN welfare, as any
adult ought to be, and stop trying to live on handouts.
Hint: Taking care of YOU benefits only YOU. Thus, the responsibility to
care
for yourself rests with you alone.
I learned this lesson in second grade, and took FULL responsibility for
my
personal welfare by the time I became an adult; and I would have it no
other
way!
It escapes me how anyone can be lazy and expect others to carry their
weight
through the force of law.

On 30 Apr 2007 03:50:55 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

I would say it's unlikely she will have to pay.anything. In fact,
neither will your father. By not being under either's "care", you will
become offially emancipated and therefore they will no longer be
subject to the agreement. You could "say" you will be under your
fathers "care", but that would require a new agreement, and your
mother is unlikely to agree to anything. The agreement was made
between your Mom and Dad, not between you, your Mom and Dad.

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated" and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to college
but living at home or away on campus........

wrote
...................................

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated" and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to college
but living at home or away on campus.......
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There is no post minority support in PA unless the parent's have a written
agreement to provide such support.
College support is not required under PA statutes.

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On 30 Apr 2007 03:50:55 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

I would say it's unlikely she will have to pay.anything. In fact,
neither will your father. By not being under either's "care", you will
become offially emancipated and therefore they will no longer be
subject to the agreement. You could "say" you will be under your
fathers "care", but that would require a new agreement, and your
mother is unlikely to agree to anything. The agreement was made
between your Mom and Dad, not between you, your Mom and Dad.

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated" and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to college
but living at home or away on campus........

You had better check the case law. Most states have decisions stating a
student living away from home is still considered to be living with there
parents. All of the FAFSA rules set up by Congress do not allow a child
attending school to be emancipated for college funding until age 25 unless
they meet one of five very limited criteria.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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On 30 Apr 2007 03:50:55 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

I would say it's unlikely she will have to pay.anything. In fact,
neither will your father. By not being under either's "care", you will
become offially emancipated and therefore they will no longer be
subject to the agreement. You could "say" you will be under your
fathers "care", but that would require a new agreement, and your
mother is unlikely to agree to anything. The agreement was made
between your Mom and Dad, not between you, your Mom and Dad.

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated" and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to college
but living at home or away on campus........

You had better check the case law. Most states have decisions stating a
student living away from home is still considered to be living with there
parents. All of the FAFSA rules set up by Congress do not allow a child
attending school to be emancipated for college funding until age 25 unless
they meet one of five very limited criteria.


.......... and they call it "child" support. LOL

"Chris" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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On 30 Apr 2007 03:50:55 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and
to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not
peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to
me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that if
I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my
dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still
has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options
right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

I would say it's unlikely she will have to pay.anything. In fact,
neither will your father. By not being under either's "care", you
will
become offially emancipated and therefore they will no longer be
subject to the agreement. You could "say" you will be under your
fathers "care", but that would require a new agreement, and your
mother is unlikely to agree to anything. The agreement was made
between your Mom and Dad, not between you, your Mom and Dad.

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated" and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to college
but living at home or away on campus........

You had better check the case law. Most states have decisions stating a
student living away from home is still considered to be living with
there
parents. All of the FAFSA rules set up by Congress do not allow a child
attending school to be emancipated for college funding until age 25
unless
they meet one of five very limited criteria.


......... and they call it "child" support. LOL

Well technically post-17 money paid is support for an adult child attending
school. But in practice it really is child support in my state because the
money is paid directly to the post-17 student.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"Chris" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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On 30 Apr 2007 03:50:55 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On Apr 29, 7:05?pm, wrote:
Hi,

I'm a 21 year old ontario university student with divorced
parents.
In
their divorce agreement, they agreed to pay for my university and
to
support me financially until my studies were over.

Well, we are 3 years away from that and things are really not
peachy
with my mother, who I have been living with since the divorce (a
good...15 years ago, I think). My psychologist has recommended to
me
that I move out, as have other people in my life. This didn't
seem
like a feasible option before, but I'm starting to consider it.

I'm thinking of moving out, but I've been told by my mother that
if
I
do, she will cease to pay for my university. I was talking to my
dad
about it today (he lives 3 hours away) and he said that she still
has
to. He also said that I would be able to potentially get the
child
support directly given to me instead of to my mother, thus
enabling
me
to move out and to be able to pay for my studies/expenses.

Does this work? Is it done? Do I have any ressources? I definetly
can't afford a lawyer, and I'm trying to figure out my options
right
now.

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Thanks.

I would say it's unlikely she will have to pay.anything. In fact,
neither will your father. By not being under either's "care", you
will
become offially emancipated and therefore they will no longer be
subject to the agreement. You could "say" you will be under your
fathers "care", but that would require a new agreement, and your
mother is unlikely to agree to anything. The agreement was made
between your Mom and Dad, not between you, your Mom and Dad.

Am uder the same legal thought here in that when a child moves out
from a custodial parents care, the child has become "emancipated"
and
therefore is no longer in need of financial support.

Will keep you posted afa Pennsylvania is concerned because soon I
will
be faced with this decision of whether my daughter is going to
college
but living at home or away on campus........

You had better check the case law. Most states have decisions stating
a
student living away from home is still considered to be living with
there
parents. All of the FAFSA rules set up by Congress do not allow a
child
attending school to be emancipated for college funding until age 25
unless
they meet one of five very limited criteria.


......... and they call it "child" support. LOL

Well technically post-17 money paid is support for an adult child
attending
school. But in practice it really is child support in my state because
the
money is paid directly to the post-17 student.

What "child" is being supported by the money?