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Old July 10th 03, 07:08 PM
Dawn Lawson
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Elizabeth Reid wrote:

I don't know, it's not that hard for me to believe, but then
I'm one of those women in a sense. Not incapable of pumping by
any means, but incapable of pumping enough to be able to come
close to equaling the amount the baby would eat during the same
period, so that pumping is always a losing battle.


Beth

I can never believe that pumping is a losing battle.....every bit of breastmilk you can
offer your baby is valuable, and provides benefits.

Dawn

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Old July 11th 03, 01:15 AM
Elizabeth Reid
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Astromum wrote in message ...
Elizabeth Reid wrote:
So your feeling is that breastfeeding is more effort initially,
but less effort as time goes on? Again, I think that might
be true for a SAH mom, but it wasn't true for me after I went
back to work and it might not be true for other WOH moms.


Yes. Definitely! Again, YMMV and many countries do lack proper
regulations for this, but with proper information and support,
it can be that way for *most* women.


Really? I guess the number of women who show up here saying,
"Eeek! I'm only able to pump 3 oz of milk in half an hour!"
who are reassured by being told that the baby can get much more
milk than the pump can has led me to believe that my situation
wasn't that unusual.

I don't know, it's not that hard for me to believe, but then
I'm one of those women in a sense.


I'm sorry that you are not managing as well as you expected. And
as said before, we can influence many circumstances that will allow
BF over FF, not *all*... But at least you have tried! You know where
your limitations are, and you accept them. That can be hard enough
as it is. So doesn't it upset you to hear exactly the same arguments
from someone who didn't even try?


I guess I haven't heard it from anyone who hadn't tried. From
people who never tried, I tend to hear, "Oh, I was formula fed
and I'm fine, so it's not a big deal." The people who I know
who say it was too hard are people who did try, if only for a
few weeks.

Beth
Sam 8/16/2002
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Old July 11th 03, 03:15 PM
Astromum
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Elizabeth Reid wrote:

Really? I guess the number of women who show up here saying,
"Eeek! I'm only able to pump 3 oz of milk in half an hour!"
who are reassured by being told that the baby can get much more
milk than the pump can has led me to believe that my situation
wasn't that unusual.


You are right, it is not unusual that you are unable to pump the
same amount of milk your baby drinks. But in the case you have
to pump, for whatever reason, there are also easy ways to increase
your supply so you can pump enough. IME pumping is something you
have to learn, like nursing. After a while things often improve,
again: not for all but for many women. Of course there will always
be cases where FF is the best alternative.

I guess I haven't heard it from anyone who hadn't tried. From
people who never tried, I tend to hear, "Oh, I was formula fed
and I'm fine, so it's not a big deal." The people who I know
who say it was too hard are people who did try, if only for a
few weeks.


I'm truly glad to hear that! In my circle of friends this was
very different... It is good to know that more and more women
are at least considering BF over FF. The more tries, the more
successes, and the more stimulation for others to try too.

I hope you don't find me rude, I really value your experience
on this topic, but this is my last post on the subject. I need
to get back to work... See ya!

--
-- Ilse
mom to Olaf (07/15/2002)
TTC #2
"What's the use of brains if you are a girl?"
Aletta Jacobs, first Dutch woman to receive a PhD

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Old July 12th 03, 10:36 PM
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(Elizabeth Reid) wrote,

So your feeling is that breastfeeding is more effort initially,
but less effort as time goes on? Again, I think that might
be true for a SAH mom, but it wasn't true for me after I went
back to work and it might not be true for other WOH moms.

I've always been a WOH mom and I have always (except for the first six weeks
with my first child) found breastfeeding to be easy and convenient. Pumping
"worked" for me, and I would just get up a little bit earlier in the morning to
pump for the day--I am also fortunate in that being a musician is not office
hours although it is a fulltime job.

And I found it MUCH MUCH MUCH more convenient that I didn't need to miss nearly
as much work as did some of my FF acquaintances, because while their babies
were getting ear infection after ear infection, RSV, etc., my daughter didn't
get her first ear infection until fifteen months and has never had another one.
This in spite of being in daycare plus having two older brothers bringing all
sorts of germs home from school.

I would encourage any WOH mother who is serious about her career to plan to
breastfeed, to pump EBM for the caregiver if at all possible, and to combi-feed
as a last resort if pumping enough isn't possible--but absolutely not to
exclusively FF because of the amount of work she may end up missing due to a
sick baby. (To say nothing of how painful it is to watch your baby suffering.)
Any mother making the decision of how to feed her baby based on convenience
needs to remember that sick babies are very inconvenient.

(It is also inconvenient to be an adult with chronic health problems, but that
belongs under the thread about people who say, "well, I was FF'ed and I'm OK.")

Mary Ellen
William (8)
Matthew (6)
Margaret (1)


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Old July 13th 03, 10:01 PM
Stephanie and Tim
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"Dawn Lawson" wrote in message
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Elizabeth Reid wrote:

I don't know, it's not that hard for me to believe, but then
I'm one of those women in a sense. Not incapable of pumping by
any means, but incapable of pumping enough to be able to come
close to equaling the amount the baby would eat during the same
period, so that pumping is always a losing battle.


Beth

I can never believe that pumping is a losing battle.....every bit of

breastmilk you can
offer your baby is valuable, and provides benefits.

Dawn



I think the idea is that if supply demand and supply decreases with
pumping, then time will cause supply to approach zero. Poof, nursing done.
The thing is, in order to increase supply, you have to take advantage of all
the possible demand you can while not working. You have to nurse and nurse
and nurse, to the sometimes irritation of Mom and baby. Doable. Laudable.
Good if breastfeeding is your highest priority. By no means easy IMO. Easy
being what we are talking about.

Stephanie



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Old July 13th 03, 11:35 PM
Elizabeth Reid
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"Shannon and Joe" wrote in message news:cVeQa.47500$GL4.12402@rwcrnsc53...
"DGoree" wrote in message
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(Elizabeth Reid) wrote,

So your feeling is that breastfeeding is more effort initially,
but less effort as time goes on? Again, I think that might
be true for a SAH mom, but it wasn't true for me after I went
back to work and it might not be true for other WOH moms.

I've always been a WOH mom and I have always (except for the first six

weeks
with my first child) found breastfeeding to be easy and convenient.

Pumping
"worked" for me, and I would just get up a little bit earlier in the

morning to
pump for the day--I am also fortunate in that being a musician is not

office
hours although it is a fulltime job.


I am also a WOH mom, went back to work when DS was 12 weeks old. He never
had a drop of forumla, and thanks to my accepting workplace, pumping was
never an issue.


Pumping was actually never an issue at my office either. Everyone
was extremely casual about it, except when they could be helpful. :-)
Half the people there had nursed babies or had been fathers to
nursing babies, so it was no problem.

I just happen not to be able to pump much milk. I was very diligent
about it, but I don't respond well to pumps (or at least any of the
ones I tried, including a hospital-grade one). If there was a
pump that was as efficient as an actual baby, my son never would
have had any formula either.

Just seeing the things involved with FF, (preparation, purchasing,
sterilization, more Dr visits) I would heartily say it was a LOT easier to
nurse. Esp. on weekends, when I could just relax and not worry about
bottles.


Alas for me (and I know I sound like Drama Queen for a day, but
all of this is the truth) I appear to have a supply which is
very demand-dependent. Fairly quickly, my son started getting
super cranky on weekends during the day, and it seemed to be
that since I was only pumping out about 1/3 of the milk my son
had been drinking, my body decided that I only needed that much
milk, so that's all there was during the day, and we started
giving him the same amount of formula at weekends that he got
at day care in addition to daytime nursing.

Beth
Sam 8/16/2002
 




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