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"Stephanie S" wrote in message t... "E" wrote in message ... lots of snips... Mama: No, that's OK. Formula is much easier anyway. I just gave up it wasn't worth it. OK, my stupid question for the day (remembering that I am LAZY, and don't do something if I don't have to...) How is ff easier than bf???!?? Edith I would venture a guess that ffing is easier than LEARNING to bf. S i had a harder time remembering how to bf than i did for my first two 15/18 years ago. i just stuck them there and it worked (very lucky, i guess). it might be more difficult for me to remember how much of what to mix, and how warm to get it, etc. (but this is me). the other thing that never seems to get mentioned here is the other end of the equation (pardon the pun) ff diapers smell horrid! i have been known to gag while changing them. i actually enjoy the smell of my DD's diapers... Edith |
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Astromum wrote: Elizabeth Reid wrote: lots of snips... even more snips It really depends on your situation. I think there are combinations of circumstances that would make one or the other easier or harder. I agree, but many of these circumstances are within our personal control, although we don't like to admit that. People tend to stick to habits and circumstances they are used to, since they know what to expect. Making a change requires motivation and effort. IMO a baby is the best possible reason to make that effort, and too many women (either out of ignorance or convenience) use lame excuses not to. Hear hear. Trying to decide if I should pro-actively email my cousin and beg her to reconsider her already made choice to ff her unconcieved child. At least to START with nursing, since she can't go back to that and can always switch to formula. She was trying to figure out why her friend wouldn't go out with her and hubby, but would go out with her bfding friends. Frankly, after only one conversation with her wrt nursing, and babies, I understand why completely. She sneers at any mention that breast is best, doesn't "believe in" the statistics and fact wrt the benefits of breastmilk, and finds the idea of nursing to be too inconvenient (despite seeing me NIP all over the place simply and easily) to bother with. (I pointed out, as calmly as my pounding adrenalin filled body could manage, that it wasn't like the Tooth Fairy, or Father Christmas, and belief had nothing to do with the actual facts of teh benefits of nursing) Dawn, finding this is really bothering me today -- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤ »¥«¤»§«¤» |
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Dawn Lawson wrote:
snips Dawn, finding this is really bothering me today -- Yes, it can be tough when people simply do not want to listen, or even try to. Leave her be for a while. You can always keep praying for a little miracle to happen when she does get pregnant. Personally I get freaked every time I hear the 'another can feed the baby' excuse from FF parents. Like DH never gave DS EBM.... But they will always find a way around your arguments, so I decided to put my energy into people who do try... -- -- Ilse mom to Olaf (07/15/2002) TTC #2 "What's the use of brains if you are a girl?" Aletta Jacobs, first Dutch woman to receive a PhD |
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Astromum wrote in message ...
Dawn Lawson wrote: snips Dawn, finding this is really bothering me today -- Yes, it can be tough when people simply do not want to listen, or even try to. Leave her be for a while. You can always keep praying for a little miracle to happen when she does get pregnant. Personally I get freaked every time I hear the 'another can feed the baby' excuse from FF parents. Like DH never gave DS EBM.... But they will always find a way around your arguments, so I decided to put my energy into people who do try... Again, a partner feeding EBM depends on the ability to pump effectively. Not everyone has that, and that's one of the factors that I mentioned that might effect one's perception of ease. Beth Sam 8/16/2002 |
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:45:33 GMT, Dawn Lawson
wrote: And why does the bottle have to have formula? I can see MAYBE a bottle of EBM. This is a good point, and very valid. DD has had bottles but only ever water (post 9 months) or EBM (from birth). Twice DH has given DD a bottle of EBM to give me a break (both times I was dealing with mastitis and had been feeding DD for at least 1 hour - he basically got a bottle together, ran me a hot bath and said - go get in bath I'll feed her ). Di |
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Don't even get me started on that question. It's all perception. I find
that generally (though not ALWAYS) people who have *supply issues* or *poor latch* continue to have these problems because they don't seek proper help. Many people rely on laymen to resolve these issues and don't want to pay for the services of an IBCLC, or mistakenly believe that they cannot afford it (compare the cost of an hour with a IBCLC to a month's worth of formula, more doctors visits, time off work to care for sicklier kids etc etc etc). Or, when the LC says "rent a pump" or "take this herb" or "pump every two hours till your supply improves" or whatever, THEN they think FF is easier. And yes then there's the fact that you can hand the baby off to someone else to give a bottle. Some people who are not committed to bf have the attitude that if it's not easy, it's not worth it and while there are truly some mamas out there who have genuine problems and have given it ALL they have, they are few and far between. Most just feel that for whatever reason it's "just not worth it". It makes me sad that their babies aren't worth it. I see this a LOT in my job (and I also see the poor mama's that come in, desperate to feed their babies and work with the IBCLC's for WEEKS and they are SO incredibly happy when (in the majority of cases) they make it. A good IBCLC can make all the difference. That's just my two cents. Didn't realize I was such a lactivist till I came here!! CY "E" wrote in message ... lots of snips... Mama: No, that's OK. Formula is much easier anyway. I just gave up it wasn't worth it. OK, my stupid question for the day (remembering that I am LAZY, and don't do something if I don't have to...) How is ff easier than bf???!?? Edith |
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I couldn't imagine not breastfeeding my baby, I love the bonding of it.Also
I can have my hand free to read a book, or type ). I formula fed baby #1 for 5 days, as my partner told me breastfeeding was disgusting! I was only 18 so went with it, until on the 5th day I thought, "To hell with him!". I put Peter to my breast and it was such a warm feeling that passed between us - something that I hadn't experienced with formula feeding. I couldn't FF, I don't have time for all the hassles, I have 5 kids, and it's far easier to pop Kamron onto my breast, it's the right temp, and it's free. Most of all if the baby had a choice, I am sure babies would vote breastmilk everytime! -- Andrea mom of - Peter 7, Ellie 5, Alden 3, Joseph 21 mths & little munchie man Kamron 4 weeks! Married to David since 2000. "Dawn Lawson" wrote in message ... |
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Elizabeth Reid wrote:
If something requires "motivation and effort", it's not easier I don't think. IME this is a major misconception. I have found in my life that some effort can make things a lot easier later on. It's a bit like grocery shopping: I hate making a list, but since it helps me to keep the expenses under control and minimizes the time I spend in the store, the effort makes things easier. Now if they would just say 'I don't want to go through all the trouble', or something like 'that is too much effort for us', I could at least respect them for being honest with me. I've heard 'DH can feed the baby' just a few times too often to believe that all these women are incapable of pumping... -- -- Ilse mom to Olaf (07/15/2002) TTC #2 "What's the use of brains if you are a girl?" Aletta Jacobs, first Dutch woman to receive a PhD |
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Astromum wrote in message ...
Elizabeth Reid wrote: If something requires "motivation and effort", it's not easier I don't think. IME this is a major misconception. I have found in my life that some effort can make things a lot easier later on. It's a bit like grocery shopping: I hate making a list, but since it helps me to keep the expenses under control and minimizes the time I spend in the store, the effort makes things easier. So your feeling is that breastfeeding is more effort initially, but less effort as time goes on? Again, I think that might be true for a SAH mom, but it wasn't true for me after I went back to work and it might not be true for other WOH moms. Now if they would just say 'I don't want to go through all the trouble', or something like 'that is too much effort for us', I could at least respect them for being honest with me. I've heard 'DH can feed the baby' just a few times too often to believe that all these women are incapable of pumping... I don't know, it's not that hard for me to believe, but then I'm one of those women in a sense. Not incapable of pumping by any means, but incapable of pumping enough to be able to come close to equaling the amount the baby would eat during the same period, so that pumping is always a losing battle. I wouldn't have been able to have my husband feed the baby at night with EBM without getting up at the same time to pump, thus defeating the purpose (and providing less total milk in the bargain). How is "that [breastfeeding] is too much effort for us" different from "formula feeding is easier"? Beth Sam 8/16/2002 |
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I think you're dealing with the second issue of giving up, but if we
are just talking about which is easier, then dealing with supply issues is not easier than formula feeding - trust me on this as I have fed bottles of formula and I have bf and I have pumped. When supply is low, the easiest way to get enough food into the kid is to ff. That is not to say that it is the best way, or that I have given up on bf, just that in that case ff is easier. I did give up on bf with my first because I had supply issues and I had to go back to work and I didn't know all the things about building supply like I do now, and I didn't give up with my second because I didn't need to go back to work. Because of my past experience I do have empathy for people who can't make it work and end up finding formula easier. I do agree that there are probably alot of people who don't give it a good try before giving up. KC "CY" wrote in message news:kb8Pa.656$Bp2.157@fed1read07... Don't even get me started on that question. It's all perception. I find that generally (though not ALWAYS) people who have *supply issues* or *poor latch* continue to have these problems because they don't seek proper help. Many people rely on laymen to resolve these issues and don't want to pay for the services of an IBCLC, or mistakenly believe that they cannot afford it (compare the cost of an hour with a IBCLC to a month's worth of formula, more doctors visits, time off work to care for sicklier kids etc etc etc). Or, when the LC says "rent a pump" or "take this herb" or "pump every two hours till your supply improves" or whatever, THEN they think FF is easier. And yes then there's the fact that you can hand the baby off to someone else to give a bottle. Some people who are not committed to bf have the attitude that if it's not easy, it's not worth it and while there are truly some mamas out there who have genuine problems and have given it ALL they have, they are few and far between. Most just feel that for whatever reason it's "just not worth it". It makes me sad that their babies aren't worth it. I see this a LOT in my job (and I also see the poor mama's that come in, desperate to feed their babies and work with the IBCLC's for WEEKS and they are SO incredibly happy when (in the majority of cases) they make it. A good IBCLC can make all the difference. That's just my two cents. Didn't realize I was such a lactivist till I came here!! CY "E" wrote in message ... lots of snips... Mama: No, that's OK. Formula is much easier anyway. I just gave up it wasn't worth it. OK, my stupid question for the day (remembering that I am LAZY, and don't do something if I don't have to...) How is ff easier than bf???!?? Edith |
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