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Old June 21st 07, 07:06 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
George Conklin
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"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message
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On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

Jeff



http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item

This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.



George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later.


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Old June 21st 07, 08:00 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Roman Bystrianyk
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This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.


George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later.


FYI

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.

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Old June 21st 07, 08:59 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Mark Thorson
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

George Conklin wrote:

George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later.


That's not vaccination. That's inoculation.
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Old June 21st 07, 09:07 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
George Conklin
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"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message
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This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.


George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from

humans,
not from cows, which came later.


FYI

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.


I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had
the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death.


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Old June 21st 07, 09:07 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
George Conklin
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"Mark Thorson" wrote in message
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George Conklin wrote:

George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from

humans,
not from cows, which came later.


That's not vaccination. That's inoculation.


Both for the same effect.


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Old June 21st 07, 09:09 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Mark Thorson
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting
someone with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin)
for cow is inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.


Jenner thought he was using cowpox. However, it's
a great mystery just what the Vaccinia virus is.
It could be a modified smallpox virus, a modified
cowpox virus, a smallpox-cowpox hybrid, or a virus
distinct from both smallpox and cowpox. Nobody knows
where it came from. There may be a natural host
harboring the Vaccinia virus, but none has yet been
discovered.
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Old June 21st 07, 10:03 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
john
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"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message
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What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.


3/4 of vaccination in 1890 was in fact arm to arm vaccination, UK

still can't see the difference between that and variolation


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Old June 21st 07, 11:33 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Mark Thorson
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting
someone with a weakened smallpox.


It's not weakened (actually, the term is
attenuated). It's regular smallpox,
and some inoculations would progress to
the full-blown disease. The advantage
of inoculation is that the infection
site is on the skin instead of in the
lungs, which greatly reduces the chance
that the full-blown disease will develop.
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Old June 22nd 07, 01:48 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Jeff
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Default Smallpox vax 1880

Mark Thorson wrote:
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting
someone with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin)
for cow is inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.


Jenner thought he was using cowpox. However, it's
a great mystery just what the Vaccinia virus is.
It could be a modified smallpox virus, a modified
cowpox virus, a smallpox-cowpox hybrid, or a virus
distinct from both smallpox and cowpox. Nobody knows
where it came from. There may be a natural host
harboring the Vaccinia virus, but none has yet been
discovered.


I think the camelpox virus is most closely related to vaccinia.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con.../camelpox.html
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Old June 22nd 07, 02:00 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
George Conklin
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"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message
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What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.


3/4 of vaccination in 1890 was in fact arm to arm vaccination, UK

still can't see the difference between that and variolation



Some people like to make differences when the science is the same: exposure
to low doses to prevent death from "natural" infection. With variolation
they tried to use someone who had been infected "naturally," and then on to
a second generation, and finally the third generation was best used. The
problem was that the vaccinated were highly contagious so city officials
were reluctant to do variolation because it would spread the disease unless
those "variolated" were kept in isolation.


 




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