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Smallpox vax 1880
"Mark Thorson" wrote in message ... Roman Bystrianyk wrote: What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone with a weakened smallpox. It's not weakened (actually, the term is attenuated). It's regular smallpox, and some inoculations would progress to the full-blown disease. The advantage of inoculation is that the infection site is on the skin instead of in the lungs, which greatly reduces the chance that the full-blown disease will develop. Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1% death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it naturally. Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball peen hammer. |
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Smallpox vax 1880
"George Conklin" wrote in message nk.net... Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1% death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it naturally. Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball peen hammer. death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24% under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD "I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind of wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent. His reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by the trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view of what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997 Interview by Peter Barry Chowka. "Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure" method, declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization |
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Smallpox vax 1880
"Mark Thorson" wrote in message ... Roman Bystrianyk wrote: What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone with a weakened smallpox. It's not weakened (actually, the term is attenuated). It's regular smallpox, and some inoculations would progress to the full-blown disease. The advantage of inoculation is that the infection site is on the skin instead of in the lungs, which greatly reduces the chance that the full-blown disease will develop. So inoculation is the skin, and variolation is into the nose, both using smallpox pus from a human vesicle? |
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Smallpox vax 1880
"JOHN" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message nk.net... Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1% death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it naturally. Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball peen hammer. death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24% under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD "I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind of wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent. His reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by the trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view of what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997 Interview by Peter Barry Chowka. "Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure" method, declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed. |
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Smallpox vax 1880
"George Conklin" wrote in message . net... I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed. Yeah, an allopath. Allopathy is generally fatal. 18-26% death rate under allopathy http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy4.html 0-2% under sanitation measures or naturopathy and homeopathy http://www.whale.to/a/case.html not much has changed, now allopathy is the leading cause of death, 780,000 every year in the USA alone, plus 400,000 or so deaths from cancer and aids chemo http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html plus the thousands left to die from alzheimer's http://www.whale.to/a/alzheimer.html heart disease http://www.whale.to/w/heart_disease.html plus the millions addicted to completely useless psychiatric drugs http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_h.html plus the millions given autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html and so on so, now wonder you see yourself in the non-allopathy 'quacks' |
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Smallpox vax 1880
On Jun 22, 8:36 am, "George Conklin"
wrote: "JOHN" wrote in message ... "George Conklin" wrote in message ink.net... Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1% death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it naturally. Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball peen hammer. death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24% under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD "I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind of wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent. His reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by the trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view of what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997 Interview by Peter Barry Chowka. "Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure" method, declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The truth about smallpox is exactly as Sydenham stated, something like "smallpox is a most mild and non-life threating disease...except for the mischief of the doctor or nurse." If you ever go back and read about the treatments doctors used for smallpox, you quickly realize that the docs were killing their patients with their treatments. The medical records of the German army indicate clearly that smallpox vaccination was utterly useless ( the troops may have been vaccinated not once, but up to 4 times) and that the troops were not only the first to get the disease, but died in numbers four to five times greater than the general public. The British army reported similar results concerning smallpox in India. Only nutrition and sanitation were effective against smallpox. The claims I see today only serve to cover up the muderous truth. DrCee |
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Smallpox vax 1880
I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death. Smallpox vaccination caused death as seen he http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item |
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Smallpox vax 1880
"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message oups.com... I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death. Smallpox vaccination caused death as seen he http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item yeah, 25,000 a year in the UK in 1880 http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html just babies in Leicester they lost 2,200 less babies!! under 5 compared to their high vax years |
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Smallpox vax 1880
In article , JOHN wrote:
Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a remarkable story illustrative of this truth. Translation: tells an unverifiable anecdote of no relevance whatever. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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Smallpox vax 1880
In article ,
George Conklin wrote: I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed. "Generally" fatal is too strong. According to CDC, the mortality rate is 30% or more. See: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001356.htm However, historically we know that some populations were more susceptible than others, which is why smallpox did such a hideously efficient job of killing, say, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, for example. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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