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Gas in BF baby
You've seen me once and my husband a couple of times. Sorry I never
responded about my original post (I think Anne replied to that one, about a nipple shield my midwife gave me - thanks!). You know how it is... My latest "problem" is that my exclusively BF son, John, 10 weeks today, has very painful gas every morning. It is relieved, of course, by the poop that he holds all night (thank goodness). He started the change on poop patern about 2 or 3 weeks ago; he still has frequent poops the rest of the day. I was thinking the gas was due to a thrush infection (which may or may not have been imagined, but I think that is out of the picture now), but now I realize it may be related to the change in pooping. I have started to realize that I'm having to burp him a lot as well, which is annoying. Unless he happens to fall asleep in the car or on a walk in his stroller, he will only fall asleep at the breast, which is fine with me ATM. We co-sleep and he stays in bed (except for a couple of diaper changes) about 12 hours a night, so I'm feeding him quite a bit at night and of course not burping him at the end of a feed. So, I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to lessen the gas (he cries out in pain - and neither he nor I is ready to get up, but I get him up and change his diaper so he can get that poop out, then back to bed for his morning nap . I'm wondering if he's swallowing too much air while nursing (maybe just side-lying nursing, but that seems to be the main position these days as he has started the distractable phase), and I'm not getting it all out via burping. Any thoughts? I am leaning towards poor latch, then not enough burping. I don't think his latch is the greatest, but he's gaining weight like a champ - 13 lbs 6 ounces at his 2-month wbv after a 8lbs 3 oz birthweight. I have big boobs, so big nipples, and he's pulling off quite a bit, which doesn't hurt at the time but after a bit, they are pretty pink and slightly burny (hence why I thought I/we had thrush). JIC, I'm trying to cut out dairy. I did it half-heartedly in the early days but didn't think it was making a difference, and I'm not seeing any other allergic behavior - no allergy ring at least, and the gas is only in the morning. He has developed eczema on his face, now that I think of it. TIA (and thanks for wadign through the long post!), Betsey |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:37:31 +1100, Chookie wrote: In article , wrote: JIC, I'm trying to cut out dairy. I did it half-heartedly in the early days but didn't think it was making a difference, and I'm not seeing any other allergic behavior - no allergy ring at least, and the gas is only in the morning. He has developed eczema on his face, now that I think of it. Can't help with the rest, but is it eczema or just milia? Most babies become very spotty after a month or two, but it fades at 6 months or so. Milia looks like tiny pimples, with and without heads. It's not milia, that's pretty much disappeared. The baby acne as well. Everybody commented how well his skin looked when he was younger...ah, those were the days. Thanks! Betsey |
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Hi -- Take the baby in to confirm a diagnosis of eczema. It could easily be something else. Eczema tends to indicate allergies (although it doesn't always) so needs to be taken seriously. Although the allergy could as easily be to the soap used in his bedding or something like that. Gas only in the morning sounds as though he needs to burp better at bedtimme. Might be time to teach him to fall asleep with his mouth empty, if he hasn't learned already. Then he can nurse, burp, then lie down to sleep. I'd be surprised if millk allergy was an issue. However, it doesn't really tell you anything if you eliminate milk (or any other suspected allergen) "half-heartedly". You have no way of knowing how much (or little) your baby can tolerate. Some kids are hair-trigger, others can handle a mug of hot chocolate (on nursing mom's part) every day. If you really suspect a food allergen, eliminate it RUTHLESSLY. Hope these thoughts help, --Beth Kevles -THE-COM-HERE http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the GMAIL one if you would like me to reply. |
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On 02 Nov 2007 03:54:22 GMT, (Beth Kevles) wrote:
Hi -- Take the baby in to confirm a diagnosis of eczema. It could easily be something else. Eczema tends to indicate allergies (although it doesn't always) so needs to be taken seriously. Although the allergy could as easily be to the soap used in his bedding or something like that. I discovered it was eczema when the ped told us "He has eczema." Gas only in the morning sounds as though he needs to burp better at bedtimme. Might be time to teach him to fall asleep with his mouth empty, if he hasn't learned already. Then he can nurse, burp, then lie down to sleep. Yeah, I think he is laid back enough to do this, but we'll take it at his pace. I'd be surprised if millk allergy was an issue. However, it doesn't really tell you anything if you eliminate milk (or any other suspected allergen) "half-heartedly". You have no way of knowing how much (or little) your baby can tolerate. Some kids are hair-trigger, others can handle a mug of hot chocolate (on nursing mom's part) every day. If you really suspect a food allergen, eliminate it RUTHLESSLY. I said "half-heartedly" because I kept forgetting, and by the time I steeled myself to avoid all things dairy, the problem in question was resolved, th I determeined dairy was not the problem. But, as you say, eczema is ususally indicative of allergies, so I suppose some elimination will be necessary. I don't have enough self-discipline to do it for myself, but for my son... Thanks. Hope these thoughts help, --Beth Kevles -THE-COM-HERE http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the GMAIL one if you would like me to reply. |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:00:00 -0700, Chris
wrote: On Oct 31, 7:16?pm, wrote: You've seen me once and my husband a couple of times. Sorry I never responded about my original post (I think Anne replied to that one, about a nipple shield my midwife gave me - thanks!). You know how it is... My latest "problem" is that my exclusively BF son, John, 10 weeks today, has very painful gas every morning. It is relieved, of course, by the poop that he holds all night (thank goodness). He started the change on poop patern about 2 or 3 weeks ago; he still has frequent poops the rest of the day. I was thinking the gas was due to a thrush infection (which may or may not have been imagined, but I think that is out of the picture now), but now I realize it may be related to the change in pooping. I have started to realize that I'm having to burp him a lot as well, which is annoying. Unless he happens to fall asleep in the car or on a walk in his stroller, he will only fall asleep at the breast, which is fine with me ATM. We co-sleep and he stays in bed (except for a couple of diaper changes) about 12 hours a night, so I'm feeding him quite a bit at night and of course not burping him at the end of a feed. So, I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to lessen the gas (he cries out in pain - and neither he nor I is ready to get up, but I get him up and change his diaper so he can get that poop out, then back to bed for his morning nap . I'm wondering if he's swallowing too much air while nursing (maybe just side-lying nursing, but that seems to be the main position these days as he has started the distractable phase), and I'm not getting it all out via burping. Any thoughts? I am leaning towards poor latch, then not enough burping. I don't think his latch is the greatest, but he's gaining weight like a champ - 13 lbs 6 ounces at his 2-month wbv after a 8lbs 3 oz birthweight. I have big boobs, so big nipples, and he's pulling off quite a bit, which doesn't hurt at the time but after a bit, they are pretty pink and slightly burny (hence why I thought I/we had thrush). JIC, I'm trying to cut out dairy. I did it half-heartedly in the early days but didn't think it was making a difference, and I'm not seeing any other allergic behavior - no allergy ring at least, and the gas is only in the morning. He has developed eczema on his face, now that I think of it. TIA (and thanks for wadign through the long post!), Betsey I have no experience with food allergies/dairy allergies, so I can't speak by experience there. I know that when my first 2 had thrush, they had the thrush diaper rashes too. Yes, he has had a yeasty rash. I treated with GSE and acidopholus, and the other very mild symptoms have gone away. I do know that some babies just make a big production out of pooping; they don't like the feelings they get as their systems get on the ready for going either. My first son was one of them and I was convinced he had issues, but his ped said that some babies just don't like those feelings of things moving through/prepping and can make it a big deal, but he probably should be burped after a night feeding to cut down on the uncomfortable feeling they can be left with having air stuck there trying to get out and up. All 3 of mine took a long time to burp. They did better if we saved the diaper change until after the feeding and initial burp run where we then laid them down for the change, moved their legs a bit, relaxed a minute, and then resumed burping. I would think if it were an allergy, he would be having issues all day and night, not just at night. My DH tends to be better at getting the "deep" burps out than me. I suppose when he is able to fall asleep himself rather than at the breast this will be easier to implement. I hate having to burp or change him between a feed and him falling asleep. Thanks! |
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On Nov 3, 2:57?am, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:00:00 -0700, Chris wrote: On Oct 31, 7:16?pm, wrote: You've seen me once and my husband a couple of times. Sorry I never responded about my original post (I think Anne replied to that one, about a nipple shield my midwife gave me - thanks!). You know how it is... My latest "problem" is that my exclusively BF son, John, 10 weeks today, has very painful gas every morning. It is relieved, of course, by the poop that he holds all night (thank goodness). He started the change on poop patern about 2 or 3 weeks ago; he still has frequent poops the rest of the day. I was thinking the gas was due to a thrush infection (which may or may not have been imagined, but I think that is out of the picture now), but now I realize it may be related to the change in pooping. I have started to realize that I'm having to burp him a lot as well, which is annoying. Unless he happens to fall asleep in the car or on a walk in his stroller, he will only fall asleep at the breast, which is fine with me ATM. We co-sleep and he stays in bed (except for a couple of diaper changes) about 12 hours a night, so I'm feeding him quite a bit at night and of course not burping him at the end of a feed. So, I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to lessen the gas (he cries out in pain - and neither he nor I is ready to get up, but I get him up and change his diaper so he can get that poop out, then back to bed for his morning nap . I'm wondering if he's swallowing too much air while nursing (maybe just side-lying nursing, but that seems to be the main position these days as he has started the distractable phase), and I'm not getting it all out via burping. Any thoughts? I am leaning towards poor latch, then not enough burping. I don't think his latch is the greatest, but he's gaining weight like a champ - 13 lbs 6 ounces at his 2-month wbv after a 8lbs 3 oz birthweight. I have big boobs, so big nipples, and he's pulling off quite a bit, which doesn't hurt at the time but after a bit, they are pretty pink and slightly burny (hence why I thought I/we had thrush). JIC, I'm trying to cut out dairy. I did it half-heartedly in the early days but didn't think it was making a difference, and I'm not seeing any other allergic behavior - no allergy ring at least, and the gas is only in the morning. He has developed eczema on his face, now that I think of it. TIA (and thanks for wadign through the long post!), Betsey I have no experience with food allergies/dairy allergies, so I can't speak by experience there. I know that when my first 2 had thrush, they had the thrush diaper rashes too. Yes, he has had a yeasty rash. I treated with GSE and acidopholus, and the other very mild symptoms have gone away. I do know that some babies just make a big production out of pooping; they don't like the feelings they get as their systems get on the ready for going either. My first son was one of them and I was convinced he had issues, but his ped said that some babies just don't like those feelings of things moving through/prepping and can make it a big deal, but he probably should be burped after a night feeding to cut down on the uncomfortable feeling they can be left with having air stuck there trying to get out and up. All 3 of mine took a long time to burp. They did better if we saved the diaper change until after the feeding and initial burp run where we then laid them down for the change, moved their legs a bit, relaxed a minute, and then resumed burping. I would think if it were an allergy, he would be having issues all day and night, not just at night. My DH tends to be better at getting the "deep" burps out than me. I suppose when he is able to fall asleep himself rather than at the breast this will be easier to implement. I hate having to burp or change him between a feed and him falling asleep. Thanks!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If he has the yeast-type rash on his bottom, then he probably needs a medication, such as Oxystat for the bottom and/or nystatin that you wipe in the mouth (very little goes down), and not just treat the external symptoms. He could be crying due to urine hitting that type of a rash - it burns. A bacterial imbalance in the digestive tract can cause excessive gas. What is GSE? When the rash appears on the bottom after a bout of thrush, that means it has worked its way through the digestive system - not just in the mouth and not just on the bottom. |
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:20:59 -0700, Chris
wrote: If he has the yeast-type rash on his bottom, then he probably needs a medication, such as Oxystat for the bottom and/or nystatin that you wipe in the mouth (very little goes down), and not just treat the external symptoms. He could be crying due to urine hitting that type of a rash - it burns. A bacterial imbalance in the digestive tract can cause excessive gas. What is GSE? When the rash appears on the bottom after a bout of thrush, that means it has worked its way through the digestive system - not just in the mouth and not just on the bottom. GSE - Grapefruit Seed Extract, see www.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp And we were treating systemically with acidopholus. At the beginning, I thought the gas was due to thrush. But at the wbv, the ped said she saw no sign of thrush, and my nipples had been feeling better. The slightly sore nipples could have been due to him pulling off - I never was quite sure of the self-diagnosis, and I think we either got rid of it or never had it. Thanks, Betsey |
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On Nov 5, 1:17?pm, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:20:59 -0700, Chris wrote: If he has the yeast-type rash on his bottom, then he probably needs a medication, such as Oxystat for the bottom and/or nystatin that you wipe in the mouth (very little goes down), and not just treat the external symptoms. He could be crying due to urine hitting that type of a rash - it burns. A bacterial imbalance in the digestive tract can cause excessive gas. What is GSE? When the rash appears on the bottom after a bout of thrush, that means it has worked its way through the digestive system - not just in the mouth and not just on the bottom. GSE - Grapefruit Seed Extract, seewww.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp And we were treating systemically with acidopholus. At the beginning, I thought the gas was due to thrush. But at the wbv, the ped said she saw no sign of thrush, and my nipples had been feeling better. The slightly sore nipples could have been due to him pulling off - I never was quite sure of the self-diagnosis, and I think we either got rid of it or never had it. Thanks, Betsey *YOU* were only taking the GSE and acidophilus then? You need to check with a real live doc on giving it for ingestion to a 10-week old for certain. This is what I find pertaining to it - and it appears that the instructions for dilution on Dr. JG's site is doubly stronger than recommended here (and it reports there can be toxicity and it can be extremely irritating to skin and mucous membranes). It also indicates that its use in pregnant and nursing women has not been studied, so I assume it has not been studied in infants yet either. http://www.supplementnews.org/grapefruit-seed/index.htm Nystatin was effective for both of my kids, and even though it may have added sugar to improve the taste, the tiny bit on a Q-tip for application was extremely minimal. The acidophilus is generally recommended to simply replace the good bacteria (flora) in the system that the yeast knocks out when it takes over -- it doesn't get rid of a yeast infection -- only helps to repopulate the system again with the good bacteria. Not to mention that breastmilk is chockful of sugar no matter what you personally consume. I don't mean to preach, but Dr. Jay Gordon isn't all *that*. I'll try to find the story of the little girl he saw in CA that had been his patient since the age of 1. She had an HIV positive mother throughout the pregnancy with her and he saw her for a related ear infection 11 days before she died of AIDS because she was never tested for it, despite her mother being known to have had it during the pregnancy with the child and despite the mother believing that she wouldn't develop AIDS. A tad spooky IMO. I am all for herbal remedies and I do use some with my children and definitely myself, but 10 weeks is awful tiny, and a 10-week-old's system isn't set up to digest anything other than breastmilk. Seems to me that if the proteins in the supplement happen to cross over the immature digestive barrier, a citrus allergy could develop later on as well. |
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