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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"SumBuny" wrote
there are no medical tests for ADHD. It is not a medical condition.
What are the "medical tests" for near-sightedness? Far-sightedness?
Pain?
... students who do not have "medical conditions" because the tests for
them are
not truly objective...and whil you are at it, insist that everyone
remove
their prescription lenses, because that too is subjective, not
objectively
tested...

Tests for nearsightedness and for eyeglass prescriptions *are* objective.
Perhaps you think that eyecharts are not objective, but most optometrists
do all their diagnosis and testing with objective tests that look directly
at the lens in the eye. The eyechart is just a way of double-checking
the results.


Not necessarily...why is it that they have you read the same chart with both
eyes? All it takes is someone with a good memory to screw that one up...not
to mention that one can use closure to comprehend a letter that is still
very fuzzy...

If this is the case, why is it that they still have you try so many
different lenses. "Ok, is this one better, or is that one?" If it is only
a matter of reading charts, then there would be no need for that, right?

Buny

"SumBuny" wrote
Tests for nearsightedness and for eyeglass prescriptions *are*
objective.
Perhaps you think that eyecharts are not objective, but most
optometrists
do all their diagnosis and testing with objective tests that look
directly
at the lens in the eye. The eyechart is just a way of double-checking
the results.
Not necessarily...why is it that they have you read the same chart with
both
eyes? All it takes is someone with a good memory to screw that one
up...not
to mention that one can use closure to comprehend a letter that is still
very fuzzy...

You're not reading. You can foolishly try to trick the optometrist, but
it won't work because he really uses other objective tests that do not
involve the eyechart.

If this is the case, why is it that they still have you try so many
different lenses. "Ok, is this one better, or is that one?" If it is
only
a matter of reading charts, then there would be no need for that, right?

He's double-checking.

Roger Schlafly wrote:
"SumBuny" wrote

Tests for nearsightedness and for eyeglass prescriptions *are*

objective.

Perhaps you think that eyecharts are not objective, but most

optometrists

do all their diagnosis and testing with objective tests that look

directly

at the lens in the eye. The eyechart is just a way of double-checking
the results.

Not necessarily...why is it that they have you read the same chart with

both

eyes? All it takes is someone with a good memory to screw that one

up...not

to mention that one can use closure to comprehend a letter that is still
very fuzzy...


You're not reading. You can foolishly try to trick the optometrist, but
it won't work because he really uses other objective tests that do not
involve the eyechart.


If this is the case, why is it that they still have you try so many
different lenses. "Ok, is this one better, or is that one?" If it is

only

a matter of reading charts, then there would be no need for that, right?


He's double-checking.



Then why is my final perscription different from that generated when I
gaze into the automated machine?

"mark" wrote
Then why is my final perscription different from that generated when I
gaze into the automated machine?

Check with your optometrist. He might be using your astrological
chart. g

I was responding to SumBuny who claimed that there is no
objective medical test for nearsightedness. She is wrong.

"jake" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:38:12 -0600, "SumBuny"
wrote:


"jake" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:36:28 -0600, "SumBuny"
wrote:
"jake" wrote in message
news there are no medical tests for ADHD. It is not a medical condition.


What are the "medical tests" for near-sightedness? Far-sightedness?
Pain?
Autism? Sensory integration disorder? If you cannot state any, does
that
mean that these are not medical conditions? That they should/can not
be
treated? That they are not real?

Try to spend some time volunteering in special education classes with
students who do not have "medical conditions" because the tests for
them
are
not truly objective...and whil you are at it, insist that everyone
remove
their prescription lenses, because that too is subjective, not
objectively
tested...


Until then, do not tell me that my family is not dealing with
disabling
conditions, such as ADHD, autism, sid, pain....


I am not aware that pointing out that diabetes is nothing like ADHD is
telling you and family anything..or that I have ever suggested such a
thing..


It was not your pointing out diabetes is "nothing like ADHD" that I was
commenting on, but the comment of "there are no medical tests for ADHD.

there are not..

It is not a medical condition"

I am by no means alone in holding this view as I am sure you are aware
this is what seems to make you angry..

Being told that I am "making up the condition of ADHD so I can score drugs"
has a funny effect of making me angry...



that I was...and you conveniently snipped both
that and my explanatory comments...your comment was "telling my family"
that
our ADHD, autism, sid, pain issues are not "medical conditions"...

I said nothing as to whether autism,sid,or chronic pain were medical
conditions..

Then tell me what "objective medical tests" diagnose them--otherwise, your
logic of why ADHD is not a medical condition implies that these are not...


The snipping was not "convenient"..I simply focussed on where I was
being blatantly misinterpreted and traduced..

I was asked what I thought the difference was and IMO the difference
is that ADHD is not a disease or an identifiable medical condition..

I am entitled to hold this view without being accused of telling your
family that autism ..SID ..and chronic pain are not medical
conditions..am I not?


Tell me how these are medical conditions when your statement that ADHD is
not--based on its lack of objective medical tests--would say
otherwise....IOW, why is it that you can be prejudicial against ADHD and
then claim you are not with other conditions diagnosed the *same way*...

IOW, prove to me you are not a prejudical hypocrite.
Buny

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et...
"SumBuny" wrote
Tests for nearsightedness and for eyeglass prescriptions *are*
objective.
Perhaps you think that eyecharts are not objective, but most
optometrists
do all their diagnosis and testing with objective tests that look
directly
at the lens in the eye. The eyechart is just a way of double-checking
the results.
Not necessarily...why is it that they have you read the same chart with
both
eyes? All it takes is someone with a good memory to screw that one
up...not
to mention that one can use closure to comprehend a letter that is still
very fuzzy...

You're not reading. You can foolishly try to trick the optometrist, but
it won't work because he really uses other objective tests that do not
involve the eyechart.

.....such as....



If this is the case, why is it that they still have you try so many
different lenses. "Ok, is this one better, or is that one?" If it is
only
a matter of reading charts, then there would be no need for that, right?

He's double-checking.


You are double-reaching....

Where did you get your medical degree?
Buny

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et...
"mark" wrote
Then why is my final perscription different from that generated when I
gaze into the automated machine?

Check with your optometrist. He might be using your astrological
chart. g

I was responding to SumBuny who claimed that there is no
objective medical test for nearsightedness. She is wrong.


You have yet to explain what they are...
Buny

SumBuny wrote:


Considering that both chronic pain and ADHD are diagnosed
subjectively...and the former patients never forget their meds while the
latter often do...then why is the ADHDer called addicted to drugs for a
"made up condition" and the pain sufferer is not?


Tou-cottonpicken-che'!

=)

--
Sojo

SEVEN.2.7.2.reply.

ASCII stupid question.
Get a stupid ANSI

"SumBuny"

FWIW, I am rather big on the smoking issue...

So are health and life insurers. As of now, there's just nothing like it to
increase the risk of everything. At least in the opinion of health
insurance agencies.

moo



..I try not to be, but being
asthmatic and allergic, when someone else lights up, it impacts my ability
to breathe...usually I leave the room, but it is not always possible...I
understand a person's rights, including the right to smoke...but I also
understand a person's rights to breathe without impediment...and *that* is
a
tricky balancing act for any group of people....

Buny

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et...
"Jon Quixote" wrote
You know, speaking of caffiene, that more than anything has sent me
towards
tracking down my likely ADHD. I drank anywhere from two to three
TWO-LITERS
of soda a day for over twenty years. Started with the "Real Thing", then
somehow became habituated to Diet Pepsi then Diet Dr. Pepper.
I was a running joke even to myself, for I kept a two-liter "going" all
the
time no matter where I was, including out to dinner in public, etc.
No diabetes, no sugar craving, just drank it all the time and thought it
was

And you weren't addicted? Ok, maybe not, but most people who
tell stories like that were addicts.

Bull**** Roger. That's a description of a near average American citizen.
You're lying or skating now. But you always have bee..
moo