Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No Answers

Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization branch
of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even thinking
of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal. Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full amount of
thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very deceptive
statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu shots
for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last year they
lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply of thimerosal
free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and her child
followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have received
six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year 2005. This
hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing vaccines were
given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency testing vaccines for
mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way, this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California really
continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48356


Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few vaccines
contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu vaccines contain
this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some foods
such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly toxic
substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy metals that
have been found to cause developmental delays that are in fact on the
increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are they
including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they still
falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and only some Flu
vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why isn't there an age
criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school aged children can
be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using this age it shows that
what little reduction there is in the use of thimerosal these children still
fall under the excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.


You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years ago as
we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is rarely
mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints along with
other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from China contain
lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD, ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still being
used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines? And why do
upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show marked spikes when
chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many questions abound with no
serious answers that the powers that be except.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48301

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
et...
Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization
branch of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even thinking
of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal. Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full amount
of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very deceptive
statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply of
thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and her
child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have
received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year
2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency testing
vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from
vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way, this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to 520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G may supply far more than 1 microgram of
methyl mercury -- and fish may be eaten several times a week! Why not make
sure people are aware of this *real* risk?

The theory always was that increasing rates of autism were due to the
increased amount of mercury being adminstered to children in vaccines.
There are at least six studies from different countries showing that taking
most of the thiomerosal out of vaccines has not reduced the incidence. This
last study clinched the case so far as American children are concerned.

PM


We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48356


Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in fact
on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are
they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they
still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and only
some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why isn't
there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school
aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using this
age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of thimerosal
these children still fall under the excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.


You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD, ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show marked
spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many questions
abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48301

"Kevysmom" wrote in message
...
Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets
contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to
520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G

Scaremongering is your first name! I think you forgot to add the
decimal point before your numbers!

HOW MUCH MERCURY IS IN 6 OUNCES OF CHUNK WHITE TUNA?

Multiply amount of fish by average mercury level for chunk white
albacore.
Convert 6 ounces to grams = 170 grams 170 grams X .31 ppm (or
micrograms per gram)**
MERCURY INGESTED = 52.7 micrograms per gram






Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of
interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization
branch of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop
the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even
thinking
of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal.
Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full
amount
of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very
deceptive
statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply
of
thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and
her
child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have
received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year
2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency
testing
vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from
vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way,
this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to
520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G may supply far more than 1 microgram of
methyl mercury -- and fish may be eaten several times a week! Why not make
sure people are aware of this *real* risk?

The theory always was that increasing rates of autism were due to the
increased amount of mercury being adminstered to children in vaccines.
There are at least six studies from different countries showing that
taking
most of the thiomerosal out of vaccines has not reduced the incidence.
This
last study clinched the case so far as American children are concerned.

PM





We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic
substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...sp?articleID=4...

Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu
vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that
are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in
fact
on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California
State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are
they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they
still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and only
some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why isn't
there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school
aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using
this
age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of
thimerosal
these children still fall under the excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will
find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a
disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.

You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years
ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at
younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD, ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only
dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form
is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine
for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn
of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show
marked
spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many questions
abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=4...-
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Bottom line: Eating Tuna or Salmon is good for you.
It's been shown, over and over again without regard to mercury.
Is mercury bad, probably, but it doesn't counteract the positive in the
fish.

Myrl wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:29 pm, "Peter Moran" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message

et...





Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization
branch of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even thinking
of asking any questions.
The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal. Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full amount
of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very deceptive
statement at best.
Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply of
thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and her
child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have
received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year
2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency testing
vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from
vaccines.
Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way, this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.
Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to 520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G may supply far more than 1 microgram of
methyl mercury -- and fish may be eaten several times a week! Why not make
sure people are aware of this *real* risk?

The theory always was that increasing rates of autism were due to the
increased amount of mercury being adminstered to children in vaccines.
There are at least six studies from different countries showing that taking
most of the thiomerosal out of vaccines has not reduced the incidence. This
last study clinched the case so far as American children are concerned.

PM





We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.
Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:
0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...sp?articleID=4...
Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading
When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in fact
on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are
they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they
still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and only
some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why isn't
there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school
aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using this
age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of thimerosal
these children still fall under the excessive amount.
Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.
You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.
Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD, ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.
We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show marked
spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many questions
abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.
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I believe this is a perfect example of how litigation based science
sidelined research into other causes of autism for a number of years.
Hopefully now, the focus will become more broad as to cause, and
especially on possible effective treatment of these children.

Don't get your hopes up. The scarfemongering idiots, like Imus' dingbat
wife are spinning it away. They are desperate.

Read Respectful Insolence for mo

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20..._hunk_o_bu.php


Myrl
http://www.webstarmagic.com/wisletter.htm

"Kevysmom" wrote in message
...
Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets
contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to
520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G

Scaremongering is your first name! I think you forgot to add the
decimal point before your numbers!

No. .31 ppm is the same as .31 micrograms per gram which is the same as 310
micrograms per kilogram.

HOW MUCH MERCURY IS IN 6 OUNCES OF CHUNK WHITE TUNA?

Multiply amount of fish by average mercury level for chunk white
albacore.
Convert 6 ounces to grams = 170 grams 170 grams X .31 ppm (or
micrograms per gram)**
MERCURY INGESTED = 52.7 micrograms per gram

Sloppy. That figure is not "52.7 micorgrams per gram" , it is 52.7
micrograms per 170 gram serving, which is perfectly in accord with the
figures I was quoting where 100G of Barramundi would supply 31 micrograms.
It shows that 1 microgram in a rarely vaccine is a trivial mercury
exposure.

PM



http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html


On Jan 13, 1:29 am, "Peter Moran" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message

et...





Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of
interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization
branch of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop
the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even
thinking
of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal.
Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full
amount
of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very
deceptive
statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply
of
thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and
her
child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have
received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year
2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency
testing
vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from
vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way,
this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to
520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G may supply far more than 1 microgram of
methyl mercury -- and fish may be eaten several times a week! Why not make
sure people are aware of this *real* risk?

The theory always was that increasing rates of autism were due to the
increased amount of mercury being adminstered to children in vaccines.
There are at least six studies from different countries showing that
taking
most of the thiomerosal out of vaccines has not reduced the incidence.
This
last study clinched the case so far as American children are concerned.

PM





We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic
substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...sp?articleID=4...

Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu
vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that
are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in
fact
on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California
State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are
they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they
still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and only
some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why isn't
there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school
aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using
this
age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of
thimerosal
these children still fall under the excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will
find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a
disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.

You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years
ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at
younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD, ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only
dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form
is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine
for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn
of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show
marked
spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many questions
abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.

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wrote
On Jan 12, 5:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism:

Well, duh! That is old news,

Poor, Andy. Jan. 8th, 2008 is old news...........................


you

Off topic.

"Peter Moran" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message
et...
Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of
interest, thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the
immunization branch of the California Department of Public Health.
Unfortunately, epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the
immunization program have a major credibility problem. This of course
does not stop the mainstream press from hopping all over these studies
without even thinking of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal.
Actually, out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu
season, 8 million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the
full amount of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a
very deceptive statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply
of thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and
her child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would
have received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the
year 2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency
testing vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been
removed from vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way, this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

Scaremongering idiots! PM

Glad to see you *Trying to ignore constant abuse for the sake of those who
wish to learn
something* ..


We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48356


Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that
are recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in
fact on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California
State Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages?
Are they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do
they still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and
only some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why
isn't there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when
school aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when
using this age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of
thimerosal these children still fall under the excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.


You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at
younger ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological
and neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD,
ADD included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only
dangerous but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with
those exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form
is somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show
marked spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many
questions abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48301

"Mark Probert" wrote
Myrl wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:29 pm, "Peter Moran" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message

et...





Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of
interest,
thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the immunization
branch of the California Department of Public Health. Unfortunately,
epidemiological studies done by people who are part of the immunization
program have a major credibility problem. This of course does not stop
the
mainstream press from hopping all over these studies without even
thinking
of asking any questions.
The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal.
Actually,
out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu season, 8
million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the full
amount
of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a very
deceptive
statement at best.
Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006.
Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply
of
thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and
her
child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would have
received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the year
2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal containing
vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government agency
testing
vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has been removed from
vaccines.
Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain
less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way,
this
hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.
Scaremongering idiots! It is still only 1 microgram. Fish fillets
contain
between 5-50 micrograms per kilogram in Australia. Our favourite fish,
Barramundi contains up to 310 micrograms per kilogram and Snapper up to
520.
So a single fish meal of 100 G may supply far more than 1 microgram of
methyl mercury -- and fish may be eaten several times a week! Why not
make
sure people are aware of this *real* risk?

The theory always was that increasing rates of autism were due to the
increased amount of mercury being adminstered to children in vaccines.
There are at least six studies from different countries showing that
taking
most of the thiomerosal out of vaccines has not reduced the incidence.
This
last study clinched the case so far as American children are concerned.

PM





We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic
substitution.
Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in California
really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.
Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:
0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...sp?articleID=4...
Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading
When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu
vaccines
contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other vaccines that
are
recommended for children still contained normal or trace amounts of
Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury amalgams. Some
foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and breath this highly
toxic substance. When you include the many other chemicals and heavy
metals that have been found to cause developmental delays that are in
fact
on the increase it's not to hard to figure out why numbers have not
dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California
State
Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the ages? Are
they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism? Why do they
still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other vaccine and
only
some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not true. And why
isn't
there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five years old when school
aged children can be truly observed on a daily basis? And when using
this
age it shows that what little reduction there is in the use of
thimerosal
these children still fall under the excessive amount.
Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe
and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will
find
that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a
disorder
that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the medical
community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.
You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years
ago
as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom
paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.
Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at
younger
ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological and
neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD,
ADD
included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only
dangerous
but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played with those
exposed to it over the years.
We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form
is
somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine
for
it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal warn
of
its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a
vaccine
preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it still
being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other vaccines?
And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD show
marked
spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too many
questions
abound with no serious answers that the powers that be except.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=4...-
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I believe this is a perfect example of how litigation based science
sidelined research into other causes of autism for a number of years.
Hopefully now, the focus will become more broad as to cause, and
especially on possible effective treatment of these children.

Don't get your hopes up. The scarfemongering idiots, like Imus' dingbat
wife are spinning it away. They are desperate.

You still trying to ignore the constant abuse for the sake of those who wish
to learn
something, eh. PM?

Don't be afraid to answer.

Read Respectful Insolence for mo

You mean Orac nose nuttin...................


Myrl

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
. net...

"Peter Moran" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message
et...
Thimerosal Vindicated as Cause of Autism: More Questions and Still No
Answers
January 8, 2008
With yet another epidemiological study reeking with conflicts of
interest, thimerosal containing vaccines are declared safe by the
immunization branch of the California Department of Public Health.
Unfortunately, epidemiological studies done by people who are part of
the immunization program have a major credibility problem. This of
course does not stop the mainstream press from hopping all over these
studies without even thinking of asking any questions.

The study claims that "some" flu shots still contain thimerosal.
Actually, out of 132 million doses of flu vaccine for the 2007-08 flu
season, 8 million doses are thimerosal free. That means 94% contain the
full amount of thimerosal. Stating that "some" contain thimerosal is a
very deceptive statement at best.

Critics will say that California has banned thimerosal containing flu
shots for pregnant women and infants. This ban took effect in 2006. Last
year they lifted the ban because they could not find an adequate supply
of thimerosal free shots. If a pregnant woman got a flu shot in 2001 and
her child followed the flu shot recommendations, the baby/fetus would
have received six flu shots with the full amount of thimerosal by the
year 2005. This hardly represents the claim that no thimerosal
containing vaccines were given after 2001. Besides, with no government
agency testing vaccines for mercury, who really knows if mercury has
been removed from vaccines.

Vaccines with "trace" amounts of thimerosal are supposed to contain less
than 1 microgram of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. This is equal to a
concentration of 2000 micrograms per liter. When looked at this way,
this hardly seems like a "trace" amount of mercury.

Scaremongering idiots! PM

Glad to see you *Trying to ignore constant abuse for the sake of those who
wish to learn
something* ..

My comment was not directed at anyone on this list and was fully justified
by the absurdity and deceptiveness of the case.

PM




We constantly hear that rates of autism have increased due to earlier
intervention, changes in diagnostic criteria and diagnostic
substitution. Were these co-factors considered? Have rates of autism in
California really continued to climb? They can't have it both ways.

Before we declare thimerosal containing vaccines safe, consider these
numbers:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells
(Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48356


Again Studies about Vaccines and Thimerosal are misleading

When will these authors of studies stop claiming that all but a few
vaccines contain the mercury additive Thimerosal? 80% of all flu
vaccines contain this preservative. As of June in 2005 many other
vaccines that are recommended for children still contained normal or
trace amounts of Thimerosal. Many mothers and children still had mercury
amalgams. Some foods such as Tuna contain mercury. We still eat and
breath this highly toxic substance. When you include the many other
chemicals and heavy metals that have been found to cause developmental
delays that are in fact on the increase it's not to hard to figure out
why numbers have not dropped.
There are many questions about this latest study from the California
State Public Health Department that remain unanswered. What are the
ages? Are they including all ASD disorders or just regressive Autism?
Why do they still falsely claim that Thimerosal is not in any other
vaccine and only some Flu vaccines? This statement just is simply not
true. And why isn't there an age criteria for diagnoses such as five
years old when school aged children can be truly observed on a daily
basis? And when using this age it shows that what little reduction there
is in the use of thimerosal these children still fall under the
excessive amount.

Are they finding these infants up to let's say 3 years old unable to
interact with their peers? Do these youngsters show signs of learning
disabilities? C'mon you can't claim that mercury in any form is safe and
with increased exposures of this toxin combined with others you will
find that the numbers will remain or climb. This is being touted as a
disorder that is untreatable and unavoidable. And that is sad as the
medical community claims success in many other diseases and disorders.


You can't mark mercury off the list as its toxic strength is much too
strong. We are still hearing about lead that was banned 20 plus years
ago as we find it everywhere. Mercury was used in paint also but that is
rarely mentioned. The fact is it was used in kitchen and bathroom paints
along with other areas susceptible to mold. We scream if products from
China contain lead but buy food and are told to use lights that contain
mercury.

Of course we are seeing genetic mutations you always do when there are
poisonings going on. We are witnessing children hitting puberty at
younger ages, Obesity, Diabetes II, Heart Disease and many psychological
and neurological disorders are on the increase along with Autism or ASD,
ADD included. To give Thimerosal a no contribution label is not only
dangerous but criminal when you look at what role mercury has played
with those exposed to it over the years.

We need to put a stop to this continuous claim that mercury in any form
is somehow safe when it has been known for hundreds of years to be very
dangerous and even lethal. Why did the Romans only use slaves to mine
for it? Why does the manufacturer of the specific compound Thimerosal
warn of its toxicity? Why was it banned in most applications except as a
vaccine preservative injected directly into our blood stream? Why is it
still being used in any vaccine and during the manufacture of other
vaccines? And why do upwards of 85% of those tested that suffer from ASD
show marked spikes when chelating heavy metals for mercury? Still too
many questions abound with no serious answers that the powers that be
except.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=48301

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On Jan 13, 2:49 pm, wrote:
On Jan 13, 1:29 am, "Peter Moran" wrote: "Jan
Drew" wrote in message

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Petey the Moron is at it again.

Let's see. Let's do some math.

5-50 microgram/KILOGRAM. That is, say, 25 microgram in 2000gm.
I cannot eat 2000 gm of fish in a meal.
Let's use my usual portion, 120 gm.

120/2000 X 25 = 1.5 microgram of methyl mercury in the RAW FISH.

Now let's cook the fish. How much of the volatile methyl mercury will
evaporate and leave the fish? Anybody have that data, that is , the
amount of mercury in raw fish compared to its cooked counterpart?

Let's guess that half is lost. Now we have 0.75 microgram of methyl
mercury.

The human gut will not absorb mercury well. Maybe 1% is absorbed.
This gives us 0.0075 micrograms of mercury absorbed.

Yet, this amount of injested mercury is toxic.
How much more toxic would INJECTED mercury be? Maybe 100 to 1000X as
toxic?
And, what if we added Al to the mix as an "adjuvant" to heighten the
poisoning effect as is done in vaccines?

DrCee
Not a pharma shill ( I am not here to lie or deceive you )


Well crap, please excuse my error.
A kilogram is 1000 grams.
Increase my calulations by 2X.
Still, the concentrations of ingested versus injected mercury is still
huge.


I don't quite know what you are saying but the figures clealry show that 1
microgram of mercury in an occasionally adminstered vaccine is a
ridiculously low exposure when compared to anyone who eats fish regularly.

Again, the monkey infant studies showed that methyl mercury orally is just
as easily absorbed as thiomerosal in a vaccine. Also fish is a well-known
source of mercury poisoning despite cooking (some Chinese children in
Australia have been found to have very high levels of mercury from being
weaned on fish congee ).

PM.

PM