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Peter Bowditch wrote:
.... "Peer review" does NOT even equal "scientific". It's just good practice, is all. Not necessarily related to the scientific method. Alternative practitioners and skeptics can be equally scientific or even more so than "peer review" practitioners. As you obviously have no idea of the relationship between "science" and "peer review" any further discussion is pointless. This point, though also drivel, is worth commenting upon since many people share this misconception. Because modern scientists uses peer review a lot, many people believe this is the essense of "science". However, this is a misunderstanding. The scientific method does not actually contain a "peer review" step. The method primarily consists of observing, formulating hyoptheses to explain observation, and conducting experiments to refine/reject/accept the hypotheses. The "peer review" is simply a process by which many journals decide what to publish. The idea is that if a person is working in field X, other people who have studied field X are the best suited to comment upon that person's work. Thus an article in a history journal may be peer reviewed, without forcing history to be called some kind of science. The sources of confusion between "peer review" and "science" is simple: During the last century or so, science has become lucrative, thus attracting those who have little interest in or understanding of the scientific thought. Since their aim has been to be SEEN as "successful" in science (rather than BEING successful in science), they focus primarily on how to get throgh the "peer review" process and get their names in the limelight. Thus in their minds, the "peer review" process becomes equated with "science". In a natural trickle down process, many idiots then pick up this misunderstanding. |
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wrote: Peter Bowditch wrote: ... "Peer review" does NOT even equal "scientific". It's just good practice, is all. Not necessarily related to the scientific method. Alternative practitioners and skeptics can be equally scientific or even more so than "peer review" practitioners. As you obviously have no idea of the relationship between "science" and "peer review" any further discussion is pointless. This point, though also drivel, is worth commenting upon since many people share this misconception. Because modern scientists uses peer review a lot, many people believe this is the essense of "science". No, they don't, which is why Peter used the phrase 'the relationship between "science" and "peer review"' However, this is a misunderstanding. The scientific method does not actually contain a "peer review" step. The method primarily consists of observing, formulating hyoptheses to explain observation, and conducting experiments to refine/reject/accept the hypotheses. The "peer review" is simply a process by which many journals decide what to publish. The idea is that if a person is working in field X, other people who have studied field X are the best suited to comment upon that person's work. Thus an article in a history journal may be peer reviewed, without forcing history to be called some kind of science. The sources of confusion between "peer review" and "science" is simple: There is no confusion. During the last century or so, science has become lucrative, thus attracting those who have little interest in or understanding of the scientific thought. That's right; thick, greedy people who don't understand science can easily get scientific and medical degrees, and then move on to post-doctoral research (so lucrative...). Since their aim has been to be SEEN as "successful" in science (rather than BEING successful in science), they focus primarily on how to get throgh the "peer review" process and get their names in the limelight. Unfortunately, in order to be seen as successful, you must be successful. Crappy work does often make it through the peer review process, only to be discredited later or ignored. It's not perfect, just the best method we have of excluding crap. Which is why you can be justly suspicious of alt-practitioners who avoid it. If their results are good and their methods sound, they have no reason to do so. Thus in their minds, the "peer review" process becomes equated with "science". In a natural trickle down process, many idiots then pick up this misunderstanding. Apparently, that would just be you. |
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On 3 Aug 2005 17:41:00 -0700, "cathyb"
wrote: That's right; thick, greedy people who don't understand science can easily get scientific and medical degrees, Apparently that's what King Quack Barrett has done ... his lies about the deaths after vaccinations make anyone with a conscience wonder why you and your teammates repeat his lies. I've never lied about vaccinations ... but I have raised awareness to their potential risks ... while being insulted and called a "Liar" ... it is Barrett & your Team who is lying and the numbers clearly prove it. This Quack Campaign is disgusting ... and Barrett's lies about the known deaths should be a crime. |
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Thanks so much for your link ... I was horrified to read of all the deaths and injuries ... next to Barrett's obscene lies ... No wonder they fight us so hard ... On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:34:44 +0000 (UTC), "john" wrote: "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message .. . Sadly, the children killed by the actions of John Scudamore and Dawn Winkler don't have a chance to "get a life". These are just some of the thousands killed by vaccines http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html then we have the hundreds of thousands over the years given nasty diseases like autism and, for example, measles vaccine has never saved one life that you can prove as measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination, yes 99.4%. Yet the MMR vaccine KILLS all the time. |
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"Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... Thanks so much for your link ... I was horrified to read of all the deaths and injuries ... next to Barrett's obscene lies ... No wonder they fight us so hard ... It is lie heaped upon lie in an industry run by Satanists. Without vaccination they would lose billions in revenue in treating the vast industry of vaccine disease http://www.whale.to/a/vax_dis.html This is otitis media http://www.whale.to/vaccine/otitis.html just one vaccine disease worth millions, then add in all the asthma medication etc. At the top they know vaccines don't work and kill people, plus earn them all their money. I think this doc even talks about that http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autismOne2005.ppt.pdf If they know that then morons like Bow**** are to be expected. he probably believes that ****, but they have no trouble brainwashing people like him, if they can make Manchurian robots like Sue Ford http://www.whale.to/b/taylor.html then Bow****s are two a penny "They (The Council) also were very condescending to those individuals who didn't eat properly or exercise. They take immaculate care of their bodies as far as health goes. They are fit and trim and they use natural medicines. The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out the weaker species. The Council views the AMA's 'modern medicine' as barbaric. Their plans are to have mind-enhanced health associates, like some of the USC medical and dental graduates, who provide the new health care for the Elite, after the takeover. Precision surgery with laser technology will make the so-called "modern methods" of surgery obsolete. Miracle medicines and herbs (God's pharmacy) will keep the body healthy. An understanding of the way the electro-molecular energy field around the body operates will allow the healthy body to be kept in perfect alignment creating perpetual perfect health or it can be brought back into alignment easily with the use of high-tech field variation equipment. This will be the modern medicine of the future and upcoming doctors will be trained in these methods in order to further the evolution of the Elite. The Elite plan to enjoy total and complete health due to their technology in electromagnetic fields. They also have antibodies against the diseases they let loose and make sure they are protected. Of course all of these findings came about by research and experiments on unsuspecting groups of people."-Brice Taylor (Thanks For The Memories p 283) |
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Ilena Rose wrote:
On 3 Aug 2005 17:41:00 -0700, "cathyb" wrote: That's right; thick, greedy people who don't understand science can easily get scientific and medical degrees, Apparently that's what King Quack Barrett has done ... his lies about the deaths after vaccinations make anyone with a conscience wonder why you and your teammates repeat his lies. snip And apparently your learned self is STILL too thick to get a degree. You know, I had an easy dozen people over the age of 40 in my medical school class, and I trained alongside a 60 year old lady in residency. What's your excuse, Ilena? Are you lazy or just plain stupid? Mark, MD |
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How can Barrett/Quackwatch get away with such downright easy to prove wrong lies ? ? I've seen it for years ... but learning more about their dangerous propaganda and tactics ... makes me more determined to shine the light on their deception. Thanks so much for the links ... I'm sorry for the way you are treated here ... On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:27:23 +0000 (UTC), "john" wrote: deaths and injuries ... next to Barrett's obscene lies ... No wonder they fight us so hard ... It is lie heaped upon lie in an industry run by Satanists. Without vaccination they would lose billions in revenue in treating the vast industry of vaccine disease http://www.whale.to/a/vax_dis.html |
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john wrote: "Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... Thanks so much for your link ... I was horrified to read of all the deaths and injuries ... next to Barrett's obscene lies ... No wonder they fight us so hard ... It is lie heaped upon lie in an industry run by Satanists. Without vaccination they would lose billions in revenue in treating the vast industry of vaccine disease http://www.whale.to/a/vax_dis.html This is otitis media http://www.whale.to/vaccine/otitis.html just one vaccine disease worth millions, then add in all the asthma medication etc. At the top they know vaccines don't work and kill people, plus earn them all their money. I think this doc even talks about that http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autismOne2005.ppt.pdf If they know that then morons like Bow**** are to be expected. he probably believes that ****, but they have no trouble brainwashing people like him, if they can make Manchurian robots like Sue Ford http://www.whale.to/b/taylor.html then Bow****s are two a penny "They (The Council) also were very condescending to those individuals who didn't eat properly or exercise. They take immaculate care of their bodies as far as health goes. They are fit and trim and they use natural medicines. The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out the weaker species. The Council views the AMA's 'modern medicine' as barbaric. Their plans are to have mind-enhanced health associates, like some of the USC medical and dental graduates, who provide the new health care for the Elite, after the takeover. Precision surgery with laser technology will make the so-called "modern methods" of surgery obsolete. Miracle medicines and herbs (God's pharmacy) will keep the body healthy. An understanding of the way the electro-molecular energy field around the body operates will allow the healthy body to be kept in perfect alignment creating perpetual perfect health or it can be brought back into alignment easily with the use of high-tech field variation equipment. This will be the modern medicine of the future and upcoming doctors will be trained in these methods in order to further the evolution of the Elite. The Elite plan to enjoy total and complete health due to their technology in electromagnetic fields. They also have antibodies against the diseases they let loose and make sure they are protected. Of course all of these findings came about by research and experiments on unsuspecting groups of people."-Brice Taylor (Thanks For The Memories p 283) Whaleto and satanists. Most convincing |
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
I have never denied that vaccines (or anything else) are completely harmless. Before everyone climbs all over me, what I really meant was "claimed" not "denied". Anti-vaccination liars are, of course, free to quote my mistake until the end of time or all children are dead, whichever comes first. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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john wrote:
"Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... Thanks so much for your link ... I was horrified to read of all the deaths and injuries ... next to Barrett's obscene lies ... No wonder they fight us so hard ... It is lie heaped upon lie in an industry run by Satanists. Without vaccination they would lose billions in revenue in treating the vast industry of vaccine disease http://www.whale.to/a/vax_dis.html This is otitis media http://www.whale.to/vaccine/otitis.html just one vaccine disease worth millions, then add in all the asthma medication etc. At the top they know vaccines don't work and kill people, plus earn them all their money. I think this doc even talks about that http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autismOne2005.ppt.pdf If they know that then morons like Bow**** are to be expected. he probably believes that ****, but they have no trouble brainwashing people like him, if they can make Manchurian robots like Sue Ford http://www.whale.to/b/taylor.html then Bow****s are two a penny "They (The Council) also were very condescending to those individuals who didn't eat properly or exercise. They take immaculate care of their bodies as far as health goes. They are fit and trim and they use natural medicines. The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out the weaker species. The Council views the AMA's 'modern medicine' as barbaric. Their plans are to have mind-enhanced health associates, like some of the USC medical and dental graduates, who provide the new health care for the Elite, after the takeover. Precision surgery with laser technology will make the so-called "modern methods" of surgery obsolete. Miracle medicines and herbs (God's pharmacy) will keep the body healthy. An understanding of the way the electro-molecular energy field around the body operates will allow the healthy body to be kept in perfect alignment creating perpetual perfect health or it can be brought back into alignment easily with the use of high-tech field variation equipment. This will be the modern medicine of the future and upcoming doctors will be trained in these methods in order to further the evolution of the Elite. The Elite plan to enjoy total and complete health due to their technology in electromagnetic fields. They also have antibodies against the diseases they let loose and make sure they are protected. Of course all of these findings came about by research and experiments on unsuspecting groups of people."-Brice Taylor (Thanks For The Memories p 283) Could you please explain to me how I become a member of 'The Elite'? It sounds like I better become one quick or I'm gonna be in big trouble. |
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