Man walks into office and kills ex-girlfriend over child support

"John Larkin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:38:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
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John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that. (And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never* behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father for 12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:56:31 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"John Larkin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:38:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that. (And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never* behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father for 12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?


I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something? Even if
she collects $84K, that amounts to $7000 a year, about 80 cents an
hour, not to mention expenses like food and clothing and medical.

I think that sex education classes, in addition to teaching about
sperm and eggs and condoms and AIDS, should also teach about child
support laws and wage attachments and statutes of limitation. Maybe
less guys would get into trouble.

Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children? Well, the law doesn't, so be careful. And
don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.

John

"John Larkin" wrote
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Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children? Well, the law doesn't, so be careful. And
don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.
==
Bad analogies. Very bad. These crimes are illegal for everyone. Only NCPs
are mandated to
to spend a percentage of their income on their children. CPs aren't required
to nor
are parents in intact families.

"John Larkin" wrote in

I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something?

His Kid?

Owe her something?

You talk as if raising a child is a total burden with no joy involved.
Why is it my father could raise 3 kids on one blue collar income, yet women
seem to think they are charity cases and deserve a hand out to raise their
own off spring?

I think that sex education classes, in addition to teaching about
sperm and eggs and condoms and AIDS, should also teach about child
support laws and wage attachments and statutes of limitation. Maybe
less guys would get into trouble.

I agree, not many people are aware of child support tyranny that can ruine
their lives!
Forget the sex education bit, most women who find themselves being a single
parent are in there 30's and some in there early 40's. If it's their body
and their choice, then let them live with their choice!!!!!!!!!!!1

Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children?

It's a free world and people are free to make their own choices, choose
wisely!
Why do we tax payers always have to clean up the mess of people's full free
decisions?

And don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.

It's also illegal to Speed, can you say you have never broken the law?

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:30:34 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"John Larkin" wrote in

I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something?

His Kid?

I thought that was the case.


Owe her something?

Owes his kid, actually.


You talk as if raising a child is a total burden with no joy involved.

No, but it is expensive.

Why is it my father could raise 3 kids on one blue collar income, yet women
seem to think they are charity cases and deserve a hand out to raise their
own off spring?

I don't know what women "seem to think." The laws were written mostly
by men. And it's very rare for people who are legally entitled to
stuff to not demand it.


I think that sex education classes, in addition to teaching about
sperm and eggs and condoms and AIDS, should also teach about child
support laws and wage attachments and statutes of limitation. Maybe
less guys would get into trouble.

I agree, not many people are aware of child support tyranny that can ruine
their lives!
Forget the sex education bit, most women who find themselves being a single
parent are in there 30's and some in there early 40's. If it's their body
and their choice, then let them live with their choice!!!!!!!!!!!1

Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children?

It's a free world and people are free to make their own choices, choose
wisely!

Exactly. Play the game and know the risks.


Why do we tax payers always have to clean up the mess of people's full free
decisions?

Child support enforcement is intended to shift the risk to the missing
parent, and away from taxpayers.


And don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.

It's also illegal to Speed, can you say you have never broken the law?


If I speed, I'm running a calculated risk, and I know I'll be fined if
I am nabbed. So I drive 75 on the freeway, like most everybody else,
and the risk is acceptable. I don't drive 95, because that's a much
bigger deal. If I do get a ticket, I just pay it.

I might point out that the child support laws were written a long time
before women were allowed to be legislators or judges or even to vote.
If it's the laws you are unhappy about, blame the men who wrote them.
Otherwise, blame nature. But any guy who understands the law and
understands nature can judge the risks for himself. Same as mountain
climbing: there's fun and there's risk.

I had a kid, split with her mother, and paid a lot of support. No
legal proceedings made me do it. I did it because the kid was mine.

How about you? Any experiences here?

John

"John Larkin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:56:31 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"John Larkin" wrote in
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:38:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that.
(And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never*
behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have
passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father for
12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?


I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something? Even if
she collects $84K, that amounts to $7000 a year, about 80 cents an
hour, not to mention expenses like food and clothing and medical.

I would say that when the woman can give the man HIS SHARE of the hugs and
kisses, the first steps and first sords, the firts day of schools, the
"let's paly ball, Dad's" and wrestling matches and dancing-on-Daddy's-feets,
and all the other wonderful growing up memories that dad's and kids share,
then and only then should he pay her "child support" for all the years she
stole from him and his child. If SHE made the unilateral decision to be a
single parent for 12 years (while keeping all the wonders of the child's
growing and development for herself), she should be not only willing, but
obligated, to pay the price herself.

If you gave your friend a lawnmower, and he mowed your lawn for you for 5
years, but only did it while you were at work, and never told you he was
doing it, would you be willing to fork over several thousand dollars when he
demanded it at the end of 5 years?


I think that sex education classes, in addition to teaching about
sperm and eggs and condoms and AIDS, should also teach about child
support laws and wage attachments and statutes of limitation. Maybe
less guys would get into trouble.

I absolutely agree with that!! They should also educate young women as to
the rigors af rearing a child alone, if the many should fly the coop once he
realized that a child was coming along.


Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children?

Actually, I don't. I do think we need to do a better job with post
conception rights, so that men have the same right to walk away from an
"oopsie" as women do. And I think we need to begin by making sure that
walking away from "oopsies" does not become a lifestyle for either men or
women. I think if there were some reform in the Child Support system so
that women weren't practically assured custody and money from dad--so that
it was more evenhanded--we would see far fewer oopsies and far fewer broken
homes.

Well, the law doesn't, so be careful. And
don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.

As well it should be.

"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"John Larkin" wrote in
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:56:31 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


"John Larkin" wrote in
message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:38:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that.
(And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never*
behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have
passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father for
12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?


I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something? Even if
she collects $84K, that amounts to $7000 a year, about 80 cents an
hour, not to mention expenses like food and clothing and medical.

I would say that when the woman can give the man HIS SHARE of the hugs and
kisses, the first steps and first sords, the firts day of schools, the
"let's paly ball, Dad's" and wrestling matches and
dancing-on-Daddy's-feets, and all the other wonderful growing up memories
that dad's and kids share, then and only then should he pay her "child
support" for all the years she stole from him and his child. If SHE made
the unilateral decision to be a single parent for 12 years (while keeping
all the wonders of the child's growing and development for herself), she
should be not only willing, but obligated, to pay the price herself.

If you gave your friend a lawnmower, and he mowed your lawn for you for 5
years, but only did it while you were at work, and never told you he was
doing it, would you be willing to fork over several thousand dollars when
he demanded it at the end of 5 years?

Sorry, but I see too many men who abuse their children or spouses to totally
agree with you. To make my point, if you gave your friend a lawnmower and
he broke it while doing your lawn.... should YOU have to pay for it?


I think that sex education classes, in addition to teaching about
sperm and eggs and condoms and AIDS, should also teach about child
support laws and wage attachments and statutes of limitation. Maybe
less guys would get into trouble.

I absolutely agree with that!! They should also educate young women as to
the rigors af rearing a child alone, if the many should fly the coop once
he realized that a child was coming along.


Do you feel that men can have sex with women and just abandon them and
the resulting children?

Actually, I don't. I do think we need to do a better job with post
conception rights, so that men have the same right to walk away from an
"oopsie" as women do. And I think we need to begin by making sure that
walking away from "oopsies" does not become a lifestyle for either men or
women. I think if there were some reform in the Child Support system so
that women weren't practically assured custody and money from dad--so that
it was more evenhanded--we would see far fewer oopsies and far fewer
broken homes.

Well, the law doesn't, so be careful. And
don't drive drunk, or rob banks, because that's illegal too.

As well it should be.

"John Larkin" wrote in

I had a kid, split with her mother, and paid a lot of support. No
legal proceedings made me do it. I did it because the kid was mine.

How about you? Any experiences here?

yea, I've been completely ****ed over@

Lost my job, my ability to work and waiting for deportation proceedings!

This is for the best interest of the child! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"April" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"John Larkin" wrote in
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:56:31 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"John Larkin" wrote in
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:38:32 -0700, "teachrmama"
wrote:


John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that.
(And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never*
behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like
a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have
passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father
for 12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?


I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something? Even if
she collects $84K, that amounts to $7000 a year, about 80 cents an
hour, not to mention expenses like food and clothing and medical.

I would say that when the woman can give the man HIS SHARE of the hugs
and kisses, the first steps and first sords, the firts day of schools,
the "let's paly ball, Dad's" and wrestling matches and
dancing-on-Daddy's-feets, and all the other wonderful growing up memories
that dad's and kids share, then and only then should he pay her "child
support" for all the years she stole from him and his child. If SHE made
the unilateral decision to be a single parent for 12 years (while keeping
all the wonders of the child's growing and development for herself), she
should be not only willing, but obligated, to pay the price herself.

If you gave your friend a lawnmower, and he mowed your lawn for you for 5
years, but only did it while you were at work, and never told you he was
doing it, would you be willing to fork over several thousand dollars when
he demanded it at the end of 5 years?

Sorry, but I see too many men who abuse their children or spouses to
totally agree with you. To make my point, if you gave your friend a
lawnmower and he broke it while doing your lawn.... should YOU have to pay
for it?

Oh, I see. Because some men abuse their children, all men should be handed
the sh*tty end of the stick? That doesn't even begin to make sense, April.
Are you attempting to say that a woman who has a child without informing the
man that she is pregnant, then demands 12 years of back child support plus
ongoing support has the RIGHT to do that. because some men have been
abusive? No proof necessary that this particular man might become
abusive--just the woman's unilateral decision? I've known some mothers who
have abused their children--does that mean that it is ok with you that a
father could take his child and run off with the child, and 12 years later
demand 12 years of back child support?

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:56:31 -0700, "teachrmama"
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wrote:


John, think about it. How would you feel in a situation like that.
(And
please don't go all preachy on me and tell me how you would *never*
behave
in such a way as to create such a problem)


I have no idea. I wouldn't get into a situation like that.

How did I know that you were going to say that. So, John, I would like
a
bit of clarification from you. Do you feel that it is ok for a woman
to
conceal from a man the fact that he is a father until 12 years have
passed,
then demand current child support plus 12 years of back support? Do
you
feel that she is doing right by the child to deny that child a father
for 12
years so she can build herself a nice nest egg?


I'd prefer she didn't, but then if she has fed, housed, and cared for
his kid for 12 years, don't you think he owes her something? Even if
she collects $84K, that amounts to $7000 a year, about 80 cents an
hour, not to mention expenses like food and clothing and medical.

I would say that when the woman can give the man HIS SHARE of the hugs
and kisses, the first steps and first sords, the firts day of schools,
the "let's paly ball, Dad's" and wrestling matches and
dancing-on-Daddy's-feets, and all the other wonderful growing up
memories that dad's and kids share, then and only then should he pay her
"child support" for all the years she stole from him and his child. If
SHE made the unilateral decision to be a single parent for 12 years
(while keeping all the wonders of the child's growing and development
for herself), she should be not only willing, but obligated, to pay the
price herself.

If you gave your friend a lawnmower, and he mowed your lawn for you for
5 years, but only did it while you were at work, and never told you he
was doing it, would you be willing to fork over several thousand dollars
when he demanded it at the end of 5 years?

Sorry, but I see too many men who abuse their children or spouses to
totally agree with you. To make my point, if you gave your friend a
lawnmower and he broke it while doing your lawn.... should YOU have to
pay for it?

Oh, I see. Because some men abuse their children, all men should be
handed the sh*tty end of the stick?
** I'm not saying that. You were making a genaralization and so was I. Each
case is different.

That doesn't even begin to make sense, April.
Are you attempting to say that a woman who has a child without informing
the man that she is pregnant, then demands 12 years of back child support
plus ongoing support has the RIGHT to do that. because some men have been
abusive?
**Nope, wasn't attempting.

No proof necessary that this particular man might become
abusive--just the woman's unilateral decision? I've known some mothers
who have abused their children--does that mean that it is ok with you that
a father could take his child and run off with the child, and 12 years
later demand 12 years of back child support?
** My Mother left my father with me when I was 2, After 30 years, I finally
found my father. My mother told me lies all my life. I WAS an abused
child. Mentally, Physically and Emotionally by her. My mother doesn't
deserve anything. It was her choice to keep me away from my father all
those years and deprive me of having him in my formative years. ( doesn't
matter, come to find out I was always like him even when he wasn't around
lol) I'm just saying you were generalizing in your post so I retorted doing
the same. I don't totally disagree with you but I don't totally agree
either. There are exceptions.