Vaccine autism evidence non existant

Henry wrote:
john wrote:

The evidence is now overwhelming, despite the misinformation from the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of
Pediatrics and the Institute of Medicine. The (Pretending to) Combat Autism
Act By Bernard Rimland

Another tinfoil hat wearing paranoid whack-job spewing bull**** from a
special interest website run by nut jobs who quote blogs of dubious origin as
proof of their misinformation

Vaccine-autism link doctor faces misconduct inquiry
Irish Independent, Ireland - 11 Jun 2006
Andrew Wakefield, who published a paper in 1998 purporting to show a link
between MMR vaccine and autism, is accused of publishing "inadequately
founded ... .

Yeah, such a shame - the first time an apparent non-kook did some
actual research and published it properly - the anti-vaccination agents
of Satan must have been wetting themselves with excitement at the
thought of all the extra children who would be damaged or killed by
easily-preventable childhood diseases....and he turns out to have been
a fraud - who would have guessed it.....?

"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke

john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke



G-d's BIG Joke:

John

http://tinyurl.com/ce9xo

Both full of ****.

Mark Probert wrote:
john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke



G-d's BIG Joke:

John

http://tinyurl.com/ce9xo

Both full of ****.

No - it is superstitious anti-vaccination peasants who are full of
****.

Just look at the Amish - as a result of their stupid opposition to the
benefeits of modern medicine, 1 in 50 Amish babies was born severely
damaged as a result of maternal rubells during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kmbpe

1: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 1995 Jul;14(7):573-8. Related Articles, Links

High incidence of congenital rubella syndrome after a rubella
outbreak.

Mellinger AK, Cragan JD, Atkinson WL, Williams WW, Kleger B, Kimber
RG, Tavris D.

National Immunization Program, Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA.

Previous studies of the incidence of congenital rubella syndrome
(CRS) after rubella outbreaks have been limited because most women with
infection during the first trimester elected to have their pregnancies
terminated. After a rubella outbreak in 1991 we measured prospectively
the impact of maternal infection on CRS among the Amish in one county
in Pennsylvania. We compared rubella serology of Amish women delivering
before and after the outbreak and cord blood rubella IgM from Amish and
non-Amish infants. Before the outbreak 20% of Amish women were
susceptible to rubella; after the outbreak 4% were (P = 0.001). Of
Amish infants 15% tested positive for rubella IgM; no non-Amish infants
did (P 0.001). This rubella outbreak in a largely unimmunized
community led to a high rate of CRS. The annual CRS rate among the
Amish was 2130/100,000 live births. Health care providers should
promote immunization in all clients and intensify efforts among the
Amish.

PMID: 7567284 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

In article ,
john wrote:

"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke

vs the aptly named John Scudamoron.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei...apter1-6b.html

G-d's Justice System

When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system. If I
am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a message to G-d.
Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted; there's no room for mercy
and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion the very justice system with
which He views us. If we see only the bad in others, we bring upon ourselves
the very judgment we, in our minds, visit upon others daily.

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338

In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting for
people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"

The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight extra
words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100% 'clean. In the
Book of Berei****, for instance, Noach is told to choose for the ark from
among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle that is not pure...' [- instead
of referring to the latter group using the Hebrew term for ritually impure
beasts, "Tameh." ] In disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah
does not say that the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does
not have split hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is
impure because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be expressed in
the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.

When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.

First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said. When
something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using clean,
appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that Rav Tzvi
Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his words, always
carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it. He would never say
things in the negative, but would always couch his ideas in positive terms.


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke

G-d's BIG Joke:

John

http://tinyurl.com/ce9xo

Both full of ****.

"Arthur Brain" wrote in message
oups.com...



Just look at the Amish - as a result of their stupid opposition to the
benefeits of modern medicine, 1 in 50 Amish babies was born severely
damaged as a result of maternal rubells during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kmbpe


Yes, look at the Amish, no autism in unvaccinated children

"A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the
United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism?" ---Dan
Olmsted http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted_h.html

john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message
oups.com...

Just look at the Amish - as a result of their stupid opposition to the
benefeits of modern medicine, 1 in 50 Amish babies was born severely
damaged as a result of maternal rubells during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kmbpe

Yes, look at the Amish, no autism in unvaccinated children

Please provide the published research to back that up....

So, assuming un-vaccinated children never suffer autism (which is
false, of course) please explain how suffering 1 in 50 babies to be
born damaged by Rubella is a sensible risk to take to avoid a 1 in 250
chance of developing autism?

This is the irrationality of the anti-vaccination kooks on display -
there are risks with vaccinations - very small risks, so small it is
almost impossible to quantify them.
The *benefits* of vaccination, however, as we can see from comparing
vaccinated populations with the Amish, are huge.
1 in 50 is terrible odds, and that is only one of the many diseases
which children are protected from by vaccinations.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, these Danes *did* do the research,
and they found the autism rate was the same in vaccinated or
un-vaccinated children:

Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, et al. "A Population-Based Study of Measles,
Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism" NEJM 2002;347:1477-1482

Unlike Andrew Wakefield (whose "research" was based on the faked
results of tests on a sum total of 12 children), these proper
scientists studies 500,000 children to obtain their results.
Unlike Andrew Wakefield, the Danish study has *not* been shown to be
fraudulent.

SO *real*, *honest* researchers have shown that autism and vaccination
arre not linked, in the slightest.

WHo shall we believe?

john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message
oups.com...

Just look at the Amish - as a result of their stupid opposition to the
benefeits of modern medicine, 1 in 50 Amish babies was born severely
damaged as a result of maternal rubells during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kmbpe

Yes, look at the Amish, no autism in unvaccinated children

Come to think of it, I think I have figured out how you come to this
conclusion: in a thoroughly autistic society such as the amish, it
stands to reason that children with autism are not diagnosed.......

Arthur Brain wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
john wrote:
"Arthur Brain" wrote in message

David Wright--always wrong
Brain--no brain

god's little joke


G-d's BIG Joke:

John

http://tinyurl.com/ce9xo

Both full of ****.

No - it is superstitious anti-vaccination peasants who are full of
****.

Just look at the Amish - as a result of their stupid opposition to the
benefeits of modern medicine, 1 in 50 Amish babies was born severely
damaged as a result of maternal rubells during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kmbpe

1: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 1995 Jul;14(7):573-8. Related Articles, Links

High incidence of congenital rubella syndrome after a rubella
outbreak.

Mellinger AK, Cragan JD, Atkinson WL, Williams WW, Kleger B, Kimber
RG, Tavris D.

National Immunization Program, Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA.

Previous studies of the incidence of congenital rubella syndrome
(CRS) after rubella outbreaks have been limited because most women with
infection during the first trimester elected to have their pregnancies
terminated. After a rubella outbreak in 1991 we measured prospectively
the impact of maternal infection on CRS among the Amish in one county
in Pennsylvania. We compared rubella serology of Amish women delivering
before and after the outbreak and cord blood rubella IgM from Amish and
non-Amish infants. Before the outbreak 20% of Amish women were
susceptible to rubella; after the outbreak 4% were (P = 0.001). Of
Amish infants 15% tested positive for rubella IgM; no non-Amish infants
did (P 0.001). This rubella outbreak in a largely unimmunized
community led to a high rate of CRS. The annual CRS rate among the
Amish was 2130/100,000 live births. Health care providers should
promote immunization in all clients and intensify efforts among the
Amish.

PMID: 7567284 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Careful, Arthur, there are those morons who actually believed Olmsted
about the Amish.