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psych meds for kids: my concerns
Pure bilge from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology
"Theta" wrote in message om... (Ted Shoemaker) wrote in message . com... Hello, I need your advice and wisdom. This post isn't intended to give the impression that meds are ALWAYS GOOD or ALWAYS BAD. Let's start with the guess that meds are somewhere in between: both good and bad, and deserving of a critical examination. Consider a child who is diagnosed with a cluster of neurological and/or psychiatric disorders, and the doctors wanted to give him/her some meds. I don't know when it's a good idea to treat with meds, and when to refuse. Hi Ted. It is good that you are cautious and are willing to investigate this subject. My first question to you is what "neurological/psychiatric disorders" has this child been labelled with? No psychiatric "disorder" or "mental illness" has any scientific validity whatsoever. Diagnoses for any such "ill" is based on subjective conjecture, with reference to the vague descriptions used within the DSM IV (the Diagnostic & Statistics Manual), the psychiatric "bible" of all mental "disorders". Because of this, one must ask what a drug, or worse - a drug "cocktail", is being proposed for? They are not "correcting" anything. They have the same effects on people with or without these "illnesses". They "work" in the same way pot "works" for a dude who wants to "chill out". If there is a "desirable" effect then wooohooooooo! Here's the prescription! Well, cocaine has a "desirable effect" too, as does any 'recreational drug'. But most people know that such drugs are harmful and can damage the brain and body through repeated use. Fortunately, people are finally learning the same with regards to psychiatric "medication". Did you know Effexor's just been banned for under-18s in the UK? That's 2 down. About time too. My advice. Quit agreeing with psychiatric terminology. Quit using it. If someone tells you that your kid has a "mental illness" or a learning "disorder", simply ask them how the f*^k they know that? Ask them for medical evidence. Tests, scans, you name it. You'll eventually realise that they really don't have a clue and that it's all a bunch of baloney. Take your kid for valid medical testing, to make sure that "psychiatric symptoms" are not the result of an underlying PHYSICAL problem. Check also for allergies, for vitamin/mineral deficiences, or for psychological issues that can be addressed. Use exercise, relaxation, self-help if needed. Visit http://www.alternativementalhealth.com also for advice and information on how to help your child. For additional advice, up-to-date news, support and further resources, please visit http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters All the best Mike -- Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
(Theta) wrote in message . com...
Folks, 'theta' here is Scientologist poster. Don't get fooled. The cult has not the best interest of your child in mind (or theirs - www.taxexemptchildabuse.net) but because their founder L. Ron Hubbard decreed that the psychiatric profession is responsible for all the crime in the world, his little minions like 'theta' here do their diligent work of their puppet master. FYI, Scientology says that there aren't any mental illnesses and requires its members to sign release forms stating such. Recenlty these contracts emerged after one of their members (Lisa McPherson - www.lisamcpherson.org) died after 17 days of isolation and was force feed drugs against her consent. Ask yourself if you would let your kid sign the following and do away with his/her family in time of need: "I do not believe in or subscribe to psychiatric labels for individuals It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally incompetent person-- only those suffering from spiritual upset of one kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all psychiatric labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire to be helped exclusively through religious, spiritual means and not through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including involuntary commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be denied my right to care from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or psychiatric directed care, regardless of what any psychiatrist, medical person, designated member of the state or family member may assert supposedly on my behalf." http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...n-Release.html Mike Gormez -- http://whyaretheydead.net |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
"Mark Probert" wrote in message .net...
"Theta" wrote in message om... "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... "Ted Shoemaker" wrote in message om... Hello, I need your advice and wisdom. This post isn't intended to give the impression that meds are ALWAYS GOOD or ALWAYS BAD. Let's start with the guess that meds are somewhere in between: both good and bad, and deserving of a critical examination. I disagree with your premise entirely. Medications are neither good or bad, but useful or non-useful. Would you say the same for cannabis, cocaine or ecstasy? These drugs are no doubt "useful" to those that take them. Actually, yes. The first two seem to have a valid medical use. I am not aware of a possible medical use for the last. Giving Ritalin to a child for "ADHD" is not a "medical use" because there is no such disease. It is a label given to a person exhibiting particular behavioural traits that, listed in the DSM IV, the APA considers to be a "mental illness". Diagnoses are based solely on subjective conjecture, NOT in medical science. What would you do if you found out your child used cocaine regularly? Or ecstasy? Serious question. What would you do? Mike |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
Zzzzz...so you keep saying. One wonders why you still bother reading my posts.
Mike "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... Pure bilge from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology "Theta" wrote in message om... (Ted Shoemaker) wrote in message . com... Hello, I need your advice and wisdom. This post isn't intended to give the impression that meds are ALWAYS GOOD or ALWAYS BAD. Let's start with the guess that meds are somewhere in between: both good and bad, and deserving of a critical examination. Consider a child who is diagnosed with a cluster of neurological and/or psychiatric disorders, and the doctors wanted to give him/her some meds. I don't know when it's a good idea to treat with meds, and when to refuse. Hi Ted. It is good that you are cautious and are willing to investigate this subject. My first question to you is what "neurological/psychiatric disorders" has this child been labelled with? No psychiatric "disorder" or "mental illness" has any scientific validity whatsoever. Diagnoses for any such "ill" is based on subjective conjecture, with reference to the vague descriptions used within the DSM IV (the Diagnostic & Statistics Manual), the psychiatric "bible" of all mental "disorders". Because of this, one must ask what a drug, or worse - a drug "cocktail", is being proposed for? They are not "correcting" anything. They have the same effects on people with or without these "illnesses". They "work" in the same way pot "works" for a dude who wants to "chill out". If there is a "desirable" effect then wooohooooooo! Here's the prescription! Well, cocaine has a "desirable effect" too, as does any 'recreational drug'. But most people know that such drugs are harmful and can damage the brain and body through repeated use. Fortunately, people are finally learning the same with regards to psychiatric "medication". Did you know Effexor's just been banned for under-18s in the UK? That's 2 down. About time too. My advice. Quit agreeing with psychiatric terminology. Quit using it. If someone tells you that your kid has a "mental illness" or a learning "disorder", simply ask them how the f*^k they know that? Ask them for medical evidence. Tests, scans, you name it. You'll eventually realise that they really don't have a clue and that it's all a bunch of baloney. Take your kid for valid medical testing, to make sure that "psychiatric symptoms" are not the result of an underlying PHYSICAL problem. Check also for allergies, for vitamin/mineral deficiences, or for psychological issues that can be addressed. Use exercise, relaxation, self-help if needed. Visit http://www.alternativementalhealth.com also for advice and information on how to help your child. For additional advice, up-to-date news, support and further resources, please visit http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters All the best Mike -- Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:22:51 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote: "PF Riley" wrote [usual ad hominem attack snipped] Second, look at the actual evidence that the meds are safe and effective. Some of the drugs have never been tested on kids, and most only appear to be only marginally effective in adults. Most? Give some examples of drugs that are only marginally effective in adults, with citations. ... Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft. Even under studies that were cooked to favor the drugs, they only performed marginally better than placebos. Eg, see this study from last year. http://www.journals.apa.org/preventi...e0050023a.html oh dont confuse him with the facts. Improvement at the highest doses of medication was not different from improvement at the lowest doses. The proportion of the drug response duplicated by placebo was significantly greater with observed cases (OC) data than with last observation carried forward (LOCF) data. If drug and placebo effects are additive, the pharmacological effects of antidepressants are clinically negligible. If they are not additive, alternative experimental designs are needed for the evaluation of antidepressants. __ "In its recent infatuation with symptomatic, push-button remedies, psychiatry has lost its way not only intellectually but spiritually and morally. Even when it is not actually doing damage to the people it is supposed to help,…it is encouraging among doctors and patients alike the fraudulent and dangerous fantasy that life's every passing 'symptom' can be clinically diagnosed and, once diagnosed, alleviated if not eliminated by pharmacological intervention." Paul R. McHugh Professor of Psychiatry, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
To point out your bilge, naturally!
"Theta" wrote in message om... Zzzzz...so you keep saying. One wonders why you still bother reading my posts. Mike "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... Pure bilge from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology "Theta" wrote in message om... (Ted Shoemaker) wrote in message . com... Hello, I need your advice and wisdom. This post isn't intended to give the impression that meds are ALWAYS GOOD or ALWAYS BAD. Let's start with the guess that meds are somewhere in between: both good and bad, and deserving of a critical examination. Consider a child who is diagnosed with a cluster of neurological and/or psychiatric disorders, and the doctors wanted to give him/her some meds. I don't know when it's a good idea to treat with meds, and when to refuse. Hi Ted. It is good that you are cautious and are willing to investigate this subject. My first question to you is what "neurological/psychiatric disorders" has this child been labelled with? No psychiatric "disorder" or "mental illness" has any scientific validity whatsoever. Diagnoses for any such "ill" is based on subjective conjecture, with reference to the vague descriptions used within the DSM IV (the Diagnostic & Statistics Manual), the psychiatric "bible" of all mental "disorders". Because of this, one must ask what a drug, or worse - a drug "cocktail", is being proposed for? They are not "correcting" anything. They have the same effects on people with or without these "illnesses". They "work" in the same way pot "works" for a dude who wants to "chill out". If there is a "desirable" effect then wooohooooooo! Here's the prescription! Well, cocaine has a "desirable effect" too, as does any 'recreational drug'. But most people know that such drugs are harmful and can damage the brain and body through repeated use. Fortunately, people are finally learning the same with regards to psychiatric "medication". Did you know Effexor's just been banned for under-18s in the UK? That's 2 down. About time too. My advice. Quit agreeing with psychiatric terminology. Quit using it. If someone tells you that your kid has a "mental illness" or a learning "disorder", simply ask them how the f*^k they know that? Ask them for medical evidence. Tests, scans, you name it. You'll eventually realise that they really don't have a clue and that it's all a bunch of baloney. Take your kid for valid medical testing, to make sure that "psychiatric symptoms" are not the result of an underlying PHYSICAL problem. Check also for allergies, for vitamin/mineral deficiences, or for psychological issues that can be addressed. Use exercise, relaxation, self-help if needed. Visit http://www.alternativementalhealth.com also for advice and information on how to help your child. For additional advice, up-to-date news, support and further resources, please visit http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters All the best Mike -- Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters |
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psych meds for kids: my concerns
More pure bilge from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.
"Theta" wrote in message om... "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... "Theta" wrote in message om... "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... "Ted Shoemaker" wrote in message om... Hello, I need your advice and wisdom. This post isn't intended to give the impression that meds are ALWAYS GOOD or ALWAYS BAD. Let's start with the guess that meds are somewhere in between: both good and bad, and deserving of a critical examination. I disagree with your premise entirely. Medications are neither good or bad, but useful or non-useful. Would you say the same for cannabis, cocaine or ecstasy? These drugs are no doubt "useful" to those that take them. Actually, yes. The first two seem to have a valid medical use. I am not aware of a possible medical use for the last. Giving Ritalin to a child for "ADHD" is not a "medical use" because there is no such disease. It is a label given to a person exhibiting particular behavioural traits that, listed in the DSM IV, the APA considers to be a "mental illness". Diagnoses are based solely on subjective conjecture, NOT in medical science. What would you do if you found out your child used cocaine regularly? Or ecstasy? Serious question. What would you do? My son wouldn't. he realizes the differences between medication and drug abuse. |
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