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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style &crime higher than you think
On 25 Sep 2003, Kane wrote: On 25 Sep 2003 03:41:25 -0700, (Greg Hanson) wrote: So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus? The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that? No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off! Yeah, I guess the NewZealanders, one of the more actively interested research countries on such matter is lying, dawgonitanyways. http://www.epochnz.org.nz/newsletter/6/sweden.shtml Now there is a reliable source! ;-) Why a second-hand report from an organization with an agenda to ban spanking WORLDWIDE??? Why not post the Durrant (1999) directly and see if it can stand to scientific scrutiny? Do you expect organization like EPOCH New Zealand to give you an unbiased truth? Why not give them the other side? Try this: http://www.nkmr.org/english/sweden_d...ess_claims.htm The recent report of the effects of this ban is based on data from official Swedish sources on: support for corporal punishment, reporting of child physical assault, child abuse mortality, prosecution rates, and interventions by social authorities. Findings show that: public support for corporal punishment has declined =96 it is now 11% identification of children at risk has increased child abuse mortality is rare Did you know the author admitted that the analysis did not even reach statistical significant? Did you read the orginal study yourself? Child abuse mortality was rare in Sweden even before they passed their anti-spanking law! prosecution rates have remained steady =96 there has not been a greater criminalisation of caregivers social service interventions have become increasingly supportive and preventive. The author concludes that while it is likely that social policies and demographic changes may have also contributed to the trends, she reports it is clear that the original goals of the corporal punishment ban have been met. And this is propaganda, nothing less! Did she says what Sweden parents do instead of spanking? How about yelling...oops "verbal conflict resolution"!!!??? "Swedish parents now discipline their children; and in doing so, they rely on a variety of alternatives to physical punishment. The method most commonly used is _verbal_conflict_resolution_, which invites parents as well as children to express their anger in words. Parents insist that discussions involve constant eye contact, even if this means taking firm hold of young children to engage their attention. Parents and professionals agree that discussions may escalate into yelling, or that yelling may be a necessary trigger for discussion. Still, many point out that while yelling may be humiliating, it is better than ignoring the problem or containing the anger, and it is usually less humiliating than physical punishment." It is better to yell at your kid - just call it "verbal conflict resolution"! ;-) ________________________ Awwww. Greegor losses his turn as towel boy at the local kindergarten .... And Kane9 just proved to the newsgroup what his character is! ;-) Doan |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crimehigher than you think
What is this post about? Are you trying to respond to someone's post?
If so, please do not cut the attributes. The internet isn't a coffee party. Not everyone has read or remembered every post, every thread, or every comment you have made. What no spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are you talking about? Who are the "no-spank WAGs?" What have whoever these people are been bluffing about? LaVonne Greg Hanson wrote: So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus? The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that? No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off! |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
LaVonne:
Please see the original thread: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think (You posted there yourself!) If you look to the top poster in this thread you can see who named this thread this way. Unlike bureaucrats like you, most other people detest needless duplication (quotation) of long threads. To summarize though: Fern posted a link to a Danish story about murder rates in no-spank Sweden. The author even seemed to jibe at Sweden a bit for the no-spank claim. One official did state that the stats were wrong, including suicides as murder. Kane responded to this in his usual style, but one precious gem was that he pointed out that Sweden has no-spank laws, but no enforcement of them. I jeered at the oft repeated example of how wonderful no-spanking laws work and what good they have done. Kane had exposed the big BLUFF about SWEDEN that anti-spank zealots used for YEARS to enhance their myths. More information was eventually added somewhere that people in Sweden do a lot of YELLING at their kids. Verbal problem resolution or some other label. That is a very brief synopsis. I'd like to add another thought that did not come up regarding the original Danish story. Do you think it was really an accident that SUICIDE numbers got mixed in there? |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crimehigher than you think
Greg,
What you need to do is retain the portion of the post to which you are responding. It is your responsibility for clarifying posts, not the readers. Original threads expire and/or are not on everyone's news server. But you called me a bureaucrat. Thank you, but what a hoot. On this ng, I've been accused of working for CPS, of being a minister, of being a child-abuser, of receiving government money for CPS reports, and some other things I can't right now remember. But I've never been called a bureaucrat. How funny! LaVonne Greg Hanson wrote: LaVonne: Please see the original thread: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think (You posted there yourself!) If you look to the top poster in this thread you can see who named this thread this way. Unlike bureaucrats like you, most other people detest needless duplication (quotation) of long threads. To summarize though: Fern posted a link to a Danish story about murder rates in no-spank Sweden. The author even seemed to jibe at Sweden a bit for the no-spank claim. One official did state that the stats were wrong, including suicides as murder. Kane responded to this in his usual style, but one precious gem was that he pointed out that Sweden has no-spank laws, but no enforcement of them. I jeered at the oft repeated example of how wonderful no-spanking laws work and what good they have done. Kane had exposed the big BLUFF about SWEDEN that anti-spank zealots used for YEARS to enhance their myths. More information was eventually added somewhere that people in Sweden do a lot of YELLING at their kids. Verbal problem resolution or some other label. That is a very brief synopsis. I'd like to add another thought that did not come up regarding the original Danish story. Do you think it was really an accident that SUICIDE numbers got mixed in there? |
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