Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can
only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting
it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been
continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame
for that one?


TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage.
I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt
from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would
you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a
desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her
family :-)

It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it.

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they
are unable to support their families.

Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people control
it by proper diest, exercise, use of insulin, etc. They do not use it as an
excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of
people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper diet and medication. They do
not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it by
not drinking (one day at a time). They do not use it as an excuse to avoid
their responsibilities.

Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot be
controlled by the person who experiences it. They are unable to meet what
would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated.


And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support
your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work,
someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring
into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.

What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to haul
her butt out of bed because she knows she and her children will be supported
any way? Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to
support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a
choice?

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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can
only assume that it did not come through to
your server, so I am reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he
should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would
you like to blame for that one?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely accused,
arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing?

I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with
such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show
compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever
means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar
circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind
that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is
unable to support her family :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with
excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is not
a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease.
Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental
disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of genetic
connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease.

It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in every way it qualifies as a disease.


Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you Moon,
would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism, which
is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not.

The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it.

And apparently you don't like it.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person
in a position where they are unable to support their families.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

According to Websters...

Alcoholism
Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&-
Function: noun
1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological and
nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive
drinking

Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support
your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work,
someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring
into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd
somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault for
what the criminal did to them.

And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as well...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"teachrmama" wrote in message ...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ...

"teachrmama" wrote in message ...
I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to
your server, so I am reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he
should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one?


TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit
with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by
whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind
that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-)

It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it.

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a
person in a position where they are unable to support their families.

Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people control it by proper diest, exercise, use of
insulin, etc. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper
diet and medication. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it by not drinking (one day at a time). They
do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot be controlled by the person who experiences
it. They are unable to meet what would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated.


And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.

What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to haul her butt out of bed because she knows she
and her children will be supported any way?

I disagree that you can claim to know someone else's motivations.

Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to
support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a choice?

Most certainly I disagree with this part.

That first drink can be a trigger to the disease - one that they may well not have known they were going to suffer from.

Kind like like that workaholic who suffers a heart attack?

The diabetic who loses his sight and one kidney?

The smoker who ends up with cancer?

Or is the cancer not a disease, because it just had to be from the choice of smoking?

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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion
for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that
alcoholism is a desease

No it's not; it's a choice.

It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic components.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm
http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Posting a bunch of websites does not change the fact that choosing to pour
alcohol down one's throat is NOT a disease.





found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family
:-)

It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it.




I mean, this will probably go around and around and around - and now
I'm a nice, handy target for the venom and
finger pointing for which this news group is so well known. So be
it.

I don't recall having been venemous with you, Moon. I don't recall
ever
being venemous with you, although we have had
some rather intense discussions.

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
...
I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can
only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am
reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been
continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame
for that one?


TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge
arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and
remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has
endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that
money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is
a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her
family :-)

It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it.

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where
they are unable to support their families.

Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people
control it by proper diest, exercise, use of insulin, etc. They do not
use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of
people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper diet and medication. They
do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities.

Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it
by not drinking (one day at a time). They do not use it as an excuse to
avoid their responsibilities.

Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot
be controlled by the person who experiences it. They are unable to meet
what would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated.


And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support
your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work,
someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring
into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.

What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to
haul her butt out of bed because she knows she and her children will be
supported any way?

I disagree that you can claim to know someone else's motivations.

Ah, but I notice you don't disagree with the fact that, if she doesn't haul
her butt out of bed, she and her children will be cared for anyway.


Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to
support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a
choice?

Most certainly I disagree with this part.

That first drink can be a trigger to the disease - one that they may well
not have known they were going to suffer from.

Not the first drink they ever took!! The first drink each and every time
they go on a bender! Do you think that once an alcoholic drinks they are
incapable ever after of refraining from drinking? If so, you are very, very
wrong! There are millions of alcoholics who refrain from drinking one day
at a time! Just as other diseases can be kept under control by following
certain regimens, so, also, can alcoholism. There are drinking alcoholics
and alcoholics who have made the choice to stop drinking. Many, many of
them have been sober for years--even decades. The fact that they have the
disease of alcoholism does not stop them from holding jobs, supporting their
families and living life sober. Having the disease may not be a choice--but
drinking *is* a choice.

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I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion
for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that
alcoholism is a desease

No it's not; it's a choice.

It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic
components.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm
http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Posting a bunch of websites does not change the fact that choosing to pour
alcohol down one's throat is NOT a disease.

I won't even enter into an argument about whether or not alcoholism is a
disease, because, as you say, it is a choice whether or not to pour alcohol
down one's throat. If one knows that one cannot handle alcohol, one should
not indulge in alcohol. Just as one who has a peanut allergy should not
indulge in a peanut butter sandwich.

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"Dusty" wrote in message
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
...
I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I
can
only assume that it did not come through to
your server, so I am reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics,
he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he
should have been continuing to support his children. So, who
would
you like to blame for that one?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely
accused,
arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing?

I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with
such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show
compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever
means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar
circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind
that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is
unable to support her family :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated
with
excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is
not
a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a
disease.
Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental
disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of
genetic
connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease.

It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in
every way it qualifies as a disease.

There is no treatment for alcoholism because it is a choice. What causes it?
The choice to consume alcohol. What is the symptom? Choosing excessive
consumption. In every way it qualifies as a choice.



Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you
Moon,
would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism,
which
is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not.

The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it.

And apparently you don't like it.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that
taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as
being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person
in a position where they are unable to support their families.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

According to Websters...

Alcoholism
Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&-
Function: noun
1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological
and
nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive
drinking

Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support
your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do
so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work,
someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring
into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one
is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd
somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault
for
what the criminal did to them.

And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as
well...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"Dusty" wrote in message
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
...
I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I
can
only assume that it did not come through to
your server, so I am reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics,
he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he
should have been continuing to support his children. So, who
would
you like to blame for that one?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely
accused,
arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing?

I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing.

Oh, excuse me, but did you or did you not write the following: "..to get
down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail.."?

The word "picayune" means "trivial". Or where you in a vodka haze when you
wrote it?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with
such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show
compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever
means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar
circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind
that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is
unable to support her family :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated
with
excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is
not
a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a
disease.
Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental
disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of
genetic
connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease.

It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in
every way it qualifies as a disease.

It what? "qualifies"?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you
Moon,
would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism,
which
is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not.

The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it.

And apparently you don't like it.

Oh, plah-eeez!! You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, bit you on the
nose and dangled there for a month.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that
taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as
being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person
in a position where they are unable to support their families.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

According to Websters...

Alcoholism
Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&-
Function: noun
1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological
and
nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive
drinking

Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support
your
family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do
so,
knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work,
someone
else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring
into
the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one
is
choice.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd
somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault
for
what the criminal did to them.

And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as
well...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Moon Shyne wrote:

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Moon Shyne wrote:


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"teachrmama" wrote in message

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I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion

for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that


alcoholism is a desease

No it's not; it's a choice.


It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic components.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm
http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

You can certainly make a case that the proclivity to overindulge is not something that a person chooses.

Just like you can make a case that the proclivity to engage in sex with children is not something that an adult
chooses.

I'd agree that we should give alcoholic women and men who ruin their own lives and the lives of others around them
exactly the same sort of compassion that we give to child molesters who do the same thing.


You would.

Ad hominem and a buck with get you an ice bream bar and the gas station.

- Ron ^*^

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"Dusty" wrote in message
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I
can
only assume that it did not come through to
your server, so I am reposting it for you:

Moon:
Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics,
he
shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he
should have been continuing to support his children. So, who
would
you like to blame for that one?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely
accused,
arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing?

I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing.

Oh, excuse me, but did you or did you not write the following: "..to get
down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail.."?

The word "picayune" means "trivial". Or where you in a vodka haze when you
wrote it?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TM:
I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying
that it is outrageous that he has been hit with
such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show
compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever
means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar
circumstance, demand that money?

Moon:
I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same
compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind
that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is
unable to support her family :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated
with
excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is
not
a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a
disease.
Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental
disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of
genetic
connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease.

It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in
every way it qualifies as a disease.

It what? "qualifies"?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you
Moon,
would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism,
which
is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not.

The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it.

And apparently you don't like it.

Oh, plah-eeez!! You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, bit you on the
nose and dangled there for a month.

Ok, and apparently you are incapable of having a discussion without the gratuitous insults.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TM:
Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that
taking
that
first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as
being
sent
to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be
controlled--just don't drink.


It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as
being jailed, except that both can land a person
in a position where they are unable to support their families.
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According to Websters...

Alcoholism
Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&-
Function: noun
1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological
and
nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive
drinking

Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder.


http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm
http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Perhaps you missed when I posted these?

In any event - it doesn't matter when you agree with me or not.

That's the really cool thing about an opinion - everyone has the right to have one.