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Old April 12th 04, 02:06 AM
Roger Schlafly
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"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote:
No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?

Whether a copyright owner complains or not has nothing to do with whether

a
copyright holder objects.


So? Is the copyright owner objecting and not telling anyone
about it? If so, how would you know?

You said:
"It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission."

That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy
an entire newspaper article.


  #13  
Old April 12th 04, 01:50 PM
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004
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"Brunibus" wrote in message
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote in message
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"Brunibus" wrote in message
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote in message
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"Brunibus" wrote in message
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"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote in message
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"Psi" wrote in message
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FAIR USE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of

which
has
not always been specifically authorized by the copyright

owner.
We
are
making such material available in our efforts to advance
understanding
of environmental, political, human rights, economic,

democratic,
scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as
provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with

Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is

distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and

educational
purposes. For more information, click here. If you wish to use
copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own

that
go
beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the

copyright
owner.


It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a
substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's

permission.
A
disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup

did
NOT
request that information, the rest of your statement is nonsense

too.
You
did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public
forum.


Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its

readership
for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it
posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !

Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of

it
or
not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use,


More bizarreness.


Only in your "mind."

How is it unfair to ANYONE ?


Strawman. Who said it was unfair?


Why did you raise violation of fair use ?


Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the issue of
Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO, violated it.

I'm sorry, but you're just too out there to be normal.


Aha, the fallacy of offensive diagnosis. Well done. Strawman first, then OD
second. I just cannot wait for a red herring, or some other fallacious
argument.

And, I see that you stopped reading too soon, again.



Maybe I'm just a lame-brain, but I'm having severe trouble seeing

exactly
who the loser in all this might be.


You stopped reading my excellently written message too soon. I clearly
pointed out who the first loser is. You can read the rest below.

The first loser in this is the OP, since s/h/its credibility went down

the
crapper for violating fair use. If they cannot be honest in such simple
things, then can they be honest in anything? I say not.

and this reflects on the
character and ethics of the OP. BTW, the OP is a long time re-poster

of
this
type of material and is mindlessly anti-psychaitry.








  #14  
Old April 12th 04, 01:50 PM
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote
The first loser in this is the OP, since s/h/its credibility went down

the
crapper for violating fair use.


No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?



Roger, it is something called personal ethics and standards.

As the old commercial said...

"Try it, you'll like it."



  #15  
Old April 12th 04, 02:57 PM
Brunibus
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote in message
t...

"Brunibus" wrote in message
...

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote in message
t...

"Brunibus" wrote in message
...

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote in message
t...

"Brunibus" wrote in message
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"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote in

message
. com...

"Psi" wrote in message
om...

FAIR USE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of

which
has
not always been specifically authorized by the copyright

owner.
We
are
making such material available in our efforts to advance
understanding
of environmental, political, human rights, economic,

democratic,
scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as
provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance

with
Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is

distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest

in
receiving the included information for research and

educational
purposes. For more information, click here. If you wish to

use
copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own

that
go
beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the

copyright
owner.


It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a
substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's

permission.
A
disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this

newsgroup
did
NOT
request that information, the rest of your statement is

nonsense
too.
You
did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a

public
forum.


Hello ..... ?
The poster's not making any money out of it.
In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its

readership
for
free.
The source is quoted in the post.
What makes you think the author would have an issue with having

it
posted
for free and with a reference ?
Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least !
Unbelievable !

Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of

it
or
not
is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use,


More bizarreness.

Only in your "mind."

How is it unfair to ANYONE ?

Strawman. Who said it was unfair?


Why did you raise violation of fair use ?


Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the issue of
Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO, violated it.



And the difference is ...... ?





  #16  
Old April 12th 04, 04:07 PM
Hagrinas Mivali
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
...
"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote:
No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?

Whether a copyright owner complains or not has nothing to do with

whether
a
copyright holder objects.


So? Is the copyright owner objecting and not telling anyone
about it? If so, how would you know?


I know because the author placed a copyright notice with the work. That
made it clear that the author did not want it copied illegally. It's absurd
to argue that the author did not complain. The author included a NOTICE.
That's stronger than a complaint. It's also absurd to think that the author
will scour Usenet to see if the article was posted illegally. If the author
did complain, it would be to the OP, and not in a public forum.


You said:
"It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission."

That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy
an entire newspaper article.


Because you said so? What you said and what I said are two different things
anyway, but I'd just as soon go by what copyright law says instead of what
you say. What would be the point of even having a copyright law if people
could just publish your entire work without your permission and you could do
nothing about it?


  #17  
Old April 12th 04, 04:39 PM
Vashti
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It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Brunibus wrote:

Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the
issue of Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO,
violated it.



And the difference is ...... ?


That the issue had already been raised by another poster and Mark
responded to the ensuing thread as you yourself did perhaps? A fair use
policy relates to copyrighted material, not specific unfairness which
you brought up.

Usually it would be considered fair use of a copyrighted article to
quote a paragraph or portion(certain percentage maybe?) of an article
while linking to the article in question and *not* the entire article as
the OP seems to have done.


Vashti
  #18  
Old April 12th 04, 04:41 PM
Joe Parsons
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:07:51 GMT, "Hagrinas Mivali"
wrote:


"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
.. .
"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote:
No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?
Whether a copyright owner complains or not has nothing to do with

whether
a
copyright holder objects.


So? Is the copyright owner objecting and not telling anyone
about it? If so, how would you know?


I know because the author placed a copyright notice with the work. That
made it clear that the author did not want it copied illegally. It's absurd
to argue that the author did not complain. The author included a NOTICE.
That's stronger than a complaint. It's also absurd to think that the author
will scour Usenet to see if the article was posted illegally. If the author
did complain, it would be to the OP, and not in a public forum.


Roger's argument (that the copyright owner didn't complain, therefore
unauthorized use of the material is okay) is equivalent to someone's stealing
the property of another and not being discovered--therefore the theft is okay.

Joe Parsons


You said:
"It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission."

That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy
an entire newspaper article.


Because you said so? What you said and what I said are two different things
anyway, but I'd just as soon go by what copyright law says instead of what
you say. What would be the point of even having a copyright law if people
could just publish your entire work without your permission and you could do
nothing about it?


  #19  
Old April 12th 04, 05:00 PM
Roger Schlafly
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"Hagrinas Mivali" wrote
No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner
complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you?

So? Is the copyright owner objecting and not telling anyone
about it? If so, how would you know?

I know because the author placed a copyright notice with the work. That
made it clear that the author did not want it copied illegally.


If the OP copied it in accordance with fair use laws, then there
was nothing illegal about it.

You said:
"It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a

substantial
newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission."
That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy
an entire newspaper article.

Because you said so?


No, because it is the law. Go look it up yourself.

What would be the point of even having a copyright law if people
could just publish your entire work without your permission and you could

do
nothing about it?


The entire work is the newspaper. If someone copied the entire newspaper
without permission, then the newspaper could do something about it.
The OP only copied one article.


  #20  
Old April 12th 04, 05:55 PM
Joe Parsons
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:00:18 -0700, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote:

[snip]

What would be the point of even having a copyright law if people
could just publish your entire work without your permission and you could

do
nothing about it?


The entire work is the newspaper. If someone copied the entire newspaper
without permission, then the newspaper could do something about it.
The OP only copied one article.


The property is the entire Mercedes dealership and inventory. If someone
boosted just one car out of hundreds, the owner of the dealership can do
nothing.

*snicker*

 




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