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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Vashti" wrote in message ... It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Brunibus wrote: Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the issue of Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO, violated it. And the difference is ...... ? That the issue had already been raised by another poster and Mark responded to the ensuing thread as you yourself did perhaps? A fair use policy relates to copyrighted material, not specific unfairness which you brought up. Usually it would be considered fair use of a copyrighted article to quote a paragraph or portion(certain percentage maybe?) of an article while linking to the article in question and *not* the entire article as the OP seems to have done. ZZZZZZZZZZ Vashti |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Joe Parsons" wrote:
The entire work is the newspaper. If someone copied the entire newspaper without permission, then the newspaper could do something about it. The OP only copied one article. The property is the entire Mercedes dealership and inventory. If someone boosted just one car out of hundreds, the owner of the dealership can do nothing. Yeah, if Congress ever passes a law allowing "fair use" of other people's cars, then we'll have some disputes like that. |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Brunibus" wrote in message ... "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote in message t... "Brunibus" wrote in message ... "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote in message t... "Brunibus" wrote in message ... "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 11, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote in message t... "Brunibus" wrote in message ... "Hagrinas Mivali" wrote in message . com... "Psi" wrote in message om... FAIR USE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information, click here. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission. A disclaimer does not make it so. Since readers of this newsgroup did NOT request that information, the rest of your statement is nonsense too. You did not send it to individuals who requested it, but to a public forum. Hello ..... ? The poster's not making any money out of it. In fact, he's doing the author a favour by increasing its readership for free. The source is quoted in the post. What makes you think the author would have an issue with having it posted for free and with a reference ? Your attitude is bizarrely anal, to say the least ! Unbelievable ! Actually, the attitude is right on. Whether one makes money out of it or not is not the issue. The OP clearly violated Fair Use, More bizarreness. Only in your "mind." How is it unfair to ANYONE ? Strawman. Who said it was unfair? Why did you raise violation of fair use ? Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the issue of Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO, violated it. And the difference is ...... ? Something that you failed to comprehend. |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Brunibus" wrote in message ... "Vashti" wrote in message ... It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Brunibus wrote: Check your reading comprehension upthread. I did not *raise* the issue of Fair Use, but commented on the fact that the OP, IMNSHO, violated it. And the difference is ...... ? That the issue had already been raised by another poster and Mark responded to the ensuing thread as you yourself did perhaps? A fair use policy relates to copyrighted material, not specific unfairness which you brought up. Usually it would be considered fair use of a copyrighted article to quote a paragraph or portion(certain percentage maybe?) of an article while linking to the article in question and *not* the entire article as the OP seems to have done. ZZZZZZZZZZ Yes, a very intelligent response. One that I expected all along. Next.... |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message news "Hagrinas Mivali" wrote No, it might very well be fair use. Has the copyright owner complained? If the owner doesn't complain, then why should you? So? Is the copyright owner objecting and not telling anyone about it? If so, how would you know? I know because the author placed a copyright notice with the work. That made it clear that the author did not want it copied illegally. If the OP copied it in accordance with fair use laws, then there was nothing illegal about it. Good. Now you are agreeing that if the OP did not copy within Fair Use, then it was illegal. Thus, illegality is independent of whether the copyrightholder knew of the use. You said: "It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission." That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy an entire newspaper article. Because you said so? No, because it is the law. Go look it up yourself. How about proof of your assertion? While you are at it, address why you are right and http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-a.html is wrong. What would be the point of even having a copyright law if people could just publish your entire work without your permission and you could do nothing about it? The entire work is the newspaper. If someone copied the entire newspaper without permission, then the newspaper could do something about it. The OP only copied one article. Roger, your logic reached escape velocity. |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
wrote If the OP copied it in accordance with fair use laws, then there was nothing illegal about it. Good. Now you are agreeing that if the OP did not copy within Fair Use, then it was illegal. ... No, I didn't say that. It might have been legal for other reasons. Eg, the OP might have gotten permission. You said: "It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission." That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy an entire newspaper article. While you are at it, address why you are right and http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-a.html is wrong. That site says, "There are no hard-and-fast rules". Hagrinas tried to give a hard-and-fast rule, and it is wrong. BTW, Condi Rice was responsible for that Stanford site. |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message ... While you are at it, address why you are right and http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-a.html is wrong. That site says, "There are no hard-and-fast rules". Hagrinas tried to give a hard-and-fast rule, and it is wrong. You are taking that out of context. There are no hard and fast rules in the sense that nothing says that three lines is acceptable and four is not, or that 22% is acceptable but 23% is not. But you don't need hard and fast rules to know that copying a document in its entirety is not allowed. |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
... "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote If the OP copied it in accordance with fair use laws, then there was nothing illegal about it. Good. Now you are agreeing that if the OP did not copy within Fair Use, then it was illegal. ... No, I didn't say that. It might have been legal for other reasons. Eg, the OP might have gotten permission. You said: "It's never considered fair use under copyright law to quote a substantial newspaper article in its entirety without the author's permission." That just isn't correct. It is often considered fair use to copy an entire newspaper article. While you are at it, address why you are right and http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-a.html is wrong. That site says, "There are no hard-and-fast rules". Hagrinas tried to give a hard-and-fast rule, and it is wrong. As close as you can get to a hard and fast rule is that verbatim copying an entire work is not fair use. In the context of newspapers and magazines, an article is an entire work. I am an attorney trained in copyright law and owner of a number of copyrights. CK |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
... "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote If the OP copied it in accordance with fair use laws, then there was nothing illegal about it. Good. Now you are agreeing that if the OP did not copy within Fair Use, then it was illegal. ... No, I didn't say that. It might have been legal for other reasons. Eg, the OP might have gotten permission. In which case the correct way to handle it is to include "reprinted or posted with permission." When I such a tag line is absent, I don't assume it. Every permission I've ever seen or given for copying a copyrighted work has been conditioned on such a disclaimer. CK |
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"ADHD" - A subjective diagnosis
"CK" wrote
That site says, "There are no hard-and-fast rules". Hagrinas tried to give a hard-and-fast rule, and it is wrong. As close as you can get to a hard and fast rule is that verbatim copying an entire work is not fair use. In the context of newspapers and magazines, an article is an entire work. I am an attorney trained in copyright law and owner of a number of copyrights. Yeah, I own some copyrights also. Big deal. Have you ever successfully sued someone who copied a single newspaper article? Forget the legalities. I'd rather see some comment on the content of the article. |
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