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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
Fern wrote regarding children with unexplained broken bones who were removed
to foster care,. "Given that there might be other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways to validate whether or not family is causing bone breakage?" What would those "other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways" be, Fern? |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
CPS could pay for a second opinion.
Instead of relying on their CONTRACTED PROVIDERS. Who validate what CPS offers up. Even the psychologists in Maine attest to such. Read my post about DHS culture Described as: retailatory punitive retributive under-trained This is not my wording, but those of trained psychologists who offer up the truth. Dan is an apologist for DCF's mistakes, failures and illegalities: Subject: Hey Fern! Please go into detail... From: "Dan Sullivan" Date: 1/13/2004 6:09 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Fern wrote regarding children with unexplained broken bones who were removed to foster care,. "Given that there might be other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways to validate whether or not family is causing bone breakage?" What would those "other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways" be, Fern? |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
"Fern5827" wrote in message ... CPS could pay for a second opinion. Instead of relying on their CONTRACTED PROVIDERS. There are numerous radiologists who are more than willing to testfy that spiral fractures can only be caused non-accidentally. The doctors who are qualified to diagnose TBBD or who can form an expert opinion on the cause of broken bones based on xrays, an examination of the child and a review of the facts leading up to the broken bones are few and far between. Chuck found one in Delaware. Cathy found one in NY. Jessica found another in NYC. There just isn't gonna be one in every village, hamlet or county. Who validate what CPS offers up. Even the psychologists in Maine attest to such. All of them? Read my post about DHS culture Where is it? Described as: retailatory punitive retributive under-trained This is not my wording, but those of trained psychologists who offer up the truth. Dan is an apologist for DCF's mistakes, failures and illegalities: I've never apologized for CPS' "mistakes, failures and illegalities." Show me ONCE where I did, Furine. I've always made CPS pay for "mistakes, failures and illegalities" as much as possible. And how many times have I commented "CPS sucks?" Subject: Hey Fern! Please go into detail... From: "Dan Sullivan" Date: 1/13/2004 6:09 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Fern wrote regarding children with unexplained broken bones who were removed to foster care,. "Given that there might be other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways to validate whether or not family is causing bone breakage?" What would those "other, less intrusive, less traumatic ways" be, Fern? |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
Dan wrote (about TBBD aware radiologists)
There just isn't gonna be one in every village, hamlet or county. So you justify the abuse of families who CANNOT get their expert from Vienna? Doctors ignorant of these FACTS should flat out NOT be condemning families. The PRESUMPTION OF GUILT needs to be brought back. The statistics bear it out also. The HYSTERIA about pediatric bone breaks needs to stop. These zealots have got every nitwit who works near an ER swearing up and down that spiral fractures PROVE child abuse! And it's statistically NOT TRUE. Nine out of ten spiral facture cases are NOT child abuse, but the old and incorrect information will persist. Whose job is it to end this false testimony? |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Dan wrote (about TBBD aware radiologists) There just isn't gonna be one in every village, hamlet or county. So you justify the abuse of families who CANNOT get their expert from Vienna? Not at all. I give 'em the studies and point 'em towards a qualified doctor. Doctors ignorant of these FACTS should flat out NOT be condemning families. You tell 'em, Greg. The PRESUMPTION OF GUILT needs to be brought back. The statistics bear it out also. Which statistics? The HYSTERIA about pediatric bone breaks needs to stop. You tell 'em, Greg. These zealots have got every nitwit who works near an ER swearing up and down that spiral fractures PROVE child abuse! What are you gonna do about it, Greg? And it's statistically NOT TRUE. You tell 'em, Greg. Nine out of ten spiral facture cases are NOT child abuse, but the old and incorrect information will persist. So there's nothing anyone can do, Greg? Whose job is it to end this false testimony? You're not doin anything for the next umpteen years, Greg. You do it. |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
Kane wrote
There are only so many experts on this issue so they'd be bound to use one more than once...immediately creating the situation you THINK is taking place...a "relationship" of profit. What you lie about continuously is that doctors would lie for profit in such cases. You are sick. A doctor knows that his or her testimony can do great harm or great good. The assumption that all doctors in that situation are BAD and EVIL and would lie speaks to YOUR PROJECTION. Or Doctor Professor Sir Roy Meadows, famous QUACK! The quack who ruled above all other quacks. So respectable he was even KNIGHTED! Whether it's based on Sterling, Gold or just ZEAL, the harm done is no less. |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
Greg the latest is the use of photos only to diagnose CSA of young children.
The UK is now discrediting those *experts too* who simply rely on photos. See ascps. Greg sent in: Subject: Hey Fern! Please go into detail... From: (Greg Hanson) Date: 1/15/2004 7:09 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Kane wrote There are only so many experts on this issue so they'd be bound to use one more than once...immediately creating the situation you THINK is taking place...a "relationship" of profit. What you lie about continuously is that doctors would lie for profit in such cases. You are sick. A doctor knows that his or her testimony can do great harm or great good. The assumption that all doctors in that situation are BAD and EVIL and would lie speaks to YOUR PROJECTION. Or Doctor Professor Sir Roy Meadows, famous QUACK! The quack who ruled above all other quacks. So respectable he was even KNIGHTED! Whether it's based on Sterling, Gold or just ZEAL, the harm done is no less. |
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
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Hey Fern! Please go into detail...
On 15 Jan 2004 13:19:18 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
Greg the latest is the use of photos only to diagnose CSA of young children. The UK is now discrediting those *experts too* who simply rely on photos. See ascps. What I "see" is that you made a claim about Dan Sullivan that you were asked to support with evidence and you have not done so. Are you waiting for something special, like for the Spring Sap Rising? Dan has responded to each of your excuses....and avoidances, like the gentleman he is (and I am NOT) yet you still haven't supported your bogus vicious and libelous claims against him. Any particular reason for your reluctance to accuse him again, and fail to defend your claim about him and his "defense" of CPS? Kane Greg sent in: Subject: Hey Fern! Please go into detail... From: (Greg Hanson) Date: 1/15/2004 7:09 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Kane wrote There are only so many experts on this issue so they'd be bound to use one more than once...immediately creating the situation you THINK is taking place...a "relationship" of profit. What you lie about continuously is that doctors would lie for profit in such cases. You are sick. A doctor knows that his or her testimony can do great harm or great good. The assumption that all doctors in that situation are BAD and EVIL and would lie speaks to YOUR PROJECTION. Or Doctor Professor Sir Roy Meadows, famous QUACK! The quack who ruled above all other quacks. So respectable he was even KNIGHTED! Whether it's based on Sterling, Gold or just ZEAL, the harm done is no less. |
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