Notice the Doan....

On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan is quite capable of having created the character
"beccafromlalaland" himself or having another do so.

Oh, God! He caught me! ;-) It's no use pretending any more.
Kane caught me! I am beccafromlalaland! ;-) He is so SMART!
I guess I just can't "con" Kane out of this precious study.
Please, Kane! Please let me have it. I must have it!
Please, Kane! Pretty please! I beg you. Please let me
have it! I can't live without it!

Doan

On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
Once again, Kane is put on the line. Can he answer the questions
posed? I like to see how he will weasel out of this one. ;-)

R R R .... how do you like it so far, dancing screeching hysterical
monkeyboy?

There's nothing for me to "weasel' out of, boy.

Who are the researchers mentioned in the last paragraph on page 4 of
the Embry study report, Doan? Or pull another dodge on us. Your pick.

You got me! I don't have. I am waiting for you to send one to
beccafromlalaland. She then will furtively have a rendezvous with
me at a secret location. I will wear my dark sunglasses and she
will nervously hide this precious "unpublished" study under her
trenchcoat. She will hand it over to me for the $1,000,000.00!

You still don't have the report. You never had the report and yet
another try at getting it from me has failed.

Gee! You are so smart! I just can't pull one over you.

You are a fraud.

A rich one! ;-)

But then that's pretty obvious.

By the way, stop with the phony "English is my second language and I
don't write it well" bull****.

I am a foreign spy, remember?

Let me see now. You write or use a translator from spanish and french.
The latter is no surprise of course. I was amused at your conversations
with Aline/alina and your attempt to create a persona with depth,
forgetting that a few posts to a history don't establish much of
anything.

Man, you are good with you "formidable research skill"!

Say hello to Sister Aline for me if she is still living. I always liked
her.

I will. Please keep this secret between you and me, ok? ;-)

Doan

R R R R R R R RR


Doan

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, beccafromlalaland wrote:


KANE:

We can get this whole thing taken care of if You answer the questions I
posted earlier regarding this Embury Study.

Was it published? When? In what Scholarly Journal? Who were the major
researchers? Where does the Dr. Embury teach/research?

I don't need either one of you to send me a copy of it if You would
kindly answer those questions.

If you cannot answer any of my questions or ignore my request once
again I can safely assume that you do not have the "study" in hand.


Oh and I am not a sock. I am a real person. You are quite right on
one point. I am on my own "side" I do not support spanking, I support
non-spanking, I support Parents educating themselves, learning new
techniques. I support Gentle Discipline. And not spanking just
because they were spanked, when there are far more effective means of
discipline.


--
beccafromlalaland

Did you get an answer from Kane?

Doan

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, beccafromlalaland wrote:


0:- Wrote:

No one but I have asked for a copy in years. And he had not
distributed
them. They were for a private survey he conducted,



0:-

Confused...enlighten me. Why do you repeatedly refer to this "study"
and then say they were for a private survey he conducted. Is this
published work, or just some papers stuffed in the back of a filing
cabinent?

More importantly. What is the Name of this study, who are the
contributing researchers, where if anywhere was it published, and what
year. You are right about the benefits of having a University library
at your fingertips. Of course anyone with the gumption to could walk
into any public library and request a copy of the Journal the study was
published in. Ever heard of Inter-library loan?


--
beccafromlalaland

Doan wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan is quite capable of having created the character
"beccafromlalaland" himself or having another do so.


Oh, God! He caught me! ;-) It's no use pretending any more.
Kane caught me! I am beccafromlalaland! ;-) He is so SMART!
I guess I just can't "con" Kane out of this precious study.
Please, Kane! Please let me have it. I must have it!
Please, Kane! Pretty please! I beg you. Please let me
have it! I can't live without it!

You haven't been able to bluff as far back as the archives go, Doan. It
comes from being spanked too far up your backside as a child. You keep
tripping yourself up no matter how much more clever you think you are
than other people.

Kind of fun to watch you though.


Doan



Still having trouble with reading comprehension I see.

Did you say hi to Aline for me? Alina too. Say hello to her as well.

0:-



--
Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be,
the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very
alien he doth appear? Kane 2006

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan is quite capable of having created the character
"beccafromlalaland" himself or having another do so.


Oh, God! He caught me! ;-) It's no use pretending any more.
Kane caught me! I am beccafromlalaland! ;-) He is so SMART!
I guess I just can't "con" Kane out of this precious study.
Please, Kane! Please let me have it. I must have it!
Please, Kane! Pretty please! I beg you. Please let me
have it! I can't live without it!

You haven't been able to bluff as far back as the archives go, Doan. It
comes from being spanked too far up your backside as a child. You keep
tripping yourself up no matter how much more clever you think you are
than other people.

Kind of fun to watch you though.

So can I have a copy this precious study? Those PDF files shouldn't be
large, right? ;-)

Doan

Doan wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:

.........snip..............

You can disagree with anyone you wish. You can even think that the earth
is square for all I care. But guess whom I will believe? ;-)

When did this delusion of yours start that I care about what YOU
believe?


Gee! Then why response to my post. ;-)

You think your beliefs are all that I'm interested in? 0:-


Your an habitual liar and self deluded. What YOU believe is a great
indicator of what others should not.


Hypocrit!

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.




You don't have the study and you are lying about it. You read and
excerpt from some quote. Having access to a university library allows
that. I know you don't have a study because Dr. Embry and I discussed
who he has given it to. It's not published. My own copy is an 8x11 set
he copied from his paper files for me.


Oops! The last time you said it's a PDF file. Want me to look in the
"archives" for you? ;-)

Sure. But so what. It can't be put into a PDF file format? PDF renders
graphically, as you well know as well as character.


It can but it showed that you can't even keep you LIES straight! ;-)

I don't lie.


You are lying now! ;-)

Ho hum.


Can't deny it? ;-)

Don't care. Your credibity is in the ****ter, boy.


No one but I have asked for a copy in years. And he had not distributed
them. They were for a private survey he conducted,


LOL! I can easily prove that you are LYING! But I will save it for
"becca".

Good. Do so. I may be mistaken. Why would you call a mistake a lie?
That is YOUR constant lie throughout your posting history here. You and
someone else disagree, but you call it a lie. They could be mistaken.
But for you it's still a lie.


So now, it's a mistake? ;-)

What are you babbling about?


Your LIES! ;-)

Naw, just dodging as usual.


More LIES! ;-)

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.


Is it a lie when YOU make a mistake, or have the wrong information? Or
are you perfect?


It's a lie when it's contrary to the facts presented. YOU ARE LYING!

That is a lie.


Yes, you are a liar!

Nope. When something is stated that is contrary to the facts YOU
believe, then that person disagrees with you on what those are, and
what they mean. They may be mistaken, or you may be mistaken but
neither are lying.


In you case, YOU ARE LYING!

You've claimed you proved I was, yet that was a lie, because you've
proven nothing, Alina.

Lying is an intentional attempt to decieve. You are very familiar with
that because you do it most of your posting. And you accelerate it when
cornered.


Fit you PERFECTLY! ;-)

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.

If something "contrary to the facts presented" was a lie, you'd be
lying even more than you do.


You are just too STUPID to see it! ;-)

No, I know what a lie is and what a disagreement is. You might catch me
in a mistake, but never in a deliberate attempt to decieve. That's your
speciality.


LIAR!

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.

"Facts" are often a matter of individual interpretation, as you of all
people here know. 0:-

LOL!

In other words you can't debate this claim. That's ok. You always have
at least "LOL!"


LOL!

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.



...............snip yawn .........................

Because you are a LIAR! ;-)

How would you know I was lying about having the study?


Because it has been proven so!

I don't recall any of your posts where that happened. Enlighten us.


Or is it that if YOU decide someone is lying you give yourself the
right to lie?


I proved that you LIE!

Nope. A claim is not a proof.


All I asked was that to debate Embry, as you challenged me to, you
provide proof you had the study. I'm not going to debate a contant liar
that makes things up as he goes.


You are the LIAR that makes things up as you go!

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.


If you had the study you could have easily answered my question about
what information was on a particular page.

Any particular reason you refused to?


Because you are a LIAR!

No, it's because you didn't have the study. If you refused because I
was a "LIAR" then there would be no reason to even bother to challenge
me to a debate on Embry.


I have the study and willing to provide it to anyone who ask. You, on the
other hand, CAN'T! You haven't even answer the question that
beccafromlaland asked about the study. WHY?

Funny, you weren't willing to provide it to Alina, that told us she
asked for it, but you wanted the pittance that is postage to send it to
her. I just weighed my copy on my office postal scale. It's cheap as can
be for printed material.

You too poor?

You were dodging, and your answer now is simply another dodge.


No. You are the DODGER!

I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.

I told you from the beggining when YOU challenged ME to debate Embry,
that I'd do so if you could prove to me you had a copy of the study
report I have. I asked you specific questions that would have easily
established that.

Why were you unable, or smile unwilling to answer those simple
questions? Afraid to actually debate the material, or just don't have
it and got caught lying and creating socks to fraudulently obtain a copy
of my copy?


I can send her my copy and, at the same time, you
send her yours.

No, I'll wait until she reports she has yours.


LOL! I figure you would. I called your bluff and you DODGED!

No, you demanded I do something, and I said I would do it. You don't
know if I'll dodge until you send your copy and I don't. Or I do.
That's the risk you have to take if you want the definitive answer.


I know you are dodging because you don't even have the nerve to offer
the study. You are like Sadamn Insane and his WMD. YOU DON'T HAVE
IT but pretend you do! You should learn that lesson! ;-)

I offerred and delivered the study to three different posters. I turned
Alina/Aline down because it became abundantly clear your hand was up
"her" dress, mmmm...sock.

It was quite obvious, since I know the campus there, when you slipped
and yourself "mispelled" OUR Aline/Alina with the name of the well known
nun from the campus.

You've always been your own worst enemy, Doan. You are too smart for
yourself, or think you are.

I have no way of knowing if "becca" is just another Aline/Alina of
yours. Things have a way of working out though, just as you slipped in
your campaign to try and con me out of a copy and the fraud was
exposed.


LOL! You are funny!
I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.


Aline/Alina existed in only a few post until showing up here, and only
a few after and disappeared for ever after our exchange and my pointing
out the odd coincidence that "Aline" claimed you wouldn't ship her a
copy unless she paid postage, "so could I have a copy of yours?" I
laughed my ass off at that BS.


why?

Oh, history on the USC campus, the sudden appearance out of nearly thin
air, when I offerred to provide a copy of the study to anyone but you,
of Aline/Alina.


What's interesting is that two posters here, besides myself, have their
copies I supplied them. They know, if they've ever bothered to check
back here that you are lying.

Oh! You and your imaginary friends. I believe you! ;-)

Sweat, dancing monkeyboy.

Your Aline ploy was gross misrepresentation and fraudulent bs.

LOL!
I just knew you would come up with something really brilliant in the way
of a diversion. You always do when cornered and unable to answer.

No denial I see. No offer to provide a logical explaination how
Aline/Alina could be a real person that just happened to pop up shortly
after my offer and ask for the study. Odd, no? I just love coincidences.
I was trained to spot them.

For all I know you could have worked up yet another even more elaborate
one. Maybe even getting a friend to shill for you.


Just to get a copy of a study that support your argument??? Are you
really this STUPID? ;-)

Sure. You made a claim you had the study and can't wait to get a copy so
you "prove" you had it all along.

Doan you've drug this out so long now you really should give it up. If
you did get a copy it would be patently obvious you never had it.
Suddenly springing up debate from it after over a year of dodging simple
questions to establish you have it is the giveaway.

The problem with some, not all, intelligent people such as yourself is
that you overrate yourself and underrate others.

There are readers here quite intelligent enough to, had they followed
this conversation (and some have and backchanneled to me LTAO at you) to
see you for what you really are.


When becca gets a copy, and can answer a simple question or two to
authenticate that she has it, I will most happily send her a copy of MY
copy.

You have o ask her. I don't know her. She seems to support you CAUSE.
;-) Why don't you just send her those PDF files (or is it paper now?)
to her and instantly prove to her that I am a liar and you are telling
the truth. You can't, because YOU ARE A LIAR!

Aline/Alina supported "the "CAUSE," right?

The PDF files did not turn out well. I had not checked all pages when I
scanned them in, but upon checking, since we are not involved with
"beccafromlalaland," I see far too many that did not render well.

I'll send her a copy as soon as she recieves and proves she has your
copy. I'll just ask her some of the same questions I've asked you. I'm
sure she would answer truthfully, don't you?

I find it odd though that with her interest in non-spanking that she
just suddenly expressed a lack of interest and want ME to prove I had
them by answer HER questions, yet she didn't smile ask you.

Curious, isn't it though? R R R R R R

Let's see who is the REAL LIAR.

No problem. Send her the copy.


I will if she'll ask me. And If you ask her, maybe she'll let you borrow.
;0(

Nope. Don't need it. Have my own, and mine is the only copy, unless YOU
provide me with yours, I'll debate you from.

Send me a postage paid envelope. I'll be glad to send it to you, or
anyone that asked.

Nope. I have one. I don't need yours. The requirement is that you have a
copy of the SAME report I have. You said you did way back when. Yet you
would not answer identifiying questions.

I don't want to debate from whatever you have, nor take your bluff and
find you weaseling out again.

I'm satisfied with my copy.

And I'm sure becca will be when she has your copy, if she wants it. You
just have to convince her that either it's valuable enough to have, or
to help you prove to me that you have it.

She seems reasonable and helpful, but then she may not
want....hehehehe.....to get mixed up on this.

Even if it does make you like like your her sockpuppet master and
weaseling yet again.

But I'd much rather use my copy. Your claimed copy and a few quotes
look very much as though pulled from someone else's quotes of Embry.
Not his actual report.


LOL! So why can't you even answer the question posed by
beccafromlalaland?

Ah, but I did. We are behind the sequence of posts here, so your
question is natural. I had not when you posted this...because I had not
seen her post asking me.

You'll see I answered her fully and provided you even more material to
cobble something together with the little bits and pieces you have to
con any unfamiliar readers into thinking you have a real copy in full.

Wanna call me on it?
Here is your chance, "never-spanked" boy. I DARE YOU! I DOUBLE DARE YOU!

Same old childish hysterical screeching I see.


Same old lying Ignoranus Kane0, I see! ;-)

Same old childish hysterical screeching I see.

LOL! Just having fun at your expense, Ignoranus Kane0!

Yes. I'm glad I can bring some small joy into your life after having to
expose you for what you are. Hope you are sleeping well.

You can thank your parents for the trouble you find yourself in here
credibility wise. They made you what you are.

It's that blasted spanking thing, and how it pollutes the parent child
bond of trust. The child has to go through such unbelievable
restructuring the reality they thought was true...that parents are
protectors.

Damn shame, Doan. You have so much potential, wasted in this ego
inflating trip of yours.


If becca wants a copy, and is willing to substantiate for me, when she
receives it from you, that it is indeed the same as my copy, I'll be
happy to provide here with mine to establish that we both have the same
report. Then "Let the games begin." We'll debate Embry.


LOL! So you can't provide her with your PDF or paper?

I said I would. Once she has yours, and proves it to me, she'll have
mine as proof, of course, that I also have it.

If it turns out she has something different, then of course all bets are
off. But that's easy to establish.


Here is your chance to prove that I am a liar to "becca".

I don't need to. You are doing a fine job yourself. Do you think she'll
give you her address?


If she want me to send her a copy. How else do you think I can get it
to her?

Hand carry and meet in a public place? That's what I'd demand if I were
here.


LOL! You are funny. Someone would have to buy an airplane ticket to
Oregon to meet you?

I've no idea. I'm not willing to go to Oregon except on business.
Remember the honeypot. My IP is bought and paid for by someone else.
I use a host and connect via a remote IP.

I've been very serious when I say my life has been threatened and I've
taken steps to deal with it. I communicate with no one here that I do
not check out. You included.

Because I've never played sides and have supported and assisted people
from both sides of the child protection issues, and because the child is
my "client," in such things, I've had considerable heat from both sides.
Some have tried to either frighten me, or they were indeed threatening
me seriously with death.

I met their people head on and they ran. I own a nice new..well it was
then, pickup as a result. Some don't like me at all. How about you?

Yer a sicko.


A sicko is someone arraning a meeting with a total stranger over the
Internet. Are you sure you are a sicko? ;-)

You think suggesting you and she meet is dangerous?

Frankly I think if you ever did have to face yourself, yes, it might be
very dangerous for your mental health and possibly to those around you.

Didn't I mention "meet in a public place?" Or you still having that
comprehension problem. It's up from here only a couple of dozen lines.


Or you could fax. Easy enough. She could even take delivery at a
Kinkos.


And how much will it cost me. You said you have the PDF version, you
can just emailed it. But let it guess, you won't! ;-)

My file did not render well enough to read. I wasn't aware of that back
when I scanned it into a PDF file. I have no trouble at all providing,
at my own printing and mailing expense, a copy of it to "becca" when she
has your copy.

Sorry. I don't know here from Alina. smile and I want YOU to ask Dr.
Embry for your own copy just as I had to. It's not available by any
other means, and you know that. Except of course from me.

And you aren't getting a copy until you admit you don't have one. If you
want to debate me that would be the easy way out. But you don't. You
want to play one-up, and that's all you've ever wanted to do here.

Go ahead. Dodging with stupid questions like, "If she want me to send
her a copy. How else do you think I can get it to her?" just shows how
childish you are. And rather stupid to boot.


And you go ahead and refuse to send anyone a copy with stupid excuse like
it's a scam from me!

I haven't refused to send her a copy. It's you that refuse to send yours
first.

Why are you so afraid of her?

Why are you so afraid of me? ;-)

I'm not the least afraid of you. Why would you think so?

I simply have no desire to play your phony games with you. I've told you
my terms for YOUR challenge to debate the Embry study.

All YOU have to do is prove you have a copy of your own of the report I
have. Nothing to it really....but here you are still dancing, what...two
years later?

She will
applaud you for it. Go ahead, Ignoranus Kane0. Make my day! ;-)

Why would she be pleased...presuming that's what you mean by "applaud
you for it," at anyone being proven a liar? She's fairly new here and
our exchange, so far as I've seen, is repugnant to her.


But she is on your side, is she not?

No, she is not on my "side." She is on her own "side."


So she is not anti-spanking?

I don't have an anti-spanking "side."

I'm like you, neutral. In the same way you are, in fact. 0:-


She appeared to be somewhat disgusted with us both at our apparent
bickering.


She is disgusted at you? Poor Kane! I guess she is not impress with
your professorship implication. ;-)

I'm on Usenet. Such things really don't matter a lot here. I was not
implying. I've taught. I did not claim professorship.

If she's a real person and not your sock and cares to she can find out
what you are by googling your posting history.


Why don't you use you "formidable research skill"? Are you so STUPID?

You don't know whether I already have or not. But I can smell your sweat
from here. And am one hell of a lot further from you than Oregon.

If she's really curious I can show her how to run much further back in
your history as well.


And you also show her all your precious posts. I'll bet you she will be
impressed! ;-)

Sure, if she wants to look at them, she's welcome.

But at this point, given what I've found about her so far, I think
everything is now on hold for the receipt of your copy of the Embry report.

I'm patient, as you've learned.


But she can find what she needs to judge for herself what you are,
Doan. Without my help.


I have nothing to hide. I will even provide my copy the Embry study.

I'll bet "becca" can hardly wait.

Let's see if, smile she refuses it though. What a nice easy weasel for
you that would be. But I'll plead for her to accept it and help you
prove me a liar (though I've never thought you might not have it, only
that you have failed to prove you do so it looks very much like you don't)

Something you just can't. I'll bet she will be impressed. ;-)
Maybe she then will join me and exposed your STUPIDITY! ;-)

I'm fine with that. But you having a copy and not proving it here,
easily by calling my bluff on a few simple identifying questions and
going into this long elaborate charade might impress only a sock, not a
seperate real other person than you, or your buddy.

Why are you calling me "Ignoranus Kane0?"


Look it up with your "formidable research skill". Don't even know what it
means right, STUPID "never-spanked" boy!

That's a very stupid answer.


For a STUPID person like you, it fit perfectly! ;-)

That's again a very stupid answer.

But I'll give you an answer to your previous question: "Look it up with
your "formidable research skill"."

No.

And what's with this Dirty Harry "Make my day! ;-)" silliness?


Just having fun at your expense, STUPID!

I had been perfectly polite to you. How is it you continue the
abusiveness?


Because you are an "ignoranus"! ;-)

I had been perfectly polite to you. How is it you continue the
abusiveness?


Is that what's this is all about to you? A contest?


It could be, if you wanted it to be! ;-)

I'll decide what I want it to be.


If you wanted to. ;-)

Yes. Now you are getting it.


You can too, for that matter.


At your expense, of course!

Not so far.


I prefer fact finding. That's why how the Embry study is debated is
important to me. I am not playing at winning anything here. I believe
you are.


And yet you hide it like a cat hides his stinking ****! ;-)

I haven't hidden it. I've offered repeatedly to even send it, but more
important, to debate you in response to your demand that I do so, if you
have the same report I do from the study.

It's not rocket science.

I'm trying to get to and always have, the best facts possible in
spanking issues. You spend your time with rude attacks on whatever is
offered. Mosty running from those things you cannot deal with, like
being caught lying about your own postings concerning Dodson.


Hypocrit!

Name calling is not fact finding. Nor does it reflect anything when you
do it than your incapacity to handle being caught.


Hypocrit!

Name calling is not fact finding. Nor does it reflect anything when you
do it than your incapacity to handle being caught.


It does not matter whether or not I'm a "hypocrit." The question now
is, are you?


You have proven that you are an "hypocrit"! ;-)

The question now is are you one?

Send becca the study. I'm sure she is a kindly person that will help you
in any way she can.

I can prove you are, and did so. Or you lied about your not using
Dodson to support your arguments.


LIAR !

Gosh, how many times do I have to repost your posts where you do?


Ask for the study, but be sure to mention your activities here. I
believe I pointed out the ng to him when I spoke to him last.


Perhaps you can have him vouch for you. Shall I forward this to his
email address? You know his email address, don't you? ;-)

Yep. Send it to him. I'd love to see him come here and deal with you.


I thought you know him. Why don't you call him and invite him? ;-)

I did. About the time you and I got into discussing his study and my
request, that you refused, that you prove you had the study so we would
be talking about the same material, rather playing at your silly
oneupsmanship games.


Good. So call him up and tell him how smart you are. ;-)

Why would I do that, child?


Because I called your bluff! ;-)

I have no reason to tell him how smart I am. I'm not under your orders.
And that isn't calling someone's bluff.

How about you prove to me you have the study, that you have claimed for
so long you have? Or are you working up your courage to ask for a copy
from him....or, more likely, did you and he caught on to who and what
you are and turned you down?

Life's full of mysteries, isn't it?

Doan

Doan

But thanks for the obvious repeated attempt to dodge, Aline.


Sure, Ignoranus Kane0. I'll you Dr. Embry will have a laugh when he
read this. ;-)

Send it.


I will!

Waiting. By the way, he does not know me by the name Kane. Any attempt
to gather information from him about me will be met with considerably
more than annoyed name calling Doan. Trust me on this. I've already
discussed this aspect of our "debate," with him.


Right, I believe you. ;-) {sacasm added}

I'm not concerned whether or not you believe me, but entirely on what
your actions are.

You are a childish little man dealing with adults and you don't know
it.

You'll find it out.


LOL! And I am having fun at your expense!

Then you are trolling me?

You are quite talented if that is what you are doing.


I consider you a stalker. So do others.


A stalker with valid email and address to be traced back to? Come on,
Kane0. Are you really this STUPID?

Nope. What makes you think that stalkers try to hide who they are all
the time?


Because they are STUPID as you are!

Non sequitur.


Doan

I got a telephone service about a year ago. Costs me a little and I had
to engage law enforcement by court order to get it, but it's worth it.

I have a telephone account that removes caller ID blocking. That means
anyone that calls me cannot block the ID of the phone being called
from.


LOL! YOU ARE STUPID. Look up on caller ID!

Nope. Can't, normally. Calling me though, an caller's ID cannot be blocked.

What's your interest in this?

Kane is not a fink.


No. BUT A LIAR, YES!!!

Why would you even respond to this?

How would you know if I'm a "Fink" or not?

Wow! I didn't know monkeys could sweat so.

0:-


Doan


0:-



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Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be,
the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very
alien he doth appear? Kane 2006

Doan wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:

On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:



Doan is quite capable of having created the character
"beccafromlalaland" himself or having another do so.


Oh, God! He caught me! ;-) It's no use pretending any more.
Kane caught me! I am beccafromlalaland! ;-) He is so SMART!
I guess I just can't "con" Kane out of this precious study.
Please, Kane! Please let me have it. I must have it!
Please, Kane! Pretty please! I beg you. Please let me
have it! I can't live without it!

You haven't been able to bluff as far back as the archives go, Doan. It
comes from being spanked too far up your backside as a child. You keep
tripping yourself up no matter how much more clever you think you are
than other people.

Kind of fun to watch you though.


So can I have a copy this precious study? Those PDF files shouldn't be
large, right? ;-)

Funny you don't know how big they are. They are almost an inch thick
printed one side. Fairly small font. Surely you know this?

As a PDF file they are quite large..since they have to be rendered as
fully graphics. OCR could barely get anything out of them.

You wouldn't want my PDF file. It's inelligible. Even correcting the
scan doesn't work. The intro pages printed nicely but from there on it's
too faded. The printer used to copy them for me apparently did not
render well, and of course they scanned poorly. I didn't notice when I
read the originals. Must be blue ink.

If we are going to debate I want you to have no excuses.

I will send you a copy when you admit you do not have one and never did.
Not before. Or you can have becca send you her's if she finds it of no
interest. And I'll even pay the postage for all sending.

Doan

Still want a copy?

Why?

You have it already, do you not?

I sure hope you don't think I'm having fun at your expense. I'm quite
serious about this. People from both sides of the debate deserve to see
us look at this study...one of rare ones that were conducted as
deliberatly teaching without CP. Not measuring anything but the
response, from the baseline interview and observation behaviors, to the
response after the parents used the non CP methods.

It's facinating and full of things you could challenge righteously. Not
that that would matter much, given the outcomes seen. Rather impressive.

Those that don't spank won't be surprized though. It's what they see
with their own kids when using their non-cp methods of teaching their
children.

I'm ready when you are. But no pretense starting with you claiming,
after I've sent it to you, that you already had it, "STUPID!"

It's time for our insults to end. Or not, your choice.

0:-

--
Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be,
the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very
alien he doth appear? Kane 2006

Was it published?[/color]

No, I think I mentioned that in a recent post responding to Doan.

If it was not published in a scholarly journal it is nothing more than observation and opinion.

Dr. Embry first was mentioned in this ng by Chris Dugan, if memory
serves, (the originator of this newsgroup). An interview by a parenting
magazine was quoted verbatim. It might have been from a letter sent by
Dr. Embry to the magazine.

Here, I looked up my own post quoting Chris Dugan's post on Dr. Embry's
quote:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...9c1389fb1f24fd

You can review the conversations in this ng on Dr. Embry's study and
report at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...rch+this+group

or at:
http://tinyurl.com/aqwg7

So what you're saying...is you are arguing over how to prevent pre-schoolers from walking into the street during play. (big rolling eyes) GOYB Parenting...simple enough Prevent the misbehavior through interaction with your child, teaching your child how to play safely by BEING there. No "punishment" needed.

I have research report number 2, titled the Safe-Playing Project.

The study was done for and underwritten by AAA Foundation for Traffic
Safety on the problem of traffic safety, and street entries of small
children -- preschoolers. Dr. Embry, at that time with the Dept of
Human Development and Family Life, U of Kansas, Lawrence KS was the
project coordinator, and James L. Malfetti, with the Safety Education
Research Project, Teachers College, Columbia University, NY NY was the
principal investigator.

Well then you were mistaken in saying that it was not published. I can easily contact AAA I'm sure they would have it somewhere if it was indeed underwritten by them.

I don't need either one of you to send me a copy of it if You would
kindly answer those questions.[/color]

Not interested in Embry's study? It's a rare piece of work. Unique and
telling in the support if provides for non-PC parenting strategy on a
subject popular with spankers as a rationale for spanking. Curious you
would be highly curious.


I am no longer interested in it as it apparently covers somehting that is Commen sense. Not something I would consider world changing.

If you cannot answer any of my questions or ignore my request once
again I can safely assume that you do not have the "study" in hand.

Yes, I would presume so. Of course now that I have posted this
information, and especially some from the study Doan will be able to
put that together with various bits and pieces of likely quoted
material from other academics or even articles in popular media, and
create a facade of having this study. He's refused to prove he does.

Does it Matter??


You might ask him a question and report it back to me, as he refused
and refuses to answer me when I ask, that clearly shows he has the same
study I have...which was my requirement before debate.

Ask yourself...Why would I be your mole?


Oh and I am not a sock. I am a real person.[/color]

Socks are real persons. They just are pretending to be someone else.
Doan has created a sock before. A quite clever and believable one.

Perhaps I should have phrased it...I am my own person.

If I were not very familiar with his surroundings I might have missed
that he used a slight variation on the unique name of a venerable
member of the academic community he is in.
Doan was trying to con me out of a copy of the study he claimed he
already had.

Three words. Let it Go.

In fact it all started because he knew, being in a university setting
with a library and references close by to check, that Embry's study was
not academically "published." He was sure I could not have gotten it,
so challenged me.

And you are still arguing about it...one word comes to mine It starts with a C ends with a Y and has RAZ in the middle.



I will ask you before I ship though to establish that you have it again
with a few simple questions about content.

It's not a big secret anymore now is it?

Doan is quite capable of having created the character
"beccafromlalaland" himself or having another do so.

For instance, you don't strike me as being sophisticated about
newsgroup posting technical protocols but oddly you have an obscure but
useful header line that blocks viewing your posting history all at once
in google. I've never seen anyone in this ng use that.

I don't post from the google ng. I post from www.parentingbanter.com perhaps that is why?

Often socks come with very short posting histories that are often very
revealing about who they are by where they've been, or a lack of being
much of anywhere. Doan knows I would check.
A regular poster, not familiar, as Doan and some of his chronies are
with such things, wouldn't know to use that header command.

Been checking up on me eh? You can easily enter my screen name into google search and come up with 105 posts I have made all across the web. Here I've done it for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=beccafromlalaland

This is my "alternative" screen name if you want to check me out further I'll gladly give you my other one too.



Doan also has cronies that might well stand in for him and come here to
fish for him.
You'll forgive me if I take everything as questionable. You should too.

You have the right to question whatever you want. I have nothing to prove. I'm just a faceless name on a computer screen.

I find it fascinating that you write in french for instance.

I can read, write, and do 'rithmetic too! Oh my And I can turn cartwheels. Cook gourmet meals while balancing a toddler on one hip. I can sing, and act...don't ask my to dance though. I am not a one dimensonal person. I don't sit at the desk all day posting feverishly to ng's

Also that you have but a single post to another newsgroup but on a
topic that would seem by your content to be something one would have
continuing comment on.

I said what I wanted to say. I am grateful that after 16yrs of abuse at the hands of my family someone took notice and got me out of there. And I wanted to encourage Foster Parents to continue to do what they know is right because it DOES make a difference. And I don't really like being called a liar by crazy people.

You are quite right on
one point. I am on my own "side" I do not support spanking, I support
non-spanking, I support Parents educating themselves, learning new
techniques. I support Gentle Discipline. And not spanking just
because they were spanked, when there are far more effective means of
discipline.

Yes, you've made that clear. Though your language somehow strikes me as
contrived.

I rewrote that about a half dozen times. still came out a bit wonky. So much for being perfect eh?

But then, we each have our own style. Could be I misinterpret. 0:-)

What brought you to this ng in the first place? A referral?


As I said before, I post from www.parentingbanter.com. There are a lot of newsgroups here. I was reading about VBAC in another forum/ng and saw this one down at the bottom.


Let me know when Doan sends you that study.

No need. I don't need it anymore.
Best, Kane

Doan wrote:
Let's see how Kane0 get out of this one! ;-)

Hi beccafromlalaland,
You want to see if Kane0 or me telling the truth? All you have to
do is ask Kane and me a copy of the Embry Study. Let's see who really
have it. Email me and I will be glad to provide you a copy of mine.
It will save you a trip to the library. ;-)

You promised her a copy? Why do I have to send her one at the same time
then?

Your phony english writing accent is becoming very funny indeed.

Those are the things someone would say, not write.

Isn't it odd that rather than tell you to send it, "becca" rather than
address YOU, turns to me and asks for a lot of information about the
study and the author of it?

Hmmmm....gosh, maybe I'm just being silly. R R R R




Doan

On 25 Jan 2006, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
Let's see how Kane0 get out of this one! ;-)

Hi beccafromlalaland,
You want to see if Kane0 or me telling the truth? All you have to
do is ask Kane and me a copy of the Embry Study. Let's see who really
have it. Email me and I will be glad to provide you a copy of mine.
It will save you a trip to the library. ;-)

You promised her a copy? Why do I have to send her one at the same time
then?

Your phony english writing accent is becoming very funny indeed.

Those are the things someone would say, not write.

Isn't it odd that rather than tell you to send it, "becca" rather than
address YOU, turns to me and asks for a lot of information about the
study and the author of it?

Hmmmm....gosh, maybe I'm just being silly. R R R R


Gee! You are so smart! I just can't fool you, can I? ;-)

Doan