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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
"Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. "Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. And refuse to drop the case. This sort of case shows why Zero Tolerance is unconstitutional. The two kids inhalers are interchangeable. But, the prescriptions are not. Laws are supposed to be for the protection of the people, not for the legal convenience of the government to dictate terms to people. To delay an inhaler only because of some stupid robotic bureaucratic "Zero Tolerance" construct is reprehensible. Which is why children who need rescue medication are allowed to keep their own prescription on hand-not use someone else's. Next they'll let people DIE rather than give them an emergency tracheotomy. Neater paperwork. Much easier to check the boxes on a death certificate than to argue that Zero Tolerance is stupid. (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Hmm.. have you ever lost your car keys? Left you wallet or purse at home? Can't find your check book? Oh, of course not... we live in a perfect world, right? Even the routine asprin is illegal... which, if I understand correctly.. is good for most everything, yet in school it's an illegal drug. Let's use some common sense instead of stupid law and apply intent instead of zero tolerance. We are considered a stupid people being ruled by those even more so. bobb |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , Joni Rathbun says... I wonder if there are any protections provided by Good Sam laws. I understand the legal issues but a good question has been asked: What if it had been a life or death situation? Good Samaritan laws require that you stay within your training. Banty It's ironic that the average citizen is immune generally from administering first aid.. and that's what this girl was doing. Guess these laws don't apply to kids. bobb |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend
"Joni Rathbun" wrote in message ... On 9 Oct 2003, Banty wrote: In article , Joni Rathbun says... I wonder if there are any protections provided by Good Sam laws. I understand the legal issues but a good question has been asked: What if it had been a life or death situation? Good Samaritan laws require that you stay within your training. Hmm. I'm not quite sure how to interpret that. The Good Samaritan laws I'm familiar with are meant to provide some protection to those who voluntarily render aid in good faith, including lay people who may have no particular training. And, I believe, some states have laws that make it an offense to NOT render aid. I was once told to take red cross training in first aid but don't accept their registration. Doing so would exempt you from the Good Samaritan laws and become subject to law suits. You make a good point... I beleive one is not legally oblidged to volunteer first aid but if called upon to assist there is no right of refusal. bobb bobb |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
Donna Metler wrote: "Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. I would do the same thing! I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. LaVonne |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
Greg wrote
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. Donna Metler wrote The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Greg wrote And if she forgets she must DIE or choke enough that she needs an ambulance or emergency tracheotomy? How is that not medical neglect of a child? LaVonne wrote Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. Greg wrote (Sarcasm about bureaucratic mindset) (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." Donna Metler wrote If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. Greg wrote ILLEGAL. What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription medication in the teachers desk in a school? LaVonne wrote I would do the same thing! Greg wrote ILLEGAL. When you get really happy about "letter of the law" I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard. It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"". Donna Metler wrote I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Not even when somebody's choking? Do you know HOW to do an emergency tracheotomy or CPR or is it much too "icky"? Both mothers, both kids, nurse and probably the teacher all knew that their medications were identical. The facts should always trump "what if"'s. Thinking should always trump blind obedience to one-size-fits-all Orwellian application of law. (Reckless disregard for "the spirit of the law") LaVonne said How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. That would involve thinking and fact checking. Try thinking OUTSIDE the bureaucracy, LaVonne. In regard to the "letter of the law" I again ask you to read up on Judge Roland Friesler. His history is all about impeccable legal logic. |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
Greg wrote
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. Donna Metler wrote The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Greg wrote And if she forgets she must DIE or choke enough that she needs an ambulance or emergency tracheotomy? How is that not medical neglect of a child? LaVonne wrote Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. Greg wrote (Sarcasm about bureaucratic mindset) (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." Donna Metler wrote If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. Greg wrote ILLEGAL. What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription medication in the teachers desk in a school? LaVonne wrote I would do the same thing! Greg wrote ILLEGAL. When you get really happy about "letter of the law" I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard. It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"". Donna Metler wrote I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Not even when somebody's choking? Do you know HOW to do an emergency tracheotomy or CPR or is it much too "icky"? Both mothers, both kids, nurse and probably the teacher all knew that their medications were identical. The facts should always trump "what if"'s. Thinking should always trump blind obedience to one-size-fits-all Orwellian application of law. (Reckless disregard for "the spirit of the law") LaVonne said How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. That would involve thinking and fact checking. Try thinking OUTSIDE the bureaucracy, LaVonne. In regard to the "letter of the law" I again ask you to read up on Judge Roland Friesler. His history is all about impeccable legal logic. |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
Greg wrote
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. Donna Metler wrote The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Greg wrote And if she forgets she must DIE or choke enough that she needs an ambulance or emergency tracheotomy? How is that not medical neglect of a child? LaVonne wrote Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. Greg wrote (Sarcasm about bureaucratic mindset) (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." Donna Metler wrote If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. Greg wrote ILLEGAL. What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription medication in the teachers desk in a school? LaVonne wrote I would do the same thing! Greg wrote ILLEGAL. When you get really happy about "letter of the law" I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard. It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"". Donna Metler wrote I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Not even when somebody's choking? Do you know HOW to do an emergency tracheotomy or CPR or is it much too "icky"? Both mothers, both kids, nurse and probably the teacher all knew that their medications were identical. The facts should always trump "what if"'s. Thinking should always trump blind obedience to one-size-fits-all Orwellian application of law. (Reckless disregard for "the spirit of the law") LaVonne said How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. That would involve thinking and fact checking. Try thinking OUTSIDE the bureaucracy, LaVonne. In regard to the "letter of the law" I again ask you to read up on Judge Roland Friesler. His history is all about impeccable legal logic. |
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| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine
Greg wrote
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. Donna Metler wrote The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Greg wrote And if she forgets she must DIE or choke enough that she needs an ambulance or emergency tracheotomy? How is that not medical neglect of a child? LaVonne wrote Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. Greg wrote (Sarcasm about bureaucratic mindset) (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." Donna Metler wrote If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. Greg wrote ILLEGAL. What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription medication in the teachers desk in a school? LaVonne wrote I would do the same thing! Greg wrote ILLEGAL. When you get really happy about "letter of the law" I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard. It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"". Donna Metler wrote I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Not even when somebody's choking? Do you know HOW to do an emergency tracheotomy or CPR or is it much too "icky"? Both mothers, both kids, nurse and probably the teacher all knew that their medications were identical. The facts should always trump "what if"'s. Thinking should always trump blind obedience to one-size-fits-all Orwellian application of law. (Reckless disregard for "the spirit of the law") LaVonne said How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. That would involve thinking and fact checking. Try thinking OUTSIDE the bureaucracy, LaVonne. In regard to the "letter of the law" I again ask you to read up on Judge Roland Friesler. His history is all about impeccable legal logic. |
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"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Greg wrote The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack. Donna Metler wrote The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to provide the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not required to provide prescription medication. Greg wrote And if she forgets she must DIE or choke enough that she needs an ambulance or emergency tracheotomy? How is that not medical neglect of a child? LaVonne wrote Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication, schools cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a physician and the child's medication in original packaging. Greg wrote (Sarcasm about bureaucratic mindset) (Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her." Donna Metler wrote If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored at the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where she's with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her. Greg wrote ILLEGAL. What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription medication in the teachers desk in a school? WRONG-see, I teach in a public school. Rescue medications are allowed to be kept on a child's person, and if the child is too young to keep up with them, the TEACHER is required to do so. I have had years where I had a fanny pack which I got from the office every morning and wore all day, which contained several children's rescue meds, and I have had to be trained in some cases to administer these meds to young children. No law requires that a child be kept away from required medications. LaVonne wrote I would do the same thing! Greg wrote ILLEGAL. When you get really happy about "letter of the law" I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard. It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"". Donna Metler wrote I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the same prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters inhaler and give it to another child. Not even when somebody's choking? Do you know HOW to do an emergency tracheotomy or CPR or is it much too "icky"? Both mothers, both kids, nurse and probably the teacher all knew that their medications were identical. The facts should always trump "what if"'s. Thinking should always trump blind obedience to one-size-fits-all Orwellian application of law. (Reckless disregard for "the spirit of the law") LaVonne said How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder how Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an inhaler that was not prescribed for the child. That would involve thinking and fact checking. Try thinking OUTSIDE the bureaucracy, LaVonne. In regard to the "letter of the law" I again ask you to read up on Judge Roland Friesler. His history is all about impeccable legal logic. |
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