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Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail

Parents Of Teens Lacking Immunization Called To Court
More than 2,000 Prince George's County students have not gotten their
state-mandated shots. Tonight, an ultimatum to some of those parents:
Come to court, get the shots, or else.

Some students have missed as much as a month and a half of school
because they haven't gotten the required immunizations-- for
chickenpox and hepatitis B. So now the school system says it's time to
get tough and take those parents to court. Free clinics, free shots,
door-to-door visits, and countless letters. Still more than 2,300
Prince George's county students don't have their required
immunizations. This Saturday, more than 1600 students and their
parents have been ordered to appear in circuit court for the children
to be immunized.

Health workers will be on hand to give the shots immediately. The
problem is a new law that took effect last year requiring students in
the fifth through 10th grade to also have the chicken pox and
hepatitis b vaccine. Parents who don't show up or fail to comply--
could be fined up to $50 and get up to 10 days in jail. Although
getting students vaccinated by "court order" may seem unusual, the law
is on the school district's side..........
http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.c...o-to-jail.html

The county seems aptly named .

Thanks Vince

On Nov 14, 1:54 pm, bigvince wrote:
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail

Parents Of Teens Lacking Immunization Called To Court
More than 2,000 Prince George's County students have not gotten their
state-mandated shots. Tonight, an ultimatum to some of those parents:
Come to court, get the shots, or else.

Some students have missed as much as a month and a half of school
because they haven't gotten the required immunizations-- for
chickenpox and hepatitis B. So now the school system says it's time to
get tough and take those parents to court. Free clinics, free shots,
door-to-door visits, and countless letters. Still more than 2,300
Prince George's county students don't have their required
immunizations. This Saturday, more than 1600 students and their
parents have been ordered to appear in circuit court for the children
to be immunized.

Health workers will be on hand to give the shots immediately. The
problem is a new law that took effect last year requiring students in
the fifth through 10th grade to also have the chicken pox and
hepatitis b vaccine. Parents who don't show up or fail to comply--
could be fined up to $50 and get up to 10 days in jail. Although
getting students vaccinated by "court order" may seem unusual, the law
is on the school district's side..........http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.c...e-your-kids-or...

The county seems aptly named .

Thanks Vince


So what you have is 1) parents who care little enough about their kids
(or others' kids) to have their kids immunized, 2) parents who are too
lazy to have their kids immunized in a timely manner, or 3) parents
who believe the nonsense they read on the internet and are too stupid
to recognize truth from fantasy.

Hep B isn't benign. Chickenpox isn't benign. HPV isn't benign.
These, and more, diseases are vaccine-preventable.

That's all. Let the wing-nut flame war begin...

Mark, MD

On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Mark wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:54 pm, bigvince wrote:



Merck, MD? wrote:

So what you have is 1) parents who care little enough about their kids
(or others' kids) to have their kids immunized,

Parents who care about their kids act to protect them, not to shuffle
them off like good little sheeple to be shot up and fleeced of their
well being and health.

2) parents who are too
lazy to have their kids immunized in a timely manner,

No comment on lazy parents.

or 3) parents
who believe the nonsense they read on the internet and are too stupid
to recognize truth from fantasy.

Parents who read on the internet and not taken in by the stupid
remarks of the pharma shills do not vaccinate since they recognize the
truth from the lies.

Hep B isn't benign. Chickenpox isn't benign. HPV isn't benign.
These, and more, diseases are vaccine-preventable.


LOL, not a shred of scientific proof for any disease being vaccine-
preventable. Last I heard, in a measles epidemic, 95% of the kids
were vaccinated yet 90% of those ill were in the vaccinated group.


That's all. Let the wing-nut flame war begin...

Mark, MD- Hide quoted text -

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so much for Merck, MD's advice.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly
Not a member of the church of modern medicine

The parents have the option of getting a religious exemption.

Jeff

Mark wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:54 pm, bigvince wrote:
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail

Parents Of Teens Lacking Immunization Called To Court
More than 2,000 Prince George's County students have not gotten their
state-mandated shots. Tonight, an ultimatum to some of those parents:
Come to court, get the shots, or else.

Some students have missed as much as a month and a half of school
because they haven't gotten the required immunizations-- for
chickenpox and hepatitis B. So now the school system says it's time to
get tough and take those parents to court. Free clinics, free shots,
door-to-door visits, and countless letters. Still more than 2,300
Prince George's county students don't have their required
immunizations. This Saturday, more than 1600 students and their
parents have been ordered to appear in circuit court for the children
to be immunized.

Health workers will be on hand to give the shots immediately. The
problem is a new law that took effect last year requiring students in
the fifth through 10th grade to also have the chicken pox and
hepatitis b vaccine. Parents who don't show up or fail to comply--
could be fined up to $50 and get up to 10 days in jail. Although
getting students vaccinated by "court order" may seem unusual, the law
is on the school district's side..........http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.c...e-your-kids-or...

The county seems aptly named .

Thanks Vince


So what you have is 1) parents who care little enough about their kids
(or others' kids) to have their kids immunized, 2) parents who are too
lazy to have their kids immunized in a timely manner, or 3) parents
who believe the nonsense they read on the internet and are too stupid
to recognize truth from fantasy.

Hep B isn't benign. Chickenpox isn't benign. HPV isn't benign.
These, and more, diseases are vaccine-preventable.

That's all. Let the wing-nut flame war begin...

Anti-vac liars will hate this:

Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-
Preventable Diseases in the United States
Sandra W. Roush, MT, MPH; Trudy V. Murphy, MD; and the Vaccine-
Preventable Disease Table Working Group
JAMA. 2007;298(18):2155-2163.

Context National vaccine recommendations in the United States target
an increasing number of vaccine-preventable diseases for reduction,
elimination, or eradication.

Objective To compare morbidity and mortality before and after
widespread implementation of national vaccine recommendations for 13
vaccine-preventable diseases for which recommendations were in place
prior to 2005.

Design, Setting, and Participants For the United States, prevaccine
baselines were assessed based on representative historical data from
primary sources and were compared to the most recent morbidity (2006)
and mortality (2004) data for diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus,
poliomyelitis, measles, mumps, rubella (including congenital rubella
syndrome), invasive Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), acute
hepatitis B, hepatitis A, varicella, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and
smallpox.

Main Outcome Measures Number of cases, deaths, and hospitalizations
for 13 vaccine-preventable diseases. Estimates of the percent
reductions from baseline to recent were made without adjustment for
factors that could affect vaccine-preventable disease morbidity,
mortality, or reporting.

Results A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater
decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended
before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus.
Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has
been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated
worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most
vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis
A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths
of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively.

Conclusions The number of cases of most vaccine-preventable diseases
is at an all-time low; hospitalizations and deaths have also shown
striking decreases.

Author Affiliations: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory
Diseases (NCIRD); Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta,
Georgia.

November 14, 2007
Sharp Drop Seen in Deaths From Ills Fought by Vaccine
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Death rates for 13 diseases that can be prevented by childhood
vaccinations are at all-time lows in the United States, according to a
study released yesterday.

The study, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in
Atlanta, and published in The Journal of the American Medical
Association, is the first time that the agency has searched historical
records going back to 1900 to compile estimates of cases,
hospitalizations and deaths for all the diseases children are
routinely vaccinated against.

In nine of the diseases, rates of death or hospitalization declined
more than 90 percent since vaccines against them were approved, and in
the cases of smallpox, diphtheria and polio, by 100 percent.

In only four diseases - hepatitis A and B, invasive pneumococcal
diseases and varicella (the cause of chickenpox and shingles) - did
deaths and hospitalizations fall less than 90 percent. Those vaccines
are all relatively new - the one for chickenpox, for example, was
adopted nationally only in 1995. Also, some diseases like hepatitis
typically strike adults, who are less likely to be immunized.

The results "are a testament to the fact that vaccines can drive
diseases down to near nil," said Dr. Gregory A. Poland, chief of the
vaccine research group at the Mayo Clinic.

And Dr. Robert W. Sears, an Orange County, Calif., pediatrician who
writes popular medicine books for parents, including a new one on
vaccines, said the study showed "one of the very positive aspects of
vaccination."

Public health officials are involved in a continuing struggle with
antivaccine activists who contend that children's shots trigger
autism, seizures or other serious side effects, and that private
pediatricians often cannot make time to answer all the questions
worried parents have, Dr. Sears said.

A spokesman for the disease control agency, Curtis Allen, said the
study was not done to counter groups that oppose vaccines, "but it
does show conclusively the value of vaccines."

It was in 1796 when Dr. Edward Jenner first vaccinated a boy against
smallpox by pricking his arms with pus taken from the sores of a
milkmaid with cowpox, a closely related but mild disease. Vaccines
against whooping cough were introduced in 1914, against diphtheria in
1928, against tetanus in 1933, and so on, up to the latest
introduction, seven years ago, of the pneumococcal vaccine.

The centers' study estimates the peak years for deaths from each
disease: more than 3,000 deaths from polio in 1952, for example, and
more than 7,500 from whooping cough in 1934.

But as fewer parents see children killed, scarred or brain-damaged by
diseases that were once common, "there's been a shift in who's not
getting vaccinated," said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of diseases at
Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and a vaccine expert.

Until the 1990s, Dr. Offit said, incomplete vaccination was most
common among poor children with no health insurance. But the Vaccines
for Children Program, created in 1994 by the Clinton administration,
helped end that. It provides vaccines free to any eligible child,
which includes 45 percent of American children, Mr. Allen said.

Now, Dr. Offit said, it is more common for children from wealthy or
middle-class families to lack some or all shots, presumably because
their parents have read about side effects or visited one of the many
antivaccine Web sites.

Most children are immunized as part of routine infant care or before
they enter day care or school, but the number of states that allow
religious or "philosophical" exemptions has increased.

Public health officials worry that those children are vulnerable to
diseases that still kill children in poor countries and occasionally
arrive from abroad.

The study showed total or near-total declines in cases of diphtheria,
measles, polio, rubella, smallpox and invasive Hib disease, a type of
pneumonia for which children are now normally vaccinated at as early
as 2 months.

In the 1930s in the United States, there were about 30,000 cases of
diphtheria annually, in which a grayish membrane clogs the airways,
killing about 10 percent of those infected. The disease virtually
never appears in the West now, but in the 1980s, when vaccination
stopped in the former Soviet Union in the chaos of its breakup, there
were 200,000 cases and 5,000 deaths, by Red Cross estimates.

In the United States, rumors of a link to autism and inflammatory
bowel disease are most commonly attached to the measles vaccine,
making it one that some parents avoid.

Refusal is much more common in Britain, and in August the national
Health Protection Agency warned that Britain was having its worst
measles outbreak in 20 years, with 480 confirmed cases and one death.

On Nov 15, 3:23�am, Mark Probert wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:54 pm, bigvince wrote:
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail

Parents Of Teens Lacking Immunization Called To Court
More than 2,000 Prince George's County students have not gotten their
state-mandated shots. Tonight, an ultimatum to some of those parents:
Come to court, get the shots, or else.

Some students have missed as much as a month and a half of school
because they haven't gotten the required immunizations-- for
chickenpox and hepatitis B. So now the school system says it's time to
get tough and take those parents to court. Free clinics, free shots,
door-to-door visits, and countless letters. Still more than 2,300
Prince George's county students don't have their required
immunizations. This Saturday, more than 1600 students and their
parents have been ordered to appear in circuit court for the children
to be immunized.

Health workers will be on hand to give the shots immediately. The
problem is a new law that took effect last year requiring students in
the fifth through 10th grade to also have the chicken pox and
hepatitis b vaccine. Parents who don't show up or fail to comply--
could be fined up to $50 and get up to 10 days in jail. Although
getting students vaccinated by "court order" may seem unusual, the law
is on the school district's side..........http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.c...e-your-kids-or...

The county seems aptly named .

Thanks Vince

So what you have is 1) parents who care little enough about their kids
(or others' kids) to have their kids immunized, 2) parents who are too
lazy to have their kids immunized in a timely manner, or 3) parents
who believe the nonsense they read on the internet and are too stupid
to recognize truth from fantasy.

Hep B isn't benign. �Chickenpox isn't benign. �HPV isn't benign.
These, and more, diseases are vaccine-preventable.

That's all. �Let the wing-nut flame war begin...

Anti-vac liars will hate this:

Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-
Preventable Diseases in the United States
Sandra W. Roush, MT, MPH; Trudy V. Murphy, MD; and the Vaccine-
Preventable Disease Table Working Group
JAMA. 2007;298(18):2155-2163.

Context �National vaccine recommendations in the United States target
an increasing number of vaccine-preventable diseases for reduction,
elimination, or eradication.

Objective �To compare morbidity and mortality before and after
widespread implementation of national vaccine recommendations for 13
vaccine-preventable diseases for which recommendations were in place
prior to 2005.

Design, Setting, and Participants �For the United States, prevaccine
baselines were assessed based on representative historical data from
primary sources and were compared to the most recent morbidity (2006)
and mortality (2004) data for diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus,
poliomyelitis, measles, mumps, rubella (including congenital rubella
syndrome), invasive Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), acute
hepatitis B, hepatitis A, varicella, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and
smallpox.

Main Outcome Measures �Number of cases, deaths, and hospitalizations
for 13 vaccine-preventable diseases. Estimates of the percent
reductions from baseline to recent were made without adjustment for
factors that could affect vaccine-preventable disease morbidity,
mortality, or reporting.

Results �A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater
decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended
before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus.
Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has
been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated
worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most
vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis
A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths
of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively.

Conclusions �The number of cases of most vaccine-preventable diseases
is at an all-time low; hospitalizations and deaths have also shown
striking decreases.

Author Affiliations: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory
Diseases (NCIRD); Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta,
Georgia.

November 14, 2007
Sharp Drop Seen in Deaths From Ills Fought by Vaccine
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Death rates for 13 diseases that can be prevented by childhood
vaccinations are at all-time lows in the United States, according to a
study released yesterday.

The study, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in
Atlanta, and published in The Journal of the American Medical
Association, is the first time that the agency has searched historical
records going back to 1900 to compile estimates of cases,
hospitalizations and deaths for all the diseases children are
routinely vaccinated against.

In nine of the diseases, rates of death or hospitalization declined
more than 90 percent since vaccines against them were approved, and in
the cases of smallpox, diphtheria and polio, by 100 percent.

In only four diseases - hepatitis A and B, invasive pneumococcal
diseases and varicella (the cause of chickenpox and shingles) - did
deaths and hospitalizations fall less than 90 percent. Those vaccines
are all relatively new - the one for chickenpox, for example, was
adopted nationally only in 1995. Also, some diseases like hepatitis
typically strike adults, who are less likely to be immunized.

The results "are a testament to the fact that vaccines can drive
diseases down to near nil," said Dr. Gregory A. Poland, chief of the
vaccine research group at the Mayo Clinic.

And Dr. Robert W. Sears, an Orange County, Calif., pediatrician who
writes popular medicine books for parents, including a new one on
vaccines, said the study showed "one of the very positive aspects of
vaccination."

Public health officials are involved in a continuing struggle with
antivaccine activists who contend that children's shots trigger
autism, seizures or other serious side effects, and that private
pediatricians often cannot make time to answer all the questions
worried parents have, Dr. Sears said.

A spokesman for the disease control agency, Curtis Allen, said the
study was not done to counter groups that oppose vaccines, "but it
does show conclusively the value of vaccines."

It was in 1796 when Dr. Edward Jenner first vaccinated a boy against
smallpox by pricking his arms with pus taken from the sores of a
milkmaid with cowpox, a closely related but mild disease. Vaccines
against whooping cough were introduced in 1914, against diphtheria in
1928, against tetanus in 1933, and so on, up to the latest
introduction, seven years ago, of the pneumococcal vaccine.

The centers' study estimates the peak years for deaths from each
disease: more than 3,000 deaths from polio in 1952, for example, and
more than 7,500 from whooping cough in 1934.

But as fewer parents see children killed, scarred or brain-damaged by
diseases that were once common, "there's been a shift in who's not
getting vaccinated," said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of diseases at
Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and a vaccine expert.

Until the 1990s, Dr. Offit said, incomplete vaccination was most
common among poor children with no health insurance. But the Vaccines
for Children Program, created in 1994 by the Clinton administration,
helped end that. It provides vaccines free to any eligible child,
which includes 45 percent of American children, Mr. Allen said.

Now, Dr. Offit said, it is more common for children from wealthy or
middle-class families to lack some or all shots, presumably because
their parents have read about side effects or visited one of the many
antivaccine Web sites.

Most children are immunized as part of routine infant care or before
they enter day care or school, but the number of states that allow
religious or "philosophical" exemptions has increased.

Public health officials worry that those children are vulnerable to
diseases that still kill children in poor countries and occasionally
arrive from abroad.

The study showed total or near-total declines in cases of diphtheria,
measles, polio, rubella, smallpox and invasive Hib disease, a type of
pneumonia for which children are now normally vaccinated at as early
as 2 months.

In the 1930s in the United States, there were about 30,000 cases of
diphtheria annually, in which a grayish membrane clogs the airways,
killing about 10 percent of those infected. The disease virtually
never appears in the West now, but in the 1980s, when vaccination
stopped in the former Soviet Union in the chaos of its breakup, there
were 200,000 cases and 5,000 deaths, by Red Cross estimates.

In the United States, rumors of a link to autism and inflammatory
bowel disease are most commonly attached to the measles vaccine,
making it one that some parents avoid.

Refusal is much more common in Britain, and in August the national
Health Protection Agency warned that Britain was having its worst
measles outbreak in 20 years, with 480 confirmed cases and one death.- Hide quoted text -

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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The parents have the option of getting a religious exemption.

So, if the parents are not believers in some "god", they would have to lie?
Nice.

t wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:QGN_i.24363$CI1.17714@trnddc03...
The parents have the option of getting a religious exemption.

So, if the parents are not believers in some "god", they would have to lie?
Nice.

Why is god in quotes? What do you mean by "god?"

Anyway, those are their options. Another option is to home school the kids.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
news:GUW_i.24405$CI1.22108@trnddc03...
t wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:QGN_i.24363$CI1.17714@trnddc03...
The parents have the option of getting a religious exemption.

So, if the parents are not believers in some "god", they would have to
lie? Nice.

Why is god in quotes? What do you mean by "god?"

Anyway, those are their options. Another option is to home school the
kids.

So, if the parents do not want to lie and are not able to home school, what?

t wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:GUW_i.24405$CI1.22108@trnddc03...
t wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:QGN_i.24363$CI1.17714@trnddc03...
The parents have the option of getting a religious exemption.

So, if the parents are not believers in some "god", they would have to
lie? Nice.
Why is god in quotes? What do you mean by "god?"

Anyway, those are their options. Another option is to home school the
kids.

So, if the parents do not want to lie and are not able to home school, what?


They can vaccinate. If there is a philosophical exemption, then they can
take that.

Regardless of the type of exemption, a non-vaccinating freeloading
parent must expect to have their children home during outbreaks of
vaccine preventable diseases. That is the way the system works.