So then, Ken ...

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:15:00 -0800, Doan wrote:

Give it up,
Nope.

It's your choice! Just like it your choice to remain STUPID!

Empty Kane! You have conceded
I have conceded I can't prove the moon landing wasn't staged too.

But that wasn't in the debate, STUPID.

That means nothing.

It meant YOU LOST!

I conceded to only what I had actually argued, that the title did not
fit the content. Ken conceded by running, which he's still doing, that
he has not evidence for his claim about non spanking and child
sociopathy.

You conceded and YOU LOST, STUPID!

Conceded what, liar?

The debate, STUPID LIAR!


and therefore you HAVE LOST
the debate!
You are now lying again.

The proven liar here is YOU, Kane!

Nope. It's you. For years.

More lies, Kane? Your accusation tha Alina is me is proof, Kane.

Doan

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development

The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
physical discipline is used.

To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
and anxiety.

They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
measure children's aggression and anxiety.

The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
physical discipline. Specifically:

* Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
discipline their children.
* More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance.
* In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

"One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
"A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
example, if they migrate from one country to another)."

However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
(e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
"A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."

###

Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
rights reserved.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
for Research in Child Development.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm
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"0:-]" wrote in message
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I conceded to only what I had actually argued, that the title did not
fit the content. Ken conceded by running, which he's still doing, that
he has not evidence for his claim about non spanking and child
sociopathy.

How many times do I need to bitch-slap you before you realize that for all
your NOISE that I have RUN away from the BIG BADASS KANE
that I have, in fact NOT?

HUH Kane? You really love to play the role of SILVERBACK! Pounding your
chest and playing the role of the biggest baddest BADASS on Usenet!
All I hear is grunting and the sound of dragging knuckles coming from your
direction. You offered a source you claimed "PROVED" that Spanking CAUSES
aggression in children. The "STUDY" is **** Kane. I have gone over WHY
repeatedly.

But keep telling yourself that you WON and keep on grunting and pounding
your chest like a gorilla. EVERYONE is impressed with that! It's --- well
it comes across as SO "educated."

"0:-" wrote in message
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Greegor wrote:
When you "conceded" Kane, what exactly was it to?

I must have posted this a dozen times so far. If you are interested in
joining in and supporting a liar, just say so.

Your revisionism on this fascinates me.

Revisionism?

Ken is claiming I, what's called in debate, a positive assertion...meaning
it can be proven...(unlike a negative claim which is usually impossible to
prove) that I stated that spanking 'CAUSES' aggression in children.


Hey TARZAN your YELL is amusing. You DO know how Tarzan got his yell
don't you????

One day in the jungle swinging on vines to come rescue Jane he shouted out:

Jane you grab vine...


NO NO JANE YOU GRAB VINE!


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHH!


So cute you playing silverback Kane. Keep telling yourself you WON!
Keep telling yourself I am RUNNING from the great and terrible KILLER KANE!

Nobody else is going to tell you keep CRYING for Mr. Moore to SAVE YOU!!!

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:05:50 GMT, "KRP" wrote:


"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .

I conceded to only what I had actually argued, that the title did not
fit the content. Ken conceded by running, which he's still doing, that
he has not evidence for his claim about non spanking and child
sociopathy.

How many times do I need to bitch-slap you before you realize that for all
your NOISE that I have RUN away from the BIG BADASS KANE
that I have, in fact NOT?

Then you posted this evidence somewhere and I missed it?

Point us to it please. Others, no doubt, would be fascinated by your
evidence.

HUH Kane? You really love to play the role of SILVERBACK! Pounding your
chest and playing the role of the biggest baddest BADASS on Usenet!

You seem to be hung up on this gorilla thing, Ken. Projecting,
perchance?

All I hear is grunting and the sound of dragging knuckles coming from your
direction. You offered a source you claimed "PROVED" that Spanking CAUSES
aggression in children.

I did? Where did I say that, Ken?

The "STUDY" is **** Kane. I have gone over WHY
repeatedly.

Really? '****' you say? All those folks wasted their time then?

A whole raft of universities, and researchers? Hmmmmm...

I think you should complain to the people at Duke, Ken. Get the word
out...it's just shocking, isn't it? 0;]

But keep telling yourself that you WON and keep on grunting and pounding
your chest like a gorilla. EVERYONE is impressed with that! It's --- well
it comes across as SO "educated."

I see you haven't responded to the challenges.

Produce proof, verifiable by our own eyes, Ken, of my claim that
spanking "CAUSES" aggression in children as you claim I've said.

Produce the evidence you claim to know of that children that are not
spanked represent a group at higher risk of developing 'sociopathy,'
as you have asserted.

Would you like to demand I quote you again.....tiresomely...on that
one? With link?

Or are you going to do those two things?

'Sup to you.

Kane

OPPS! Almost missed it. Nice try, slippery one.

There you go...alt.dads-rights.unmoderated

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:09:22 GMT, "KRP" wrote:


"0:-" wrote in message
news:nPWdnYDcmuZ4BXbYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@scnresearch .com...
Greegor wrote:
When you "conceded" Kane, what exactly was it to?

I must have posted this a dozen times so far. If you are interested in
joining in and supporting a liar, just say so.

Your revisionism on this fascinates me.

Revisionism?

Ken is claiming I, what's called in debate, a positive assertion...meaning
it can be proven...(unlike a negative claim which is usually impossible to
prove) that I stated that spanking 'CAUSES' aggression in children.


Hey TARZAN your YELL is amusing. You DO know how Tarzan got his yell
don't you????

One day in the jungle swinging on vines to come rescue Jane he shouted out:

Jane you grab vine...


NO NO JANE YOU GRAB VINE!


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Yeah, like that's distracting. I seem to remember that from 5th grade.

So cute you playing silverback Kane. Keep telling yourself you WON!

OOooookay, Ken.

Kane, you have won and are still winning. Aren't you embarrassed,
Kane.

That make yah feel better, Ken?

Keep telling yourself I am RUNNING from the great and terrible KILLER KANE!

Ah, then before this post is over you will have provided the proof
that I claim that spanking "CAUSES" aggression in children, and you
will have produced the evidence you say you have on sociopathy and
non-spanked children.

Oh...goodie. I can hardly wait...giggle

Nobody else is going to tell you keep CRYING for Mr. Moore to SAVE YOU!!!

Moore? But I don't need no Mr. Moore, Ken. And that's the fack jack.

Okay, where is that proof you aren't running, Ken?

The "CAUSES" and "sociopathy" proof?

0:]

"KRP" wrote in message
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"0:-" wrote in message
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So, why not debate this with me. Who knows, there may be something
somewhere that actually says that, and if there is you must know about
it you wouldn't have made that claim, right?


I only debate HONEST people Kane. You are simply full of ****. You
THINK you won. It's pointless debating somebody like you because reality
does through a warp field. Your SOURCE negated your claims and its own.

Hmmm, interesting that you say you only debate honest people kenny, since
you are so blatantly dishonest. So, by your rules you cannot under any
circumstances debate yourself, since by doing so you would be debating a
liar. A logarithmic spiral if I ever saw one.

Ron

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:


"KRP" wrote in message
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"0:-" wrote in message
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So, why not debate this with me. Who knows, there may be something
somewhere that actually says that, and if there is you must know about
it you wouldn't have made that claim, right?


I only debate HONEST people Kane. You are simply full of ****. You
THINK you won. It's pointless debating somebody like you because reality
does through a warp field. Your SOURCE negated your claims and its own.

Hmmm, interesting that you say you only debate honest people kenny, since
you are so blatantly dishonest. So, by your rules you cannot under any
circumstances debate yourself, since by doing so you would be debating a
liar. A logarithmic spiral if I ever saw one.

Ron

There are many PROVEN dishonest people on this newsgroup, Ron. All you
have to do is take your blinders off. ;-)

Doan

"0:-]" wrote in message
...
sociopathy.

How many times do I need to bitch-slap you before you realize that for all
your NOISE that I have RUN away from the BIG BADASS KANE
that I have, in fact NOT?

Then you posted this evidence somewhere and I missed it?


Is David coming to help you Kane? PLEAD for him a little louder! BEG...
Promise to be his "bitch" and maybe he'll rescue you.
Thanks for admitting you can't handle me on your own and that you need
Moore's backup. Keep adding the dads group back in as
an admission you need him. snicker What a pussy for a silverback wannabe!

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:53:48 GMT, "KRP" wrote:


"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
sociopathy.

How many times do I need to bitch-slap you before you realize that for all
your NOISE that I have RUN away from the BIG BADASS KANE
that I have, in fact NOT?

Then you posted this evidence somewhere and I missed it?

You are going to answer me, right? It's in the next sentence, right?
That evidence about sociopathy and un spanked children?

And a quote of my statement where I say, spanking "CAUSES" aggression
in children, right?

Oh goody goody.


Is David coming to help you Kane?

Awwww....you disappoint me. And I was so sure you'd honest-up on me.


PLEAD for him a little louder! BEG...

Naw, I absolutely forbid him from helping me get you to confess you
lied about what I said, and that you lied about the "sociopathy" and
un spanked children.

I can handle that all by myself.

Now if he wishes to post a little thought of his own about your
ethics, well, there you go, Ken. Your bed. You made it. Have a little
nappy.

Promise to be his "bitch" and maybe he'll rescue you.

Rescue me from what? The endlessly boring chores of proving repeatedly
that you refuse to debate honestly? That you make a claim that is a
lie, referring a claim that I said something I didn't say?

More boring requests of you to produce to support your positive
assertion, one that looks very much like you are saying 'cause' to me,
about sociopathy and children. Feel free to quote your statement
yourself this time, and explain how cannot be seen as a claim that non
spanking causes sociopathy.

Or convince me that you did not use a term that means cause.

Thanks for admitting you can't handle me on your own and that you need
Moore's backup.

You've got me down in black and white somewhere admitting that, have
you?

I won't bore everyone with asking you to produce, but will remind you
that we have, at this time, but two questions left unanswered by you,
where is my personal 'cause' statement, and your proof of evidence
existing about sociopathy and non spanked children.

(We might move on to debating the source material if you can produce,
and if you cannot, then the International Study. Have you an envelope
that is as big as you can find? Doan seems to need one to give a copy
to someone upon request.)

Keep adding the dads group back in as
an admission you need him. snicker What a pussy for a silverback wannabe!

I'll keep adding the group back in but invite Moore to stay out of our
"debate."

Well, at least I'm offering to debate.

That's not a Snickers. You dropped that down your pants leg. Don't eat
it. Save it for Doan't.

Yah know, I think I'll just add another of your former wallows, Ken.

You are something. You need to be headlined, and spot lighted. And
given the best PR I can provide you.

Let me see know, where would Ken most like to show off what a terrible
whuppin' he's givin' me......hmmmmmmmm?

Let me think now....mmmmmm mmmm mmmm mmmmmm mmm mm m mmm mmmm mm mmmmm
to the tune of "I'd like to get you on a slow boat to China

Ah, yes, there it is.

alt.dads-rights.unmoderated AND soc.men

You go right ahead and show off your debating and flaming prowess,
Ken. You are, after all, ... a whizz.

0;

(Still don't remember me from Fidonet, do you dummy? Check the scars
on your stupid fat piggy ass.)