UNICEF: Girls still denied education

"Hyerdahl" wrote in message
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Beverly wrote:

(edit to the point)

Let's look at this realistically. Women, on average, have more of an
opportunity to attend college than men. Let's see what becoming a
parent does to the opportunity.

Not really. Historically, men sent their sons to school before their
daughters, and if there is only enough money to send one, sons tended
to be sent before daughters.
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Historically, there was slavery.
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Before becoming a parent, both men and women have equal opportunity to
attend college. After becoming a parent, women have much more
opportunity than a man does to attend college.

Not at all. First, it takes money to go to college, and women who have
no dominion and control over their work product don't generally have
money to go. Also, even female parents today tend to work outside the
home, so those women who do work outside the home have double duty.
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I was a single mother of two preteen boys and went to school fulltime and
worked parttime.
No child support received. Graduated with honors (political science) and one
heck
of a student loan debt.
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Woman: Can work part-time, collect child support, get some government
aid (food stamps, medical, low income housing), and get full grants to
attend college because her income qualifies.

So could men. You make it sound like men don't have any of those
options as well.
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They don't.
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She can also get daycare aid.

So can a primary caregiving man.
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Which is fewer than 10% of single parents.
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Since many daycares charge by the day, rather than the hour, her
daycare aid allows her time in which to attend classes with no
additional daycare cost burden.

How is this any different for a male caregiver?
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Male single parents are very very few. The vast majority of men cannot go to
school
because they are working at least one job, often two, to foot the bills of
the
custodial parent. The more he works, the more he pays. The more she loafs
the more he pays.
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Man: Must work full time (at least), pay child support, support
himself completely, and may be ineligible for grants because his
income (especially if working an extra job to make ends meet) doesn't
qualify. Daycare is also figured into what he must provide in child
support. His hours are long and colleges simply don't hold 24 hour
classes.

Again, you seem to be critical of women for taking on the primary care
of children; if this is so good, why not recommend it to men? :-)
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Actually, child custody should be dafault 50/50 with each parent covering
the
child's expenses directly.
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For what it is worth, my younger brother had to drop out of college
once his son was born. He simply couldn't afford to pay welfare what
they wanted (yes, the mother went on welfare) and survive on what was
left from one job.

Well, when you have a child, you become a parent, obligated to support
that child.
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Correction. Under law, the father is obligated to support the custodial
parent (under the guise
of supporting the child). She, on the other hand, is not required to support
anyone. No one tracks
her sepdning of the "child" support. All she need
do is toss the kid a sandwich three times a day.
So, why do women have children they cannot afford to
support or have no desire to support?
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"Hyerdahl" wrote in message
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Beverly wrote:

(edit to the point)

Let's look at this realistically. Women, on average, have more of an
opportunity to attend college than men. Let's see what becoming a
parent does to the opportunity.

Not really. Historically, men sent their sons to school before their
daughters, and if there is only enough money to send one, sons tended
to be sent before daughters.
====
Historically, there was slavery.

Probable response:
Today, "African-Americans" are badly oppressed and they need REPARATIONS!

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Before becoming a parent, both men and women have equal opportunity to
attend college. After becoming a parent, women have much more
opportunity than a man does to attend college.

Not at all. First, it takes money to go to college, and women who have
no dominion and control over their work product don't generally have
money to go. Also, even female parents today tend to work outside the
home, so those women who do work outside the home have double duty.
====
I was a single mother of two preteen boys and went to school fulltime and
worked parttime.
No child support received. Graduated with honors (political science) and
one
heck
of a student loan debt.
====

Woman: Can work part-time, collect child support, get some government
aid (food stamps, medical, low income housing), and get full grants to
attend college because her income qualifies.

So could men. You make it sound like men don't have any of those
options as well.
====
They don't.
====

She can also get daycare aid.

So can a primary caregiving man.
====
Which is fewer than 10% of single parents.
====

Since many daycares charge by the day, rather than the hour, her
daycare aid allows her time in which to attend classes with no
additional daycare cost burden.

How is this any different for a male caregiver?
====
Male single parents are very very few. The vast majority of men cannot go
to
school
because they are working at least one job, often two, to foot the bills of
the
custodial parent. The more he works, the more he pays. The more she loafs
the more he pays.
===

Man: Must work full time (at least), pay child support, support
himself completely, and may be ineligible for grants because his
income (especially if working an extra job to make ends meet) doesn't
qualify. Daycare is also figured into what he must provide in child
support. His hours are long and colleges simply don't hold 24 hour
classes.

Again, you seem to be critical of women for taking on the primary care
of children; if this is so good, why not recommend it to men? :-)
====
Actually, child custody should be dafault 50/50 with each parent covering
the
child's expenses directly.
====


For what it is worth, my younger brother had to drop out of college
once his son was born. He simply couldn't afford to pay welfare what
they wanted (yes, the mother went on welfare) and survive on what was
left from one job.

Well, when you have a child, you become a parent, obligated to support
that child.
===
Correction. Under law, the father is obligated to support the custodial
parent (under the guise
of supporting the child). She, on the other hand, is not required to
support
anyone. No one tracks
her sepdning of the "child" support. All she need
do is toss the kid a sandwich three times a day.
So, why do women have children they cannot afford to
support or have no desire to support?
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