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Old April 5th 08, 10:19 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Greegor
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead

Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community
But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at
When the indictments came down he
killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas
and torched himself in a burning car wreck.

News media had "human interest story"
footage from before it all hit the fan.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309

Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered
Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle
Highway Crash
By DAVID SCHOETZ
March 24, 2008 --

Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal
embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their
home today in Iowa City, Iowa.

The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police
think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash
on a nearby highway.

The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers
went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911
call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone.

The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the
five bodies were found.

"Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the
release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the
occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female
resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the
victims died.

A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed
to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help
processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this
morning.

Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in
southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as
was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan.

The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash
along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this
afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery
crash," according to police.

The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be
identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for
Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel
family members found dead inside the house.

The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which
as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to
be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved
in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed
whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members.


Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in
touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the
deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said.

Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement
and money laundering charges, Spies said.

Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by
U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12.

"The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing
to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at
Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and
subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen
funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office
Web site.

Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span.

Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired
throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were
wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you
can imagine," he said.

Copyright (c) 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
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Old April 6th 08, 11:02 PM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Marley Greiner
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead

Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good friend
Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of links
to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask?
http://www.babylovechild.org/

Marley


"Greegor" wrote in message
...
Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community
But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at
When the indictments came down he
killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas
and torched himself in a burning car wreck.

News media had "human interest story"
footage from before it all hit the fan.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309

Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered
Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle
Highway Crash
By DAVID SCHOETZ
March 24, 2008 --

Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal
embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their
home today in Iowa City, Iowa.

The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police
think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash
on a nearby highway.

The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers
went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911
call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone.

The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the
five bodies were found.

"Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the
release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the
occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female
resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the
victims died.

A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed
to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help
processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this
morning.

Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in
southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as
was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan.

The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash
along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this
afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery
crash," according to police.

The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be
identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for
Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel
family members found dead inside the house.

The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which
as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to
be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved
in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed
whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members.


Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in
touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the
deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said.

Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement
and money laundering charges, Spies said.

Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by
U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12.

"The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing
to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at
Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and
subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen
funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office
Web site.

Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span.

Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired
throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were
wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you
can imagine," he said.

Copyright (c) 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures



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Old April 7th 08, 04:35 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Greegor
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead

Marley wrote
Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good friend
Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of links
to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask?


http://www.babylovechild.org/

Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is
legally obligated by Korean law to encourage
adoptive families to respect the children's
existing religious customs, but in reality they
require adoptive families to be very Christian
and even push them to push that on the kids.

The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
said they could have all been siblings, that
revealed them to be liars.

The mystery about where all of the money went
is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded?

In early news footage flames were not just coming out
of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out.
At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station.
A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make
massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck.
(It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.)

I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself.
Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE
the van, not from the gas can below the floor.

People who fight Child Protective Services
commonly find such violations. CPS actively
supports major changes of religion,
political views, etc. The CPS nitwits actively
set this up as various kinds of "social engineering"
even though the foster incarceration is supposed
to be temporary. It's almost as bad as when
they've had kids photos on the state "adopt this kid"
web site when the parents rights have not been
terminated.

"Greegor" wrote in message
Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community
But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at
When the indictments came down he
killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas
and torched himself in a burning car wreck.


News media had "human interest story"
footage from before it all hit the fan.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309

Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered
Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle
Highway Crash
By DAVID SCHOETZ
March 24, 2008 --


Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal
embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their
home today in Iowa City, Iowa.


The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police
think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash
on a nearby highway.


The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers
went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911
call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone.


The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the
five bodies were found.


"Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the
release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the
occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female
resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the
victims died.


A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed
to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help
processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this
morning.


Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in
southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as
was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan.


The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash
along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this
afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery
crash," according to police.


The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be
identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for
Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel
family members found dead inside the house.


The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which
as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to
be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved
in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed
whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members.


Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in
touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the
deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said.


Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement
and money laundering charges, Spies said.


Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by
U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12.


"The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing
to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at
Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and
subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen
funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office
Web site.


Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span.


Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired
throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were
wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you
can imagine," he said.

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Old April 7th 08, 05:06 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
dragonsgirl
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead


"Greegor" wrote in message
...
Marley wrote
Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good
friend
Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of
links
to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask?


http://www.babylovechild.org/

Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is
legally obligated by Korean law to encourage
adoptive families to respect the children's
existing religious customs, but in reality they
require adoptive families to be very Christian
and even push them to push that on the kids.


There is a problem with respecting existing religious customs when you are
dealing with children who are too young to have developed religious customs.
It appears that this may be the case with these children.
If a child is very young, 'upholding' would only apply to the religious
preferences of the family, not the children.
I would be more concerned about how the children came to be adoptable.



The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
said they could have all been siblings, that
revealed them to be liars.


Possibly a mistake in records?


The mystery about where all of the money went
is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded?


In all liklihood no one would ever know what, exactly, happened to the
money.
Yes, that's a large sum of cash, but over so may years time it coudl have
easily been spent on vacations, etc a little at a time.
It's not as if he stole the money all in one large chunk.


In early news footage flames were not just coming out
of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out.
At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station.
A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make
massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck.
(It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.)

I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself.
Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE
the van, not from the gas can below the floor.

People who fight Child Protective Services
commonly find such violations. CPS actively
supports major changes of religion,
political views, etc.


The mandate is to support the religion of the family.
That, in no way, applies to AFTER adoption.
It would make little sense to force adoptive parents to raise a child
(especially a very young one) within a religion that is in direct conflict
of their own. Satanists vs Christians when a child is not old enough to
have a religious preference of their own, it makes little difference.

The CPS nitwits actively
set this up as various kinds of "social engineering"
even though the foster incarceration is supposed
to be temporary.


Can you provide links? I would like to see cases where temporary foster
care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'.

It's almost as bad as when
they've had kids photos on the state "adopt this kid"
web site when the parents rights have not been
terminated.


I have looked at my own state's web site many times and never saw a child
who was not free for adoption unless there were extenuatig circumstances in
which termination was inevitable, such as when a parent is in carcerated
long term.
I personally do not agree with adoptions outside an individual's own family,
however, I do respect those who can adopt unrelated children and raise them
as their own.
One aspect of adoption that I absolutely do NOT agree with is secrecy.
I believe that each adopted child has the right to know that they are
adopted from as young as they are able to comprehend the idea, and that they
have a right to the information regarding who their parents are, how they
came to be adopted, etc.
It's unfortunate that this adoption turned out as it did...not all adoptive
parents are mentally ill and uacceptable as adopters.



"Greegor" wrote in message
Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community
But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at
When the indictments came down he
killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas
and torched himself in a burning car wreck.


News media had "human interest story"
footage from before it all hit the fan.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309

Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered
Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle
Highway Crash
By DAVID SCHOETZ
March 24, 2008 --


Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal
embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their
home today in Iowa City, Iowa.


The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police
think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash
on a nearby highway.


The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers
went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911
call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone.


The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the
five bodies were found.


"Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the
release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the
occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female
resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the
victims died.


A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed
to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help
processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this
morning.


Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in
southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as
was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan.


The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash
along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this
afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery
crash," according to police.


The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be
identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for
Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel
family members found dead inside the house.


The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which
as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to
be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved
in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed
whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members.


Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in
touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the
deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said.


Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement
and money laundering charges, Spies said.


Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by
U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12.


"The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing
to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at
Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and
subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen
funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office
Web site.


Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span.


Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired
throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were
wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you
can imagine," he said.



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Old April 7th 08, 06:26 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Greegor
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead

Marley Some very strange things are popping
Marley up in the Sueppel case. My good friend
Marley Baby Love Child has a new blog on the
Marley case with commentary and lots of links
Marley to news articles. *Wha's with Holt? *Dare I ask?

http://www.babylovechild.org/

G Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is
G legally obligated by Korean law to encourage
G adoptive families to respect the children's
G existing religious customs, but in reality they
G require adoptive families to be very Christian
G and even push them to push that on the kids.

BW There is a problem with respecting existing
BW religious customs when you are dealing
BW with children who are too young to have
BW developed religious customs. It appears
BW that this may be the case with these children.
BW If a child is very young, 'upholding' would
BW only apply to the religious preferences of
BW the family, not the children.

Betty, Holt has an ongoing pattern and practice of
encouraging Christianity, even requiring it.
That is true regardless of the child's age.
It was described in the articles.

BW I would be more concerned about
BW how the children came to be adoptable.

Of course.

G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
G said they could have all been siblings, that
G revealed them to be liars.

BW Possibly a mistake in records?

Why two different stories then?
Aren't "doctored records" extremely common
when it comes to adoption for profit outfits?

G The mystery about where all of the money went
G is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded?

BW In all liklihood no one would ever know what,
BW exactly, happened to the money.
BW Yes, that's a large sum of cash, but over
BW so may years time it [could] have easily
BW been spent on vacations, etc a little at a time.
BW It's not as if he stole the money all in one large chunk.

I think of money as much more traceable than you do.

G In early news footage flames were not just coming out
G of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out.
G At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station.
G A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make
G massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck.
G (It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.)
G
G I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself.
G Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE
G the van, not from the gas can below the floor.
G
G People who fight Child Protective Services
G commonly find such violations. *CPS actively
G supports major changes of religion,
G political views, etc.

BW The mandate is to support the religion of the family.
BW That, in no way, applies to AFTER adoption.
BW It would make little sense to force adoptive parents to raise a
child
BW (especially a very young one) within a religion that is in direct
conflict
BW of their own. *Satanists vs Christians when a child is not old
enough to
BW have a religious preference of their own, it makes little
difference.

Sounds reasonable, except that the process
starts long before there has been any Termination
of Parental Rights, often in direct violation of
stated policies and legislation.

Comparing that back to the Holt policy, there
is a duplicity (Lie) going on because Korea
requires religion to be maintained, and Holt
actually requires prospect parents to be
Christian and strongly urges religious conversion.
Somebody's telling lies somewhere!

G The CPS nitwits actively set this up as
G various kinds of "social engineering" even
G though the foster incarceration is
G supposed to be temporary.

BW Can you provide links?

I would not out a real family from a "support group".
Ask Dan or Roberta, they groove on doing that.

In one specific case, the Father was a Baptist Minister
and vocally against gays. The kids were placed
in a gay foster placement. A Missouri legislator
got involved and the kids were quickly moved.

BW *I would like to see cases where temporary foster
BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social
engineering'.

Actually, Betty, that term came from literature
inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry
I believe.

You must be in denial then about the report on
Womens Studies textbooks a few years back
where the feminist auditors reported heavy
anti-male commentary like referring to a
Father as an outside or foreign element.

Apparently it was an opportunity for the
more mainstream moderate feminists to
put the extremists in check through PR.

G It's almost as bad as when they've had kids
G photos on the state "adopt this kid" web site
G when the parents rights have not been
G terminated.

BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.

How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated?
The adoption web sites never describe the
circumstances of removal.

Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got
so severely criticized for it and so widely that
I bet that does not happen very much.

On the other hand I have recently been in contact with
some professionals who are even more certain
because they have seen it time and time again that
CPS workers and agencies violate policy severely
and often. Some violations are routine and standard.

BW I personally do not agree with adoptions outside
BW an individual's own family, however, I do respect
BW those who can adopt unrelated children and
BW raise them as their own. One aspect of
BW adoption that I absolutely do NOT agree with
BW is secrecy. I believe that each adopted child
BW has the right to know that they are adopted
BW from as young as they are able to comprehend
BW the idea, and that they have a right to the
BW information regarding who their parents are,
BW how they came to be adopted, etc. It's
BW unfortunate that this adoption turned out
BW as it did...not all adoptive parents are
BW mentally ill and uacceptable as adopters.

Are you saying that Steve Sueppel, working as a Bank VP
would not have passed any manner of psychological testing?

Banks and Insurance companies are heavily into
phychological testing, by the way.

Even if the adoption for profit outfits are not.

Betty, I bet you covered your eyes when the
Guatamalan adoption rackets hit the fan
awhile back.


"Greegor" wrote in message
Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community
But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at
When the indictments came down he
killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas
and torched himself in a burning car wreck.


News media had "human interest story"
footage from before it all hit the fan.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309

Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered
Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle
Highway Crash
By DAVID SCHOETZ
March 24, 2008 --


Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal
embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their
home today in Iowa City, Iowa.


The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police
think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash
on a nearby highway.


The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers
went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911
call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone.


The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the
five bodies were found.


"Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the
release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the
occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female
resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the
victims died.


A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed
to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help
processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this
morning.


Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in
southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as
was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan.


The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash
along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this
afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery
crash," according to police.


The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be
identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for
Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel
family members found dead inside the house.


The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which
as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to
be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved
in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed
whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members.


Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in
touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the
deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said.


Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement
and money laundering charges, Spies said.


Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by
U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12.


"The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing
to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at
Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and
subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen
funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office
Web site.


Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span.


Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired
throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were
wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you
can imagine," he said.

  #6  
Old April 7th 08, 07:33 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Marley Greiner
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"Greegor" wrote in message
...

G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
G said they could have all been siblings, that
G revealed them to be liars.

BW Possibly a mistake in records?

Why two different stories then?
Aren't "doctored records" extremely common
when it comes to adoption for profit outfits?

Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption
records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them
sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc.

big cut


BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster
BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social
engineering'.

Actually, Betty, that term came from literature
inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry
I believe.\\

Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social
reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a given
and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women,
Problem Girls is an excellent resource.

big cut


BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.

How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated?
The adoption web sites never describe the
circumstances of removal.

Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got
so severely criticized for it and so widely that
I bet that does not happen very much.

When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference last
year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from
incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be
going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!)
Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to
preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no
maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and the
kid is put into the adoption mill.

Marley





  #7  
Old April 7th 08, 09:51 AM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Greegor
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Default Sueppel Adoption Massacre 6 dead

MG Holt is nonprofit,

Which is really a taxation status.

Management in non-profit companies
generally siphon off funds to maintain
that status. Too many people mistake
that tax status for humanitarian ideals
or "charity" and ignore the huge
salaries in upper management. It's a racket.

BW I would like to see cases where temporary
BW foster care has included forced relgion of
BW any kind, and 'social engineering'.

G Actually, Betty, that term came from
G literature inside of the Social Work/
G Child Protection industry I believe.

MG Adoption as we know it today*grew
MG out of Progressive *era ideas of social
MG reform. *It is very much linked to
MG eugenics. *Social engineering is a given
MG and much has been written about it.
MG Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women,
MG Problem Girls is an excellent resource.

BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.

G How would YOU know the parents were
G incarcerated? The adoption web sites
G never describe the circumstances of removal.
G
G Betty, This HAS taken place, but the
G agencies got so severely criticized for
G it and so widely that I bet that does
G not happen very much.

MG When I attended the National Council
MG for Adoption (I know!) conference last year,
MG Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about
MG picking up baybees from incarcerated
MG women, especially Hispanic women in
MG county jails who would be going up the
MG river. (So much for their Grade A designer
MG white baybees!) Current welfare practice
MG makes it very difficult for women in jail to
MG preserve their families. *If the parents
MG aren't married, and there is no maternal
MG family support, the father most likely will
MG not get custody and the kid is put into
MG the adoption mill.

I can hardly wait to see Betty's comments on that! LOL

Steve Sueppel's apparently bogus assertion of
a Cocaine habit was a cover for something.

I've got to wonder if some of the 590 K
Went to somebody connected with Holt, Inc.
directly or indirectly?
  #8  
Old April 7th 08, 01:27 PM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
dragonsgirl
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"Marley Greiner" wrote in message
...

"Greegor" wrote in message
...

G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
G said they could have all been siblings, that
G revealed them to be liars.

BW Possibly a mistake in records?

Why two different stories then?
Aren't "doctored records" extremely common
when it comes to adoption for profit outfits?

Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption
records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them
sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc.


Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what is
not in adoption records.
I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things
that were completely false...though their records were social service
records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through
states.
I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is old
enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all.



big cut


BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster
BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social
engineering'.

Actually, Betty, that term came from literature
inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry
I believe.\\

Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social
reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a
given
and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women,
Problem Girls is an excellent resource.

big cut


BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.

How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated?
The adoption web sites never describe the
circumstances of removal.

Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got
so severely criticized for it and so widely that
I bet that does not happen very much.


My children often attended school with children in group homes and i foster
care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. Father unknowns and
incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month deadline
and no progress in their cases.
My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a removal
occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or
termination process begins. I think that this was the only bad statute in
the DJMFCA.



When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference
last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from
incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be
going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!)
Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to
preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no
maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and
the kid is put into the adoption mill.


It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a
child.
I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in
foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no legal
father). Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a
DNA sample. I they refuse then the courts issue an order.
Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA
testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and get
custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months
from the date the child is placed in care.
This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in
which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family
seems to be the 'magic time frame'.
Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do because
when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be
able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state
care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. It's not a
simple matter of 'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending parent,
so give me my child'. And really...it should be. Fathers are simply added
to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive
or neglectful and their actions led to the placement.
It's really quite unfair.

There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social services
in adoption. In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my
grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case
that I know of first hand. He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for
the child. We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. The
state did not want to place him with this family. Various reasons...all
pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other
reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my
grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was
NOT the father. The catch? DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to
get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that
amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster
placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. I solved that
problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime and
had the results back in one week. The adoption fell through, and three
years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he was
proven NOT to be the father of the child.
When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and asked
her if they had received same notice. She said no. I advised her to get an
attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going
to be terminated by the state. She didn't find that distressing at all
until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one
legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could
cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the current
adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. I
explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what would
happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and
that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on the
registry for termination of rights.
Now why? Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he was
not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his non
existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying
so?

Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from his
care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been
completely WRONG. The series of events should have never played out this
way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with
adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption
through the state.

Marley







  #9  
Old April 7th 08, 07:43 PM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
Greegor
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On Apr 7, 7:27*am, "dragonsgirl" wrote:
"Marley Greiner" wrote in message

...







"Greegor" wrote in message
...


G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
G said they could have all been siblings, that
G revealed them to be liars.


BW Possibly a mistake in records?


Why two different stories then?
Aren't "doctored records" extremely common
when it comes to adoption for profit outfits?


Holt is nonprofit, but yes. *You can never tell what's "true" in adoption
records. *That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them
sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc.


Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what is
not in adoption records.
I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things
that were completely false...though their records were social service
records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through
states.
I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is old
enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all.







big cut


BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster
BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social
engineering'.


Actually, Betty, that term came from literature
inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry
I believe.\\


Adoption as we know it today *grew out of Progressive *era ideas of social
reform. *It is very much linked to eugenics. *Social engineering is a
given
and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women,
Problem Girls is an excellent resource.


big cut


BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.


How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated?
The adoption web sites never describe the
circumstances of removal.


Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got
so severely criticized for it and so widely that
I bet that does not happen very much.


My children often attended school with children in group homes and i foster
care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. *Father unknowns and
incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month deadline
and no progress in their cases.
My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a removal
occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or
termination process begins. *I think that this was the only bad statute in
the DJMFCA.



When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference
last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from
incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be
going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!)
Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to
preserve their families. *If the parents aren't married, and there is no
maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and
the kid is put into the adoption mill.


It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a
child.
I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in
foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no legal
father). *Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a
DNA sample. *I they refuse then the courts issue an order.
Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA
testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and get
custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months
from the date the child is placed in care.
This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in
which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family
seems to be the 'magic time frame'.
Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do because
when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be
able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state
care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. *It's not a
simple matter of *'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending parent,
so give me my child'. *And really...it should be. *Fathers are simply added
to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive
or neglectful and their actions led to the placement.
It's really quite unfair.

There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social services
in adoption. * *In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my
grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case
that I know of first hand. *He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for
the child. *We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. *The
state did not want to place him with this family. *Various reasons...all
pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other
reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my
grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was
NOT the father. *The catch? *DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to
get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that
amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster
placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. * I solved that
problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime and
had the results back in one week. *The adoption fell through, and three
years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he was
proven NOT to be the father of the child.
When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and asked
her if they had received same notice. *She said no. *I advised her to get an
attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going
to be terminated by the state. *She didn't find that distressing at all
until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one
legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could
cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the current
adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. *I
explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what would
happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and
that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on the
registry for termination of rights.
Now why? *Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he was
not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his non
existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying
so?

Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from his
care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been
completely WRONG. *The series of events should have never played out this
way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with
adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption
through the state.


Betty flipped from "the state can do no wrong" mode to
"CPS is all screwed up" mode again.

She learned that from Dan Sullivan.

Cedar Rapids and Iowa City had 8 teenagers
ranging from 14 to 17 who apparently all ran
away at the same time.

The missing persons site has no pictures.
Since they're runaways they don't qualify for Amber Alert.
It's getting bare minimum news coverage.
  #10  
Old April 7th 08, 07:51 PM posted to alt.adoption,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,misc.legal
dragonsgirl
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"Greegor" wrote in message
...
On Apr 7, 7:27 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote:
"Marley Greiner" wrote in message

...







"Greegor" wrote in message
...


G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4
G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea
G said they could have all been siblings, that
G revealed them to be liars.


BW Possibly a mistake in records?


Why two different stories then?
Aren't "doctored records" extremely common
when it comes to adoption for profit outfits?


Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption
records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them
sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc.


Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what
is
not in adoption records.
I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things
that were completely false...though their records were social service
records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through
states.
I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is
old
enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all.







big cut


BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster
BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social
engineering'.


Actually, Betty, that term came from literature
inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry
I believe.\\


Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social
reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a
given
and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women,
Problem Girls is an excellent resource.


big cut


BW I have looked at my own state's web site many
BW times and never saw a child who was not free
BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig
BW circumstances in which termination was
BW inevitable, such as when a parent is
BW in carcerated long term.


How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated?
The adoption web sites never describe the
circumstances of removal.


Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got
so severely criticized for it and so widely that
I bet that does not happen very much.


My children often attended school with children in group homes and i
foster
care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. Father unknowns and
incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month
deadline
and no progress in their cases.
My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a
removal
occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or
termination process begins. I think that this was the only bad statute in
the DJMFCA.



When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference
last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from
incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would
be
going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!)
Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to
preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no
maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and
the kid is put into the adoption mill.


It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a
child.
I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in
foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no
legal
father). Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a
DNA sample. I they refuse then the courts issue an order.
Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA
testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and
get
custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months
from the date the child is placed in care.
This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in
which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family
seems to be the 'magic time frame'.
Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do
because
when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be
able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state
care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. It's not a
simple matter of 'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending
parent,
so give me my child'. And really...it should be. Fathers are simply added
to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive
or neglectful and their actions led to the placement.
It's really quite unfair.

There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social
services
in adoption. In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my
grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case
that I know of first hand. He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for
the child. We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. The
state did not want to place him with this family. Various reasons...all
pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other
reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my
grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was
NOT the father. The catch? DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to
get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that
amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster
placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. I solved that
problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime
and
had the results back in one week. The adoption fell through, and three
years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he
was
proven NOT to be the father of the child.
When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and
asked
her if they had received same notice. She said no. I advised her to get an
attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going
to be terminated by the state. She didn't find that distressing at all
until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one
legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could
cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the
current
adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. I
explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what
would
happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and
that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on
the
registry for termination of rights.
Now why? Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he
was
not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his
non
existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying
so?

Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from
his
care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been
completely WRONG. The series of events should have never played out this
way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with
adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption
through the state.


Betty flipped from "the state can do no wrong" mode to
"CPS is all screwed up" mode again.

***Greg, I'm really sorry that I can keep my opinions HONEST and not let my
own feelings stand in the way of citing truth and you cannot.
Modes isn't what I have 'flipped'. If you get my drift.


She learned that from Dan Sullivan.

Cedar Rapids and Iowa City had 8 teenagers
ranging from 14 to 17 who apparently all ran
away at the same time.

The missing persons site has no pictures.
Since they're runaways they don't qualify for Amber Alert.
It's getting bare minimum news coverage.


 




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