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when is reading taught ( Help with a camp activity)
"Kevin Karplus" wrote in message ... In article , Bev Brandt wrote: Luna wrote in message .. . I do think it's sad if that's no longer the case. I'm sorely tempted to turn this into a private versus public school thread, but I won't...I don't think...I've already deleted 3 responses that did exactly that, so we'll see about this one. You really don't think that reading is not taught in kindergarten at public schools, do you? Good news. It is. That depends on where you live. In Seattle, they push reading really hard in kindergarten---the school my sone went to for 2 months did almost nothing else. In Santa Cruz, reading is taught in first grade, and kindergarten only covers letters, letter sounds, and the kids' own names. (Caveat: the Santa Cruz kindergarten was a bilingual one, and so may have been paced differently from monolingual ones.) With the big "read by grade 3" push, there is a really strong emphasis on reading in kindergarten and 1st grade, which has many kindergarten teachers upset on the teacher groups I frequent. It also seems to be assumed, more and more, by the curriculum writers at textbook companies that kindergarteners come in already knowing letters, sounds, names of objects, etc-which frustrates the teachers at my school, because our students don't come in with these skills, which USED to be taught in kindergarten. -- Kevin Karplus http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus life member (LAB, Adventure Cycling, American Youth Hostels) Effective Cycling Instructor #218-ck (lapsed) Professor of Biomolecular Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz Undergraduate and Graduate Director, Bioinformatics Affiliations for identification only. |
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when is reading taught ( Help with a camp activity)
Donna Metler wrote:
With the big "read by grade 3" push, there is a really strong emphasis on reading in kindergarten and 1st grade, which has many kindergarten teachers upset on the teacher groups I frequent. It also seems to be assumed, more and more, by the curriculum writers at textbook companies that kindergarteners come in already knowing letters, sounds, names of objects, etc-which frustrates the teachers at my school, because our students don't come in with these skills, which USED to be taught in kindergarten. I have a 5th grader and a 2nd grader (for another week, anyway :-( ), and I saw a difference in the K expectations between the two of them. With the oldest, I don't think that children were required to be reading to leave K. With the youngest, they did have to be reading on a basic level. I'm sure it has to to with making sure everyone is a strong reader for the standardized do-or-die tests in 3rd grade. Lesley |
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when is reading taught ( Help with a camp activity)
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Donna Metler wrote: "Kevin Karplus" wrote in message . .. In article , Bev Brandt wrote: Luna wrote in message .. . I do think it's sad if that's no longer the case. I'm sorely tempted to turn this into a private versus public school thread, but I won't...I don't think...I've already deleted 3 responses that did exactly that, so we'll see about this one. You really don't think that reading is not taught in kindergarten at public schools, do you? Good news. It is. That depends on where you live. In Seattle, they push reading really hard in kindergarten---the school my sone went to for 2 months did almost nothing else. In Santa Cruz, reading is taught in first grade, and kindergarten only covers letters, letter sounds, and the kids' own names. (Caveat: the Santa Cruz kindergarten was a bilingual one, and so may have been paced differently from monolingual ones.) This sounds about the same as the monolingual schools around here. It seems perfectly appropriate to me. Some kids are ready to learn earlier, and the kindergarten teachers are happy to support those kids, but they don't "push" reading in K. If the OP works with kids who speak and read 4 lanugages by age 5, I'd submit that those kids were far from "average kids" to begin with. With the big "read by grade 3" push, there is a really strong emphasis on reading in kindergarten and 1st grade, which has many kindergarten teachers upset on the teacher groups I frequent. Is there any evidence that kids pushed in K learn to read any earlier or better than kids not so pushed? In my limited experience, kids "get" reading when they're ready, and pushing it earlier doesn't tend to make them ready earlier. Of course, for those ready early, in whom that readiness might not be noticed otherwise, it would help. But I am guessing that those kids who were not reading well by the end or 3rd before they started pushing reading in K are not going to benefit much from being pushed in K. --Robyn |
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when is reading taught ( Help with a camp activity)
Robyn Kozierok wrote in :
[snip] Is there any evidence that kids pushed in K learn to read any earlier or better than kids not so pushed? In my limited experience, kids "get" reading when they're ready, and pushing it earlier doesn't tend to make them ready earlier. Of course, for those ready early, in whom that readiness might not be noticed otherwise, it would help. But I am guessing that those kids who were not reading well by the end or 3rd before they started pushing reading in K are not going to benefit much from being pushed in K. I've seen figures comparing continental European children with British children. The European children in the study (I think they were Danish, but it could have been Dutch or Swedish) were taught reading starting at an age when the British children were assumed to already be reading, but overtook them later. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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Luna wrote in :
[snip] Ok, I'll suggest the older kid/younger kid pairing.**At*training*they actually suggest that if two kids are fighting, make them be buddies for the rest of the day.**I*don't*know*how*well*that*will*work*with*th e*kids in practice, but we'll see.**With*the*kids*I*work*with*now,*it*seems*the only ones that fight are siblings or best friends.**They*get*in*screaming matches, someone ends up crying, they complain to me about it, and 5 minutes later they're playing again like nothing happened. Don't buddy siblings! When I was a teen, I went to Guide camp with my sister, and we were put in the same tent because we got on so well at Guides. It didn't work that well. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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Penny Gaines wrote:
Robyn Kozierok wrote in : [snip] Is there any evidence that kids pushed in K learn to read any earlier or better than kids not so pushed? In my limited experience, kids "get" reading when they're ready, and pushing it earlier doesn't tend to make them ready earlier. Of course, for those ready early, in whom that readiness might not be noticed otherwise, it would help. But I am guessing that those kids who were not reading well by the end or 3rd before they started pushing reading in K are not going to benefit much from being pushed in K. I've seen figures comparing continental European children with British children. The European children in the study (I think they were Danish, but it could have been Dutch or Swedish) were taught reading starting at an age when the British children were assumed to already be reading, but overtook them later. There have also been studies of Head Start programs where the kids that had HS were ahead of those that did not, but that by about 2nd grade there was no difference. grandma Rosalie |
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"Luna" wrote in message ... In article , "Jeff" wrote: I would talk to the folks at the Y camp. I bet they have plans for indoor games already. Jeff lol. I AM one of the folks at the Y camp. Oh, I meant the supervisors. But this is good as well, because they get you thinking about what you have to do. It will be a good learning experience for you, and the kids in your charge. As long as they help you be prepared, you will be fine. Jeff |
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Penny Gaines wrote in message ...
Luna wrote in : [snip] Ok, I'll suggest the older kid/younger kid pairing.**At*training*they actually suggest that if two kids are fighting, make them be buddies for the rest of the day.**I*don't*know*how*well*that*will*work*with*th e*kids in practice, but we'll see.** Yeah...it depends on the nature of the fighting. I'm guarded on that as you seem to be. I can see maybe a peer arbitration type of thing, but putting together two kids who really don't get along...I'm not convinced. With*the*kids*I*work*with*now,*it*seems*the only ones that fight are siblings or best friends.**They*get*in*screaming matches, someone ends up crying, they complain to me about it, and 5 minutes later they're playing again like nothing happened. Don't buddy siblings! When I was a teen, I went to Guide camp with my sister, and we were put in the same tent because we got on so well at Guides. It didn't work that well. A "me-too-ish" post. The buddy system I described at my kids' school doesn't pair up siblings. I asked specifically about my daughter and her younger brother since by the time he gets to kindy, she'll be old enough to be his "buddy." They said they don't do that for two reasons: sibling stuff and to encourage kids to get to know others outside their family. They also put twins in separate classes for the same reasons. - Bev |
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