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Child Support ?'s
teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Soprano" wrote in message ... animal05 wrote: And naturally, all the news coverage was favoring the adoptive parents, there was a made of TV movie made, which basically portrayed the bio parents as trailer trash............same old. same old. Why on earth does the media care about this kind of stuff anyways? The media likes to be noticed--and to be noticed you have to present things that the public will react to. It's really quite simple. Like I said. **** the media. I boycott the media. Its idiotic. One cannot learn to be discerning if one isolates himself from the world. The media is one source of informations, as biased as it is. There are many other sources out there as well. Right. This newsgroup being one. My fellowship and my church being another. Government publications being a third. |
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"Soprano" wrote in Right. This newsgroup being one. My fellowship and my church being another. Government publications being a third. The Nazi's had their informative publications and propaganda reports. Remember the Iraqi Information officer, all is well. LOLOLOLOL |
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teachrmama wrote:
"animal05" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "animal05" wrote in message news:ZvudnZDbtqmIsjrbnZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@wideopenw est.com... Soprano wrote: teachrmama wrote: "Chris" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... snip for length That depends on what you mean by "consequences". The mother has legal "walk out" options available to her. The father, ONLY because of his gender, is denied such options. I was not aware that a mother could choose to walk away from a child at any time. I thought the LAW you are referring to limited the time to just a few days after birth. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what LAW you are referring to in your comments. I never said "law". Nonetheless, if a mother can "walk away" prior to a few days after birth, why is a father denied the same EQUAL right? I have no idea why the law is so unfair as to only let a woman walk away during that short time period after birth, Chris. But I don't think that unfairness justifies your defending the rights of men to walk away from their children any time they want to for any reason, or no reason at all. FAIRNESS justifies it. Women can walk away within one week after birth, so men can walk away any time during 18 years--just how is that fair, Chris? BTW, how many more years of servitude are you sentenced to until your child is grown? As you well know, I DO agree with you about equitable post conception choices for both men and women. But after 4 years, we are no longer talking "post comception," except in its broadest sense. Being that mothers can unilaterally adopt out their children; yes we are. Do you think that the mother could have adopted the child out without the father's permission after 4 years of raising the child together, Chris? Being that it occurs on a regular basis, you tell me. Really, Chris? Hmmmm.....I had not EVER heard of such a case. Perhaps you would be so good as to post a few of these cases online for me to peruse.. And perhaps you can post a few cases of where someone had pasta for dinner. No, Chris, I would be satisfied with your posting a few cases where a mother adopted out the children in an intact relationship without the father's permission. As I inferred, I don't keep inventory. But that doesn't mean it does not take place. It happened with a friend of mine; involving BOTH her children. To think that such events don't occur is to be living on another planet. I am thinking about the couple who adopted a little girl at birth because mom and dad had fallen out over her pregnancy. Whe the child was 3-1/2, bio mom and dad got back together and wanted the child, but the adoption was legal and mom could not undo it. So DAD asserted that mom had no right to give his child away, and Dad won in court. The showed the little girl being put into a van with the total strangers who were her bio parents, and her adoptive parents crying in the background ans their child was taken away forever. Dads can get adoptions overturned if they did not consent to them. That's sick. What state? There is far more to the story than that. The child was placed with the prospective adoptive parents immediately after her birth (in Iowa) The adoptive parents took the child to Michigan. The bio father, filed for custody shortly after the birth of the child, prevailed in court, in the appeals court, and the state Supreme court. The adoptive parents than made a claim in a Michgan court, found a "homer" judge to rule in their favor. It was overturned on appeal, at the state supreme court, and finally in federal court. The adoptive parents were the ones that were sick, without the bio father's consent, the adoption was never going to be valid, after losing in one state (and 2 years of time) they argued they should keep the child because they had her so long. The whole point of bringing up the story was that the FATHER's rights had been ignored in the adoption process,and that the adoption was overturned because of that. When the story first came out, the fact that the father filed the complaint shortly after the birth of the child was not made known--it was far into the story before we found out that the original petition to overturn the adoption had happened shortly after the child's birth. It was a very sad story, because the child *was* hurt by being taken from the only home she had ever known, and it should never have happened the way it did--the adoptive parents hould not have run after the original ruling. But it DID serve to firmly establish a father's right to keep a child that the mother sought to adopt out. And naturally, all the news coverage was favoring the adoptive parents, there was a made of TV movie made, which basically portrayed the bio parents as trailer trash............same old. same old. I know it did--I watched the TV as the child was put screaming and fighting into that van and driven away, and felt anger toward the parents who had so disrupted their child's life. THEN I found out that the father had NOT file when the dhild was already 3 years old--but had filed when she was a couple of months old. That changed everything. And the movie wasn't very fair either. I followed it for quite a while, it was happening one county away. The thing that REALLY ****ed me off was that the adotive parents were essentially getting free legal help from the University of Michigan law school.......i.e. my tax dollars. |
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