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Once again, Doug outclassed Kane0! Ain't you just tired of the name-callings from the "never-spanked" Kane? ;-) Doan On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Doug wrote: Kane had written: Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? To which, I had replied: Criminal court is where felonies are heard. To which, Kane replies: Yes. Is all child abuse then felonious? Hi, Kane, No, child abuse of lesser degrees are misdemeanors. They are also heard in criminal court. If you recall, you posted a newsstory about a person being charged with a felony because he was alledged to have abused a child and asked me (see above) whether it would be tried in civil or criminal court. I answered (above) criminal court. And you would be, obviously, allowing a great deal of abuse and neglect to go unhindered because it just missed the severest levels of injury. You are sick, sir. Very. Child abuse and neglect of very minor degree are covered in misdemeanor criminal statutes in all fifty states. One such criminal violation is "child endangerment," which often involves the lack of action, or neglect. These are tried in criminal court. To say that criminal courts handle only the severest levels of "injury" is an outright misstatement of fact. Most prosecutions for child maltreatment are for lessor abuse or neglect are misdemeanors. They are tried in criminal court. A great deal of denial goes on until the crimes exceed the civil and become the felonious. Nope. An act abusing or endangering children need not rise to the level of a felony to be investigated by police and tried in criminal court. In fact, minor abuse and neglect are violations of criminal law and prosecuted as misdeamenors in criminal court. It is NOT a question of exceeding "civil," it is a question of whether the crime of child abuse is at the level of misdeameanor or felony. Some are. You ignore that if all child abuse were to go to the police for investigation the costs would be astronomical. Newbie cops aren't detectives. Or were you unaware that they are the ones doing investigations? ALL of them? I know for a fact, as do most people in the field, that "ALL" criminal child abuse investigations are decidedly NOT done by "newbie cops." In point of fact, veteran detectives on most forces specialize in child abuse investigation. The federal government funds intensive trainings throughout the country for detectives. But even "newbie" detective is much better trained in how to gather evidence and interview collaterals than a social service worker. This is one of the facts persuading state legislatures to remove the investigative role from social service bureaucracies and give it to law enforcement, who are trained in such matters. A "newbie" detective doesn't know anything about "risk assessments" that dock parents points toward being neglectful if they are under 30 years old, but that, again, is another reason why they are better suited to do the investigations. You are wrong. It, like a great deal of crime, (some criminalogists claim ALL is disease, social disease) is in fact a social disease. Your magical thinking, your errors in judgement are fully exposed with such a statement. Child abuse is most certainly a disease. Sometimes it's also a crime. Child abuse decidedly is NOT a disease. It does not meet the criteria of a disease. Your shoot from the hip argumentation fails to consider the criteria of a disease. It is a severe thinking error to entertain the notion that child abuse has the components necessary to be classified as a disease. Is it diagnoised? Does it have a biophysical element? A disease is a condition. A crime is a behavior. The defination of a disease is exacting. Neither the AMA or the APA considers the behavior of child abuse to be a disease. In fact, no one to my knowledge other than yourself has so classified it. Do you have any references....a single authority that makes such an absurd claim? Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. It is not a disease. It is a crime. Chemical addiction is a disease. It is not a crime. Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. Child abuse is a crime. That it is a crime does not make it a disease. Child abuse is not a disease because it does not meet the criteria of being a disease. Child abuse is not a condition. It is a behavior. That it is not a disease does not preclude the behavior from being a crime. Depending on its severity, the behavior or lack of behavior is a misdemeanor or a felony. Check you thinking, Kane. And, please, if you have any authority charged with defining disease calling child abuse a disease, please cite it. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. LOL! Not at all. Child abuse does not meet the criteria of being a disease. It fails to meet two of the components. Do you know which ones? To come out of the blue and attempt to claim that child abuse is a disease is manipulative. It is not accurate. A disease is condition. A crime is a behavior (or lack of a required one). I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. LOL! You may want to look up the defination of a disease. Most, if not all, of the readers here know that child abuse is decidedly not a disease. I was not telling them something they don't know. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a latent child abuse disease. Child abuse does not exist unless a child is abused. Child abuse is an illegal behavior that occurs in various levels of severity, and are prosecuted in criminal court as either misdemeanors or felonies based upon the level of severity. Your position that child abuse is a disease whose symptoms are at first latent is absurd. What are the symptoms of this latent disease before it is "acted out?" LOL! Your theory is halarious. But it is not held by those who define disease or those who draw up criminal statutes. Child abuse is not a disease. Child abuse is a crime. |
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Somewhere, Someone is Wearing a Tube Top in Church.
At a Funeral. Cell 'phones are ringing in Classrooms, Theatres, and Libraries. White Sandals are being worn in the Dead of Winter on the Streets of New York. With Stockings. A girl is staggering under the weight of an Air Conditioner, on a 90-degree day, as a nearby boy watches with interest, idly enjoying a Cold Beverage. Young people are Swing-Dancing in Khakis. Chocolate is running around in "Martinis." And everywhere, the Elderly, the Infirm, and the Pregnant are standing up on trains. We are Appalled. Something has to be done. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Doug" wrote in message ... Kane had written: Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? To which, I had replied: Criminal court is where felonies are heard. To which, Kane replies: Yes. Is all child abuse then felonious? Hi, Kane, No, child abuse of lesser degrees are misdemeanors. They are also heard in criminal court. If you recall, you posted a newsstory about a person being charged with a felony because he was alledged to have abused a child and asked me (see above) whether it would be tried in civil or criminal court. I answered (above) criminal court. And you would be, obviously, allowing a great deal of abuse and neglect to go unhindered because it just missed the severest levels of injury. You are sick, sir. Very. Child abuse and neglect of very minor degree are covered in misdemeanor criminal statutes in all fifty states. One such criminal violation is "child endangerment," which often involves the lack of action, or neglect. These are tried in criminal court. To say that criminal courts handle only the severest levels of "injury" is an outright misstatement of fact. Most prosecutions for child maltreatment are for lessor abuse or neglect are misdemeanors. They are tried in criminal court. A great deal of denial goes on until the crimes exceed the civil and become the felonious. Nope. An act abusing or endangering children need not rise to the level of a felony to be investigated by police and tried in criminal court. In fact, minor abuse and neglect are violations of criminal law and prosecuted as misdeamenors in criminal court. It is NOT a question of exceeding "civil," it is a question of whether the crime of child abuse is at the level of misdeameanor or felony. Some are. You ignore that if all child abuse were to go to the police for investigation the costs would be astronomical. Newbie cops aren't detectives. Or were you unaware that they are the ones doing investigations? ALL of them? I know for a fact, as do most people in the field, that "ALL" criminal child abuse investigations are decidedly NOT done by "newbie cops." In point of fact, veteran detectives on most forces specialize in child abuse investigation. The federal government funds intensive trainings throughout the country for detectives. But even "newbie" detective is much better trained in how to gather evidence and interview collaterals than a social service worker. This is one of the facts persuading state legislatures to remove the investigative role from social service bureaucracies and give it to law enforcement, who are trained in such matters. A "newbie" detective doesn't know anything about "risk assessments" that dock parents points toward being neglectful if they are under 30 years old, but that, again, is another reason why they are better suited to do the investigations. You are wrong. It, like a great deal of crime, (some criminalogists claim ALL is disease, social disease) is in fact a social disease. Your magical thinking, your errors in judgement are fully exposed with such a statement. Child abuse is most certainly a disease. Sometimes it's also a crime. Child abuse decidedly is NOT a disease. It does not meet the criteria of a disease. Your shoot from the hip argumentation fails to consider the criteria of a disease. It is a severe thinking error to entertain the notion that child abuse has the components necessary to be classified as a disease. Is it diagnoised? Does it have a biophysical element? A disease is a condition. A crime is a behavior. The defination of a disease is exacting. Neither the AMA or the APA considers the behavior of child abuse to be a disease. In fact, no one to my knowledge other than yourself has so classified it. Do you have any references....a single authority that makes such an absurd claim? Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. It is not a disease. It is a crime. Chemical addiction is a disease. It is not a crime. Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. Child abuse is a crime. That it is a crime does not make it a disease. Child abuse is not a disease because it does not meet the criteria of being a disease. Child abuse is not a condition. It is a behavior. That it is not a disease does not preclude the behavior from being a crime. Depending on its severity, the behavior or lack of behavior is a misdemeanor or a felony. Check you thinking, Kane. And, please, if you have any authority charged with defining disease calling child abuse a disease, please cite it. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. LOL! Not at all. Child abuse does not meet the criteria of being a disease. It fails to meet two of the components. Do you know which ones? To come out of the blue and attempt to claim that child abuse is a disease is manipulative. It is not accurate. A disease is condition. A crime is a behavior (or lack of a required one). I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. LOL! You may want to look up the defination of a disease. Most, if not all, of the readers here know that child abuse is decidedly not a disease. I was not telling them something they don't know. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a latent child abuse disease. Child abuse does not exist unless a child is abused. Child abuse is an illegal behavior that occurs in various levels of severity, and are prosecuted in criminal court as either misdemeanors or felonies based upon the level of severity. Your position that child abuse is a disease whose symptoms are at first latent is absurd. What are the symptoms of this latent disease before it is "acted out?" LOL! Your theory is halarious. But it is not held by those who define disease or those who draw up criminal statutes. Child abuse is not a disease. Child abuse is a crime. |
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What Is An Insult? ::: Definition and Nature of Insults
The power of an insult can be devastating. Historically, insults have packed a powerful political, social and cultural punch. They have caused wars, civil disturbance (such as when an ethnic group is disparaged) and been central dynamics in great works of literature and art. Beyond their power on the group level, they have devastating power on the individual level. An insult can provoke an extreme reaction in its recipient such as an act of violence, a resulting feud, a suicide, a resignation, etc. On a less extreme level, it can cause anxiety, depression, erode confidence, etc. Surprising, then, that there is so little understanding about what an insult actually is. According to Dictionary.com, the definition of an insult is "to treat someone with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness." However, this definition is flawed for three reasons: 1. It implies that an insult is an action/event, not allowing that an insult can be an inaction/non-event such as something not said or done. 2. It implies that action/event is deliberate, not allowing for the fact that the 'insulting' party can be wholly unaware of the insult. 3. It is simply inadequate in its grasp of the complex nature of what an insult actually is. I define an insult as: An action or inaction, which a person perceives as demeaning to his or her status; usually intentional. There are two basic types of insult: pragmatic and cathartic. The pragmatic insult is usually methodical and delivered with precision as a means to any one or more of a multiplicity of premeditated ends: offence, humiliation, provocation, rebuke, organizational, distraction, dominance, scapegoating, etc. The cathartic insult involves an ad hoc release of emotions (anger, hostility, frustration, etc) and is essentially 'venting one's spleen' at someone. Insults can be verbal, comprising of invective, negative stereotyping, and rudeness or swearing, etc. They can take the form of an action, such as a valued object damaged, a cheap gift, a door not held open for you or intentionally slammed in your face, symbols desecrated, gifts returned or invitations refused, even foul smells, etc. They can take the form of an inaction, such as an invitation or get-well card not sent, a phone call not made, a date or time not kept, a custom or convention not observed, etc. They can be visual, such as offensive or indecent gestures e.g. pulling faces/sticking out one's tongue, "Obscene" artworks, or any of countless other visual gestures designed to insult. An insult is any expressed assessment of a person that is not in accord with his or her own favorable self-assessment. It doesn't have to be a deliberate attempt to insult, but merely the expression of the assessment. Moreover, the unfavorable assessment can be a forced self-assessment, such as seeing someone doing a task better, driving a more expensive car, or dating a prettier girl. Here, contrasting the success or superiority of another can perversely be seen as accentuating a sense of inadequacy, and consequently, perceived as an insult. For example, a former girlfriend who engineers her former boyfriend observing her with a new boyfriend who drives a better car than he does, where the purpose is clearly to insult her ex-boyfriend by the technique of forced contrast and resultant unfavorable self-assessment. An insult can have an immediate impact, a deferred impact or no impact at all. A verbal confrontation involving an exchange of insults intended and perceived as such by both parties is an obvious example of a situation where an immediate impact occurs. A deferred impact is where the insult (intentional or not) is not perceived as such at the time of its occurrence but later it 'sinks in' and the insulted party then reacts. It not a requirement of an insult that the insulted party perceives or reacts to it; nor is it required that the insulting party intended the insult. Thus, we can have an apparently absurd situation whereby the insulting party intended no insult and the insulted party perceived none, but an insult still occurred! It is not required that an insult has two parties to be an insult. An artist may create a work of art with the clear intention of expressing something considered blasphemous or taboo by a particular faith; even though it may never be seen, his work is still an insult. Likewise a blasphemy can be expressed, or a taboo broken, unwittingly; and an insult arise with no intent. Insults and jokes are closely related. An insult, however, is not a joke. Generally, a joke stimulates positive emotions such as pleasure, laughter, etc, while an insult stimulates negative emotions such as anger, humiliation, etc. You might wonder then, what constructive use humor is to the purpose of an insult. If the insult is public (has an audience), humor can further compound the complexity of the insult by soliciting laughter. The insulted party will see this as others laughing at him or her and feel negative emotions - typically humiliation, isolation, situational impotence, etc - in addition to the specific impact of the insult. Tactically, therefore, humor is highly constructive to a public insult. In a private insult (no audience other than the target), humor can serve as a display of ingenuity, undermining the insulted party's ability to retaliate with an equally witty or cutting retort, thereby compounding his or her distress by generating additional feelings of inferiority. In group dynamics, insults can be inclusive, ritualistic or exclusionary. They can reinforce shared group identities and values and enable interpersonal bonds between members of the group. Insults can, paradoxically, signal status within the group by being aimed at those who are robust enough to withstand them by others of similar elevated status. Ritualistic insults are often used as a form of initiation into a group - for example, the "rites of passage" or humiliation rituals used in armies. Exclusionary insults are aimed at unpopular members, and both reinforce the group's identity and elevate its status by devaluing others who are not members of the group. Insults are too dynamic in nature to be used as a formulated group strategy, but their cathartic and ad hoc nature can be a useful technique in allowing for the discharge of pent-up emotion or the introduction of a specific criticism in a 'jocular' or semi-confrontational manner. If the kernel of an insult is the belief that one's status has been diminished, then the art of insult is in diminishing the status of another. That implies that an insult is a weapon used to inflict psychological injury. However, it is healthier to understand an insult as being a tool, rather than a weapon. Nevertheless, if insults are to be understood as a weapon, then they are a weapon that can be used for good or for bad; for attack or for defense - just as a knife or any other weapon can. We've all heard the old schoolyard taunt, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Actually, a word can inflict a more powerful injury than a stick or stone - especially when written on a bottle and smashed over someone's skull! - Insultmonger.com Webmaster Appendix: Quotations about Insults The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting. - Amanda Cross I've always followed my father's advice. He told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble. - John Wayne The way to procure insults is to submit to them: a man meets with no more respect than he exacts. - William Hazlitt To add insult to injury. - Phaedrus He who allows himself to be insulted, deserves to be. - Pierre Corneille I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. - Edmund Burke I'm not intending to imply insult or judgment here but I am curious to know in order to be able to respond to your posts in an appropriate manner, so please forgive what appears to be, but in fact is not intended as, an insulting question: Are you stupid? - Melinda Shore The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization. - Sigmund Freud Popularity is the one insult I have never suffered. - Oscar Wilde A husband should not insult his wife publicly, at parties. He should insult her in the privacy of the home. - James Thurber A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved. - Russell Lynes Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears. - Marcus Aurelius An injury is much sooner forgotten than an insult. - Lord Chesterfield A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation. - Moličre No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt It belongs to human nature to hate those you have injured. - Agricola Tacitus I do not waste my time in answering abuse; I thrive under it like a field that benefits from manure. - Henry Labouchere It is often better not to see an insult than to avenge it. - Seneca We like so much to hear people talk of us and of our motives, that we are charmed even when they abuse us. - Marie de Sevigne Men are apt to offend ('tis true) where they find most goodness to forgive. - William Congreve One may be continually abusive without saying any thing just; but one cannot be always laughing at a man without now and then stumbling on something witty. - Jane Austen Whipping and abuse are like laudanum; you have to double the dose as the sensibilities decline. - Harriet Beecher Stowe Calculated risks of abuse are taken in order to preserve higher values. - Warren E. Burger If a man's character is to be abused, say what you will, there's nobody like a relation to do the business. - William Makepeace Thackery "Doan" wrote in message ... Once again, Doug outclassed Kane0! Ain't you just tired of the name-callings from the "never-spanked" Kane? ;-) Doan On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Doug wrote: Kane had written: Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? To which, I had replied: Criminal court is where felonies are heard. To which, Kane replies: Yes. Is all child abuse then felonious? Hi, Kane, No, child abuse of lesser degrees are misdemeanors. They are also heard in criminal court. If you recall, you posted a newsstory about a person being charged with a felony because he was alledged to have abused a child and asked me (see above) whether it would be tried in civil or criminal court. I answered (above) criminal court. And you would be, obviously, allowing a great deal of abuse and neglect to go unhindered because it just missed the severest levels of injury. You are sick, sir. Very. Child abuse and neglect of very minor degree are covered in misdemeanor criminal statutes in all fifty states. One such criminal violation is "child endangerment," which often involves the lack of action, or neglect. These are tried in criminal court. To say that criminal courts handle only the severest levels of "injury" is an outright misstatement of fact. Most prosecutions for child maltreatment are for lessor abuse or neglect are misdemeanors. They are tried in criminal court. A great deal of denial goes on until the crimes exceed the civil and become the felonious. Nope. An act abusing or endangering children need not rise to the level of a felony to be investigated by police and tried in criminal court. In fact, minor abuse and neglect are violations of criminal law and prosecuted as misdeamenors in criminal court. It is NOT a question of exceeding "civil," it is a question of whether the crime of child abuse is at the level of misdeameanor or felony. Some are. You ignore that if all child abuse were to go to the police for investigation the costs would be astronomical. Newbie cops aren't detectives. Or were you unaware that they are the ones doing investigations? ALL of them? I know for a fact, as do most people in the field, that "ALL" criminal child abuse investigations are decidedly NOT done by "newbie cops." In point of fact, veteran detectives on most forces specialize in child abuse investigation. The federal government funds intensive trainings throughout the country for detectives. But even "newbie" detective is much better trained in how to gather evidence and interview collaterals than a social service worker. This is one of the facts persuading state legislatures to remove the investigative role from social service bureaucracies and give it to law enforcement, who are trained in such matters. A "newbie" detective doesn't know anything about "risk assessments" that dock parents points toward being neglectful if they are under 30 years old, but that, again, is another reason why they are better suited to do the investigations. You are wrong. It, like a great deal of crime, (some criminalogists claim ALL is disease, social disease) is in fact a social disease. Your magical thinking, your errors in judgement are fully exposed with such a statement. Child abuse is most certainly a disease. Sometimes it's also a crime. Child abuse decidedly is NOT a disease. It does not meet the criteria of a disease. Your shoot from the hip argumentation fails to consider the criteria of a disease. It is a severe thinking error to entertain the notion that child abuse has the components necessary to be classified as a disease. Is it diagnoised? Does it have a biophysical element? A disease is a condition. A crime is a behavior. The defination of a disease is exacting. Neither the AMA or the APA considers the behavior of child abuse to be a disease. In fact, no one to my knowledge other than yourself has so classified it. Do you have any references....a single authority that makes such an absurd claim? Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. It is not a disease. It is a crime. Chemical addiction is a disease. It is not a crime. Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. Child abuse is a crime. That it is a crime does not make it a disease. Child abuse is not a disease because it does not meet the criteria of being a disease. Child abuse is not a condition. It is a behavior. That it is not a disease does not preclude the behavior from being a crime. Depending on its severity, the behavior or lack of behavior is a misdemeanor or a felony. Check you thinking, Kane. And, please, if you have any authority charged with defining disease calling child abuse a disease, please cite it. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. LOL! Not at all. Child abuse does not meet the criteria of being a disease. It fails to meet two of the components. Do you know which ones? To come out of the blue and attempt to claim that child abuse is a disease is manipulative. It is not accurate. A disease is condition. A crime is a behavior (or lack of a required one). I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. LOL! You may want to look up the defination of a disease. Most, if not all, of the readers here know that child abuse is decidedly not a disease. I was not telling them something they don't know. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a latent child abuse disease. Child abuse does not exist unless a child is abused. Child abuse is an illegal behavior that occurs in various levels of severity, and are prosecuted in criminal court as either misdemeanors or felonies based upon the level of severity. Your position that child abuse is a disease whose symptoms are at first latent is absurd. What are the symptoms of this latent disease before it is "acted out?" LOL! Your theory is halarious. But it is not held by those who define disease or those who draw up criminal statutes. Child abuse is not a disease. Child abuse is a crime. |
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A demitasse would fit his head like a sombrero.
A guy with your IQ should have a low voice too! A half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you held on to it. A sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind. After meeting you, I've decided I am in favor of abortion in cases of incest. All of your ancestors must number in the millions; it's hard to believe that many people are to blame for producing you. All that you are you owe to your parents. Why don't you send them a penny and square the account? Alone: In bad company. And there he was: reigning supreme at number two. Any friend of yours ... is a friend of yours. Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental! Anyone who told you to be yourself couldn't have given you worse advice. Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion? Are you brain-dead? Are your parents siblings? As an outsider, what do you think of the human race? As useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker. ~ Earl Pitts ~ As welcome as a rattlesnake at a square dance. ~ Robert Reinhold ~ At least you are not obnoxious like so many other people - you are obnoxious in a different and worse way! Before you came along we were hungry. Now we are fed up. Believe me, I don't want to make a monkey out of you. Why should I take all the credit? Better at sex than anyone, now all he needs is a partner. Brains aren't everything. In fact, in your case they're nothing! Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Can I borrow your face for a few days while my ass is on vacation? wrote in message ups.com... Forums are invitation only groups of like minded folks that wish to discuss a specific issue. Newgroups on Usenet do not have the same protocols for a very good reason: unless moderated they are precisely to encourage the new and interesting and controversial and disagreeable, even the stupid and misinformed. That's why I LOVE having you here, you old POOPer. The information doesn't apply. It's from a commercial source as well. You planning on doing some "business" on alt.support.fp? R R R RR R R 0:- Pop wrote: This "netiquette" guide will help you and others make the most of the forum. a.. Please welcome newcomers. Writing a first topic on a forum can be daunting, so please be friendly and welcoming. b.. Use proper spelling and grammar. Do not write entire posts in "netspeak"; it's difficult to read, and not everyone knows what the abbreviations mean. c.. DON'T SHOUT. Typing in all caps is considered shouting, and is rude and difficult to read. d.. Please do not post multiple copies of a message; pick the most appropriate place and post it once. e.. When starting a topic, make sure the title is descriptive and relevant. You should also check to see if anybody else has already posted the same information or question. f.. 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Lantern reserves the right to remove offensive posts without notice. Lantern also reserves the right to ban anyone who willfully violates the above Forum Etiquette Guide. p.. If you have any questions or concerns, you may post them here or contact a member of the Lantern staff. (All Lantern staff members are noted when they post.) wrote in message ups.com... Gee POOPer, you seem to be lagging behind. It seems to take forever for you to catch up with my "non-support of foster parents" postings. I wonder what foster parents themselves would say about what Wex, for instance, or Ron, or myself post here? My guess? All foster related or linked to issues of important to foster parents. In other words, you are making a perfect, and I mean precisely perfect, pluperfect, fool of yourself. Come on, what's holdin' you up today, besides your choker set suspenders? R R R R R R R 0:- |
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small screen. I've come across decomposed bodies that are less offensive than you are. I've had many cases of love that were just infatuation, but this hate I feel for you is the real thing. I've hated your looks from the start they gave me. I've only got one nerve left, and you're getting on it. I've seen people like you, but I had to pay admission! Judging by the old saying, "What you don't know can't hurt you," he's practically invulnerable. Keep talking, someday you'll say something intelligent! Keep talking. I always yawn when I'm interested. Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control! Let's play horse. I'll be the front end and you be yourself. Let's play house. You be the door and I'll slam you. Look, don't go to a mind reader; go to a palmist; I know you've got a palm. Make a mental note . . . oh, I see you're out of paper! Make somebody happy. Mind your own business. Man alive! But I wish you weren't. Moonlight becomes you - total darkness even more! Never enter a battle of wits unarmed. Nice to see you on your feet. Who sent the derrick? No one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy, if you wear a wig to hide to the scars and learn to control the slobbering. Nobody says that you are dumb. They just say you were sixteen years old before you learned how to wave good-bye. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time. Of all the people I've met you're certainly one of them. Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live. Pardon me, but you've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. People can't say that you have absolutely nothing! After all, you have inferiority! People clap when they see you - their hands over their eyes or ears. People say that you are outspoken but not by anyone that I know of. People say that you are the perfect idiot. I say that you are not perfect but you are doing all right. Perhaps your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Please breathe the other way. You're bleaching my hair. She could eat a watermelon through a picket fence! She had a mouth dirtier than a wicker toilet seat. She has a nice butter face. Everything looks nice, but her face. She thinks the rearview mirror is for putting on make-up. She was another one of his near Mrs. She's a lot like train tracks - she's been laid across the country. She's got a body that won't quit and a brain that won't start. She's got more chins than the Hong Kong telephone book. She's like Taco Bell. When people see her, they run for the border. She's so ugly they used to put a pot roast in her lap so the dog would play with her. She's so ugly, she'd make a freight train take a dirt road! Sit down and give your mind a rest. Slit your wrists - it will lower your blood pressure. So stupid, he moves his lips when watching TV. So ugly, robbers give him their masks to wear. So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journey. Some day you will find yourself - and wish you hadn't. Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, but he just gargled. Some folks are so dumb, they have to be watered twice a week. Some people are has-beens. You are a never-was. Some people don't hesitate to speak their minds because they have nothing to lose. Somebody else is doing the driving for that boy! Someday you'll go far, if you catch the right train. Someone said you are not fit to sleep with pigs. I stuck up for the pigs. Someone said you are not fit to sleep with pigs. I stuck up for you and said, 'oh yes she is.' Someone took a photo of you once but it didn't turn out. You could be seen too clearly. Take a vacation; go to Club Dead. Take off that mask! Don't you think it's a little early for Halloween? Talk is cheap, but so are you. That's a very meaty question and I'd like to give it a very meaty answer -baloney! The closest she/he'll ever get to a brainstorm is a slight drizzle. The cream rises to the top. So does the scum. The going got weird and he turned pro. The inbreeding is certainly obvious in your family. The next time you shave, could you stand a little closer to the razor? The only thing he brought to this job was his car. The overwhelming power of the sex drive was demonstrated by the fact that someone was willing to father you. The thing that terrifies me the most is that someone might hate me as much as I loathe you. The twinkle in his eyes is actually the sun shining between his ears. The wheel is still spinning but the hamster died. There are only two things I dislike about her - her face. There are several people in this world that I find obnoxious and you are all of them. There is no vaccine against stupidity. They just invented a new coffin just for you that goes over the head. It's for people who are dead from the neck up. They said you were a great asset. I told them they were off by two letters. They say opposites attract. I hope you meet someone who is good-looking, intelligent, and cultured. They say space is a dangerous place . . . especially if it's between your ears! They say that travel broadens one. You must have been around the world. They say that two heads are better than one. In your case, one would have been better than none. They say truth is stranger than fiction. Look, your mother gave birth to you. They shot him through the stupid forest, and he didn't miss a tree. Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it? --from "Lost In Space" This is no battle of wits between you and me. I never pick on an unarmed man. Too bad stupidity isn't painful. We all spring from apes but you didn't spring far enough. We do not complain about your shortcomings but about your long stayings. We heard that when you ran away from home your folks sent you a note saying, "Do not come home and all will be forgiven." We know that you would give your life for us. Promises, promises! We know that you would go to the end of the world for us. But would you stay there? We know you could not live without us. We'll pay for the funeral. We'll get along fine as soon as you realize I'm God. Well, I'll see you in my dreams - if I eat too much. What color is the sky in your world? What he lacks in intelligence, he more than makes up for in stupidity. Whatever anyone says to you goes in one ear and out the other because nothing is blocking traffic. Whatever is eating you - must be suffering horribly. What's the latest dope - besides you? When God was throwing intelligence down to the Earth, you were holding an umbrella. When I look into your eyes, I see the back of your head. When you die, I'd like to go to your funeral but I'll probably have to go to work that day. I believe in business before pleasure. When you die, you should have your brain donated to science. I hear they're trying to come up with the perfect vacuum. When you feel terrific, notify your face. When you fell out of the ugly tree, you hit every branch on the way down. When you get run over by a car it shouldn't be listed under accidents. When you pass away and people ask me what the cause of your death was, I'll say your stupidity. When you were a child your mother wanted to hire someone to take care of you but the Mafia wanted too much. When you were born, God admitted that even He could make a mistake! Whom am I calling "stupid"? I don't know. What's your name? Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance? With a mind like yours, who needs a body? Worst-dressed sentient being in the known universe. Would you like some cheese and crackers to go with that whine? Would you like to replace my business partner who died this morning? I'll arrange it with the undertaker. You always have your ear to the ground. So how's life in the gutter? You are a man of the world -- and you know what sad shape the world is in. You are about as useful as a windshield wiper on a goat's ass. You are as strong as an ox and almost as intelligent. You are down to earth but not quite far down enough. You are living proof that manure can grow legs and walk. You are no longer beneath my contempt. You are not as bad as people say - you are worse! You are pretty as a picture and we'd love to hang you. You are so boring that you can't even entertain a doubt. You are so dishonest that I can't even be sure that what you tell me are lies! You are so dumb you sit on the TV and watch the sofa. You are so fat that I hear you were arrested three times for jaywalking when all the time you were just standing on the corner waiting for the light to change. You are so stupid you got hit by a parked car You are such a smart-ass I bet you could sit on a carton of ice cream and tell what flavor it is. (Thanks, Erin and Justin Keller) You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. You could throw her in the river and skim ugly for two days. You don't sweat much, for a fat girl. You grow on people - like a wart! You have a face only a mother could love - and she hates it! You have a good weapon against muggers - your face! You have a lot of well-wishers. They would all like to throw you down one. You have a speech impediment ... your foot. You have a striking face. Tell me, how many times were you struck there? You have an inferiority complex - and it's fully justified. You have no trouble making ends meet. Your foot is always in your mouth! You liked your first chin so much, you added two more. You make me believe in reincarnation. Nobody can be as stupid as you in one lifetime. You must have a low opinion of people if you think they're your equals. You must have gotten up on the wrong side of the cage this morning. You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. You remind me of the ocean - you make me sick. You say that you are always bright and early. Well OK, we know you are early. You should be the poster child for birth control. You should do some soul-searching. Maybe you'll find one. You should have been born in the Dark Ages; you look terrible in the light. You should toss out more of your funny remarks; that's all they're good for. You started at the bottom - and it's been downhill ever since. You used to be arrogant and obnoxious. Now you are just the opposite. You are obnoxious and arrogant. You were born because your mother didn't believe in abortion; now she believes in infanticide. You were the answer to a prayer. Your parents prayed that the world would be made to suffer and here you came along. You will never be able to live down to your reputation! Your conversation is like the waves of the sea. It makes me sick! Your dog is so stupid, he chases parked cars. Your family tree is good but you are the sap. Your mouth is getting too big for your muzzle. Your teeth are like stars - they come out at night. Your verbosity is exceeded only by your stupidity. You're a habit I'd like to kick; with both feet. You're acquitting yourself in a way that no jury ever would. You're like one of those "idiot savants," except without the "savant" part. You're nobody's fool. Let's see if we can get someone to adopt you. You're not yourself today. I noticed the improvement immediately. You're so dumb you thought Taco Bell was a phone company. You're so fat when you jumped up you got stuck. You're so fat you got baptized at Sea World. You're so fat you laid down in the ocean and Spain claimed you as the New World. You're so fat you saw 90210 on a scale. You're so fat you use hoola-hoops to keep your socks up. You're so fat, when you wear a yellow rain coat people scream ''taxi''. You're so low you could milk a pregnant snake! You're so old you drove a chariot to school. You're so slow it takes you an hour and a half to watch "Sixty Minutes." You're so small, you pose for trophies. You're so stupid you threw a rock at the ground and missed. You're so stupid you trip over the cord of a cellular phone! You're so ugly when you went to a haunted house they offered you a job. You're so ugly you almost look like your mother. You're so ugly you have to trick or treat over the phone. You're so ugly you make blind kids cry. You're so ugly your husband goes everywhere alone. You're so ugly your husband takes you with him everywhere he goes so he doesn't have to kiss you bye. You're so ugly, when you walk into taco bell, EVERYONE runs for the border! You're very smart. You have brains you never used. You've got your head so far up your ass you can chew your food twice. You've never been outspoken; no one has ever been able to. wrote in message ups.com... Forums are invitation only groups of like minded folks that wish to discuss a specific issue. Newgroups on Usenet do not have the same protocols for a very good reason: unless moderated they are precisely to encourage the new and interesting and controversial and disagreeable, even the stupid and misinformed. That's why I LOVE having you here, you old POOPer. The information doesn't apply. It's from a commercial source as well. You planning on doing some "business" on alt.support.fp? R R R RR R R 0:- Pop wrote: This "netiquette" guide will help you and others make the most of the forum. a.. Please welcome newcomers. Writing a first topic on a forum can be daunting, so please be friendly and welcoming. b.. Use proper spelling and grammar. Do not write entire posts in "netspeak"; it's difficult to read, and not everyone knows what the abbreviations mean. c.. DON'T SHOUT. Typing in all caps is considered shouting, and is rude and difficult to read. d.. Please do not post multiple copies of a message; pick the most appropriate place and post it once. e.. 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Our Lantern forum is for discussion of Lantern titles and related subjects (Vegetarianism, Animal Rights, Spirituality, Natural Health, Environmentalism). Our off-topic forum is for all other topics. Be sure to post in the correct place. j.. "Flaming" is insulting another user's post, opinions, subject, grammar or pretty much anything else in an attempt to pick an online fight. While debate and disagreement are fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. k.. Ignore "trolls." Some people get a thrill from posting "flames" (really obnoxious messages) just to get a rise out of others. The best way to make them go away is to ignore them; they'll get bored and go somewhere else. l.. "Spam" (unsolicited commercial advertisements) is forbidden. This includes using the forum email and private message system to spam other members. m.. Please do not give away your personal information, which includes your phone number and home address. n.. We recommend reading the forum without posting for a while. This is known as "lurking," and it will give you the flavor of the forum. It's best to understand the culture before you jump in. o.. Lantern reserves the right to remove offensive posts without notice. Lantern also reserves the right to ban anyone who willfully violates the above Forum Etiquette Guide. p.. If you have any questions or concerns, you may post them here or contact a member of the Lantern staff. (All Lantern staff members are noted when they post.) wrote in message ups.com... Gee POOPer, you seem to be lagging behind. It seems to take forever for you to catch up with my "non-support of foster parents" postings. I wonder what foster parents themselves would say about what Wex, for instance, or Ron, or myself post here? My guess? All foster related or linked to issues of important to foster parents. In other words, you are making a perfect, and I mean precisely perfect, pluperfect, fool of yourself. Come on, what's holdin' you up today, besides your choker set suspenders? R R R R R R R 0:- |
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Kane writes:
Some crime does. Some crime comes under civil law. The police may not even see it. That is the point of CPS. To keep it from becoming, as you pointed out in an earlier post, felonious. Hi, Kane, Crime comes under criminal statutes. The misdemeanor charge of child endangerment is not investigated by CPS and does not fall under civil law. Child endangerment is investigated by police and tried in criminal court. More severe child abuse is investigated by police and is prosecuted in criminal court as a felony. There is nothing false in my statement defining and clarifying what you are up to. The falsity is in your statements. You know nothing about what an author of a post is "up to." My purpose is to discuss the issues, not the motivation of those who take positions on those issues. If you are so involved in the witchcraft of guessing at people's motives, you'll have to go it alone. They are so well trained they even know when to stop and turn a case over to a police detective for investigation. The literature abounds with research that disputes your contention. It is a common complaint among CWLA and other child welfare agencies that CPS workers are poorly trained. Not all child abuse is a felony. Not all child abuse rises to the level of the perp being a felon. Not all crimes of child abuse are felonies. Most criminal violations of child abuse statutes are misdemeanors. Child abuse is a crime. Not all child abuse rises to the level of the perp being a felon, you're right. That is why states have the lower theshold of "misdemeanor" for the crime of child abuse. Yes, that is correct, but in no way negates my statement. When CPS opens a case, and there is no evidence in the allegation call to suggest strong likelihood of a felony, CPS will investigate. If such evidence shows up, they will turn the case over to the police, sometimes still being part of the investigative team. Please stop this lying Doug. It's unfair to confuse the reader that might not know your history. There need not be evidence to suggest strong likelihood of a felony for the crime of child abuse to be turned over to police. Most criminal prosecutions for child abuse are misdemeanors. Most investigations by police overall are for misdemeanors. Have a great day! |
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Doug wrote: ..=2E..yet another epistle ripe with thinking errors, and misinformation. I'll take just one as an example, as the others, if anyone cares to read and think, are simply hairsplitting bull**** as usual: ..=2E...snip.......... Child abuse decidedly is NOT a disease. It does not meet the criteria of= a disease. Your shoot from the hip argumentation fails to consider the criteria of a disease. It is a severe thinking error to entertain the notion that child abuse has the components necessary to be classified as a disease. Is it diagnoised? Does it have a biophysical element? A disease is a condition. A crime is a behavior. Sorry, one can have both in the same individual. And sorry also but disease by definition, as you claim below is anything but.... The defination of a disease is exacting. No it isn't. Damn near every field has differing definitions of "disease." And where do you get the idea that having a "behavior" precludes having a "disease?" In fact often a "behavior" is a clue to what disease a person suffers from. Both the victim and the child can suffer from the disease of child abuse, as well of the behavior of child abuse. You are full of your usual bluff, known in some circles as BULL****! Yer out of yer everlovin' mind, douggieboy, and now you are even lying to yourself. # an impairment of health or a condition of abnormal functioning wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn # A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected or those in contact with the person. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries, disabilities, syndromes, symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts these may be considered distinguishable categories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease # Any malfunctioning of host cells and tissues that results from continuous irritation by a pathogenic agent or environmental factor and leads to development of symptoms. www.ento.okstate.edu/Pddl/glossary.htm # Prevalence http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publ...jhs/cjhs4.html # one of the 'divine messengers' (deva-d=FAta, qv). www.budsas.org/ebud/bud-dict/dic3_d.htm # Any condition which is results in a fall in the level of health of an animal. For a disease condition to exist, there must be three predisposing factors, 1. A disease agent, 2. A host for the disease agent, 3. The environmental conditions which make the host susceptible to the disease agent. Most of the time, animals (the host) live in a state of equilibrium with the pathogens (the disease agent) in their environment. A change in environment can stress the fish, and weaken it's defences against the pathogen, giving it the opportunity to multiply and result in a disease www.aquatext.com/list-d.htm # Process injurious to health and/or longevity http://www.gastric-bypass-treatment....-glossary.aspx # An abnormal condition of body structure and function, usually indicated by symptoms. http://www.sdnhm.org/exhibits/epidem.../glossary.html # Formally speaking, a disease is the condition in which the functioning of the body or a part of the body is interfered with or damaged. In a person with an infectious disease, the infectious agent that has entered the body causes it to function abnormally in some way or ways. The type of abnormal functioning that occurs is the disease. Usually the body will show some signs and symptoms of the problems it is having with functioning. Disease should not be confused with infection. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/glossary.htm # A harmful deviation from the normal functioning of physiological and biochemical processes caused by plant pathogens (fungi, viruses, bacteria, parasites). http://www.lsuagcenter.com/inst/rese...ice/Dterms.htm # Any disturbance of a plant that interferes with its normal structure, function, or economic value. www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/glossary.html # A deleterious change in the body's condition in response to destabilizing factors, such as nutrition, chemicals, or biological agents. highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0070294267/student_view0/glossary_a-d.html # stress condition produced by the effects of a pathogen on a susceptible host. scarab.msu.montana.edu/historybug/glossary.htm # an abnormal bodily condition of a living plant or animal that interferes with functioning and can usually be recognized by signs, symptoms, and illness. whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/biosphere/glossary.= html # Illness or sickness often characterized by typical patient problems (symptoms) and physical findings (signs). www.arabinfo.org/montogomery/Terms.htm # An abnormal condition of a plant in which its physiology, morphology, and/or development is altered under the continuous influence of a pathogen. (3) ppathw3.cals.cornell.edu/glossary/Defs_D.htm # A condition of an organism that impairs normal physiological function. Also see Infectious Disease. fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/glossary.html # A combination of lung diseases including emphysema and bronchitis. Emphysema is a chronic disease in which the small air sacs in the lungs (the alveoli) become damaged, resulting in difficulty breathing. Bronchitis is an inflammation of the bronchial tubes (which connect the trachea to the lungs), characterized by blockage of airflow in and out of the lungs. www.ahrq.gov/data/hcup/factbk1/fctbk5.htm # Any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from injury. http://www.canadapharma.org/Patient_...lossary_Terms/ # Literally, dis-ease, lack of ease; pathological condition that presents a group of symptoms peculiar to it and which establishes the condition as an abnormal entity different from other normal or pathological body states. discontinuous effect: See SN intermittent effect www.sis.nlm.nih.gov/Glossary/d.html # Lack of ease; deviation from normal. http://www.usc.edu/hsc/dental/opath/...ctionaryD.html # Illness, sickness. An interruption, cessation, or disorder of body functions, systems, or organs. Top of page http://www.rationaltherapeutics.com/...e/glossary.htm # A condition of the body in which there is incorrect function due to heredity, infection, diet, or environment. http://www.mdk12.org/mspp/vsc/scienc...glossary.shtml # Disease can be defined in three ways: http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealt...n/glossary.htm # Periodontal disease is the deterioration of the supporting structures of the teeth. www.jasonforddds.com/faqs.html # a state in which a function or part of the body is no longer in a healthy condition lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/allergybegone/glossary.html # a medically definable process, in terms of pathophysiology and pathology. Illness is what the patient experiences. www.therubins.com/geninfo/Definit.htm Neither the AMA or the APA considers the behavior of child abuse to be a disease. In fact, no one to my knowledge other than yourself has so classified it. Do you have any references....a single authority that makes such an absurd claim? As usual, trying to blow smoke up the readers ass: http://www.henryfordhealth.org/12640.cfm " Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Back to main Health Information page Disease - Battered child syndrome Fracture types (1) Fracture types (1) Definition: Battered child syndrome refers to children who have undergone physical abuse that has left them with both physical and psychological trauma. Alternative Names: Non-accidental trauma (NAT); Child abuse Causes And Risk: Physical abuse of children occurs in every socioeconomic class, though it is most common amongst the poor due to increased stress and greater lack of control over stressful circumstances. Abuse tends to occur at moments of greatest stress, when the perpetrator strikes out in anger at the child. Many perpetrators were themselves abused as children and they often don=B4t realize that abuse is not appropriate discipline. Abusers also frequently have poor impulse control, which prevents them from thinking through the consequences of their actions. Because of the relative size and strength difference between adults and children, the abused child can be severely injured or killed unintentionally. Shaking an infant, for example, can cause bleeding over the brain (subdural hematoma) which can cause permanent brain damage or death (shaken baby syndrome). The incidence of child abuse is remarkably high. The total abuse rate is 25.2 per 1,000 children with physical abuse counting for 5.7 per 1000, sexual abuse 2.5 per 1,000, emotional abuse 3.4 per 1000 and neglect accounting for the vast majority, 15.9 per 1,000 children. Of course, these categories often overlap, with sexual and physical abuse often occurring together and with sexual abuse, physical abuse or neglect seldom occurring without emotional abuse. These numbers may also be underestimates due to failure to diagnose or report this problem. Risk factors include poverty, lack of education, single parenthood, alcoholism or other drug addictions and a host of other factors. Prevention: Recognition of pending abuse can help prevent actual abuse. Warning signs include the following: * Abuse history (such as previous abuse of the child or the child=B4s siblings) * Lack of apparent parental love or concern * Failure to maintain the child=B4s proper hygiene or care * Parental alcohol or drug problems * Parental emotional problems or mental illness * History of abuse in the parent=B4s childhood * High stress factors in the family life Intervention with counseling may prevent abuse when any of these factors are present. Watchful guidance and support from the extended family, friends, clergy, or other supportive persons or groups may prevent abuse or may allow early intervention in cases of abuse. Symptoms: * Appearance at an emergency room with an injured child and one or both of the following: o An improbable explanation of the cause of the injury o An injury that is not recent * Bruise marks shaped like hands, fingers, or objects (such as a belt) * Specific patterns of scalding (seen when a conscious child is immersed in hot water) * Burns from an electric stove, radiator, heater or other hot objects on the child=B4s hands or buttocks * Cigarette burns on exposed areas or the genitals * Black eyes in an infant * Human bite marks * Lash marks * Choke marks around neck * Circular marks around wrists or ankles (twisting) * Separated sutures * Bulging fontanelle * Unexplained unconsciousness in infant Signs And Tests: Physical examination may show other injuries, such as: * Multiple retinal hemorrhages (bleeding in the back of the eye) * Internal damage such as bleeding or rupture of an organ from blunt trauma * Any fracture in an infant that is too young to walk or crawl * Evidence of epiphyseal fractures (often multiple) of long bones or spiral type fractures that result from twisting * Fractured ribs * Evidence of skull fracture (multiple fractures of different ages may be present) * Subdural hematoma (collection of blood in the brain) without plausible explanation Tests that reveal physical injuries include: * Bone X-ray * Skull X-ray and/or MRI or CT scan Treatment: Physical injuries are treated as appropriate for the specific injury. Counseling or intervention of some type for the parent(s) is mandatory. Life-threatening abuse or abuse resulting in permanent damage to the infant or child may result in incarceration for the perpetrator. In some cases, the child may be temporarily or permanently removed from further danger. Many states require that known or suspected child abuse be reported to the police, and reporting is automatic. Child protection services are also notified. The disposition of the child will be determined by the severity of the abuse, the likelihood of recurrence, and other factors. Decisions regarding placing the child with an outside caregiver or returning the child to the home usually are made by the appropriate government agency through the court system. The structure of these agencies varies from state to state...." You seem to want to confine the disease of child abuse to only the perp. Why is that douggieboy? You a perp? Just for you I'll repeat the title: "Disease - Battered child syndrome" And isn't it interesting 0:- that an organization that is heavily invested in tracking, studying, and dissemination information child abuse is called, "Centers for Disease Control?" Then there's the World Health Organization. http://www.who.int/violence_injury_p...ce/neglect/en/ " Burden of Disease The burden of disease due to child abuse and neglect is made up of deaths, disabilities and illness arising immediately from acts of child maltreatment, plus a much larger burden of disease associated with psychiatric and physical disorders that appear to be causally related to the abuse but which onset often many years after the abuse occurred. However, owing to the taboos which exist in most societies around recognising, disclosing, reporting and recording child maltreatment, both these immediate and delayed health effects are particularly difficult to measure accurately." And what does it matter that I'm the only person you've heard of, or in this group, that considers child abuse a disease? I consider it, at the very least, a social disease, and I consider it a mental illness. Any creature that harms it's young and kills them is not a fit member of society and introduce a toxic element to society by injuring their child and later "injecting" that child into the public arena. Child abuse has many of the typical characteristics of a disease, and in fact in the first citation is examined and considered from the perspectives of both Dx and Tx. Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. It is not a disease. It is a crime. It is both. Chemical addiction is a disease. It is not a crime. The act of taking many chemicals, and all that impair in certain circumstances, like operating "heavy machinery," is a crime. What planet are you on? Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. The point, Douggie, that you are now doing your weasel best to get others to forget, and possibly yourself as well, is that I said child abuse can be present as both a crime and a disease, and even in one individual. You have ignored that nicely, but it's still true. Just as wrong possession is a crime and some who wrongfully possess (those that take the substance) also have the disease of chemical dependency. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. Child abuse is a crime. That it is a crime does not make it a disease. No, and that is a lying weasel. I said, it "does not precule it being also a disease." Why do you do this obvious bumbling? Are you losing your mind? Aren't you too young for Alzheimer's? Child abuse is not a disease because it does not meet the criteria of bei= ng a disease. Sorry. It does and others with the authority you asked for are quoted above, and cited. Child abuse is not a condition. I beg your pardon? If I asked what condition a child is in that has been abused and someone answers me, "that child is only slightly injured, the other in grave condition and may die," you find it convenient to claim child abuse is not a "condition?" It is a behavior. No, as I pointed out, and I've provided citations by authority, and there were certainly many more than the few I pointed out, it is both a behavior and and outcome. Child abuse includes both victim and perp, Doug, and how you, who claim to be a social worker, miss that is totally beyond me. Your desire to further your propaganda and your emotionally driven hate campaign are becoming enterly too apparent, is that not so? That it is not a disease does not preclude the behavior from being a crime. Dependi= ng on its severity, the behavior or lack of behavior is a misdemeanor or a felony. And the behavior being a crime does not preclude it being an act that is symptomatic of a social disease, and of a diseased mind as well. And it's experience to the victim meets all the criteria of a disease victim experience. Read what a disease is. If an abuser does injury to a child the abuser is the disease that injured, both by acts, and by his or her very existence, just like many diseases proceed. Check you thinking, Kane. And, please, if you have any authority charged with defining disease calling child abuse a disease, please cite it. Check my thinking? Is that how you wish to cover up your own vast spewings if flawed thinking and conclusions you put forth? And I cited them. And I've pointed out the logic of viewing child abuse as a disease. And I'll point out one more thing, just especially for you. 0:- The best treatment for child abuse, just like chemical dependency is a similar regimen. Treat child abuse as a disease (what it is) and you can make progress against it. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. LOL! Why do you laugh at something so very serious? Because you are unwilling to face it and have to dodge even your own thoughts? Not at all. Sorry, it appears very much as though you do exactly as I point out...or you are monumentally stupid and ignorant. Child abuse does not meet the criteria of being a disease. It fails to meet two of the components. Do you know which ones? Why play guessing games? And name them and I'll show you were they are met by definition and fact. To come out of the blue and attempt to claim that child abuse is a disease is manipulative. It is not accurate. No, it is not the least manipulative. I make NO attempt to hide anything. I do not deviate and dodge and avoid and attempt to confuse the reader with sophistries and diversions. A disease is condition. Child abuse is a condition. Ask the child and the doctor that examines. Ask the CDC. Ask the WHO. A crime is a behavior (or lack of a required one). And you seriously believe that it being, as you claim, that child abuse is only a behavior and not a condition. Hmmm...interesting thinking processes. Please, see a gerantologist. I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. LOL! You may want to look up the defination of a disease. Most, if not all, of the readers here know that child abuse is decidedly not a disease. No, they know no such thing. Most folks haven't given that much thought until you and I opened up this conversation on it. That is far more likely, Douggieboy. And when the go to look at my citations they will see you are the perverbial stuffed christmas goose. I was not telling them something they don't know. Yes, you were and you still are trying to tell them something they don't know, and they don't know it because it's not true. Nevertheless you have some investment in classifying child abuse as a crime only. That's very dangerous for someone in your line of work. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a lat= ent child abuse disease. Yes there is. People regularly, for instance, use Corporal Punishment to "discipline" their children...to try and control them. It may never rise to the level of abuse. And then again I may. And does, all too often. It was a latent condition prior to rising to the level of abuse. Child abuse does not exist unless a child is abused. I beg your pardon? What nonsense is THIS. Suddenly you are building my case for me? Of course it doesn't it "exists" from the perspective of those not yet subjected to it. Are you willing to say battered spouse syndrom doesn't exist unless a spouse is battered? Child abuse is an illegal behavior that occurs in various levels of severity, and are prosecuted in criminal court as either misdemeanors or felonies based upon the level of severity. You may chant and mumble the same words over and over again, but it changes nothing. Of course it's illegal. That does not keep it from being a disease. Just as inebriation is a crime, it comes from people often with a disease. Just as you claimed for chemical dependency earlier in this post. Your position that child abuse is a disease whose symptoms are at first latent is absurd. What are the symptoms of this latent disease before it= is "acted out?" R R R ...well first of all "latent disease" does not have "symptoms." Those exist only in those infected or affected. But like a disease it has precursor characteristics. Vectors, hosts, incubation periods, and similar disease characteristics. Poverty, lack of education, crime, mental illness, being a victim before victimizing others, are all characteristics that mark child abuse and it's likelihood. Or would you care to argue with the authorities on that one? For instance, someone with a chemical dependency disease is known to abuse or neglect more likely and more often than those without such a condition. More neglect happens in empoverished populations. LOL! Your theory is halarious. But it is not held by those who define disease or those who draw up criminal statutes. By now you've read the citations. Still laughing? 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know, and I couldn't care less. If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would hate to be giving the wrong impression. He is YOUR god, they are YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell. Nostalgia? Revenge is a form of Nostalgia right? We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. That's it, no more free will. Every cloud has a silver lining (except for the mushroom shaped ones, which have a lining of Iridium & Strontium 90). Ever feel like nothing could go right for you and that you are never going to get out of a slump? The need for compainionship is strong enough to overrule any other emotion or any thought. Life seems much blacker without someone to share it with. Life continues regardless, and I abide. Due to circumstances within my control, tomorrow will be cancelled. Due to recent cutbacks and until further notice, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. The shortest distance between two points is under construction. Whenever you eliminate the inedible, whatever remains, however unpalatable, must be food. Stop using Jesus as an excuse for being a narrow-minded, bigoted asshole. I've given up the search for reality; now I'm just looking for a good fantasy. Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view. I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it. In man's struggle against the world, bet on the world. When you check out, if spent shell casings aren't littered around your feet, you didn't check out right. If you can't say anything nice, then at least have the decency to be vague. Woman and God are intoxicants enough without the hard stuff. Of Course, Woman and God are usually the reason we resort to the hard stuff. Booze is the answer. I don't remember the question. Credit, is the only enduring testimonial to man's confidence in man. If you're one in a million, there are six thousand people exactly like you. The difference between a lawyer and a rooster is that the rooster gets up in the morning and clucks defiance. "Obstruction of justice? No sir, we prefer to think of it 'avoiding complications'." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Definitions Programmer n. - An ingenious device that turns caffeine into code. Just Friends phrase - I don't just want you to mourn the loss; I want to remind you of it every day. I want you to suffer. I want you to envy. I want you to die slowly, a bit at a time. And I want you to smile and thank me for it. wrote in message oups.com... Doug wrote: .....yet another epistle ripe with thinking errors, and misinformation. I'll take just one as an example, as the others, if anyone cares to read and think, are simply hairsplitting bull**** as usual: ......snip.......... Child abuse decidedly is NOT a disease. It does not meet the criteria of a disease. Your shoot from the hip argumentation fails to consider the criteria of a disease. It is a severe thinking error to entertain the notion that child abuse has the components necessary to be classified as a disease. Is it diagnoised? Does it have a biophysical element? A disease is a condition. A crime is a behavior. Sorry, one can have both in the same individual. And sorry also but disease by definition, as you claim below is anything but.... The defination of a disease is exacting. No it isn't. Damn near every field has differing definitions of "disease." And where do you get the idea that having a "behavior" precludes having a "disease?" In fact often a "behavior" is a clue to what disease a person suffers from. Both the victim and the child can suffer from the disease of child abuse, as well of the behavior of child abuse. You are full of your usual bluff, known in some circles as BULL****! Yer out of yer everlovin' mind, douggieboy, and now you are even lying to yourself. # an impairment of health or a condition of abnormal functioning wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn # A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected or those in contact with the person. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries, disabilities, syndromes, symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts these may be considered distinguishable categories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease # Any malfunctioning of host cells and tissues that results from continuous irritation by a pathogenic agent or environmental factor and leads to development of symptoms. www.ento.okstate.edu/Pddl/glossary.htm # Prevalence http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publ...jhs/cjhs4.html # one of the 'divine messengers' (deva-dúta, qv). www.budsas.org/ebud/bud-dict/dic3_d.htm # Any condition which is results in a fall in the level of health of an animal. For a disease condition to exist, there must be three predisposing factors, 1. A disease agent, 2. A host for the disease agent, 3. The environmental conditions which make the host susceptible to the disease agent. Most of the time, animals (the host) live in a state of equilibrium with the pathogens (the disease agent) in their environment. A change in environment can stress the fish, and weaken it's defences against the pathogen, giving it the opportunity to multiply and result in a disease www.aquatext.com/list-d.htm # Process injurious to health and/or longevity http://www.gastric-bypass-treatment....-glossary.aspx # An abnormal condition of body structure and function, usually indicated by symptoms. http://www.sdnhm.org/exhibits/epidem.../glossary.html # Formally speaking, a disease is the condition in which the functioning of the body or a part of the body is interfered with or damaged. In a person with an infectious disease, the infectious agent that has entered the body causes it to function abnormally in some way or ways. The type of abnormal functioning that occurs is the disease. Usually the body will show some signs and symptoms of the problems it is having with functioning. Disease should not be confused with infection. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/glossary.htm # A harmful deviation from the normal functioning of physiological and biochemical processes caused by plant pathogens (fungi, viruses, bacteria, parasites). http://www.lsuagcenter.com/inst/rese...ice/Dterms.htm # Any disturbance of a plant that interferes with its normal structure, function, or economic value. www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/glossary.html # A deleterious change in the body's condition in response to destabilizing factors, such as nutrition, chemicals, or biological agents. highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0070294267/student_view0/glossary_a-d.html # stress condition produced by the effects of a pathogen on a susceptible host. scarab.msu.montana.edu/historybug/glossary.htm # an abnormal bodily condition of a living plant or animal that interferes with functioning and can usually be recognized by signs, symptoms, and illness. whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/biosphere/glossary.html # Illness or sickness often characterized by typical patient problems (symptoms) and physical findings (signs). www.arabinfo.org/montogomery/Terms.htm # An abnormal condition of a plant in which its physiology, morphology, and/or development is altered under the continuous influence of a pathogen. (3) ppathw3.cals.cornell.edu/glossary/Defs_D.htm # A condition of an organism that impairs normal physiological function. Also see Infectious Disease. fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/glossary.html # A combination of lung diseases including emphysema and bronchitis. Emphysema is a chronic disease in which the small air sacs in the lungs (the alveoli) become damaged, resulting in difficulty breathing. Bronchitis is an inflammation of the bronchial tubes (which connect the trachea to the lungs), characterized by blockage of airflow in and out of the lungs. www.ahrq.gov/data/hcup/factbk1/fctbk5.htm # Any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from injury. http://www.canadapharma.org/Patient_...lossary_Terms/ # Literally, dis-ease, lack of ease; pathological condition that presents a group of symptoms peculiar to it and which establishes the condition as an abnormal entity different from other normal or pathological body states. discontinuous effect: See SN intermittent effect www.sis.nlm.nih.gov/Glossary/d.html # Lack of ease; deviation from normal. http://www.usc.edu/hsc/dental/opath/...ctionaryD.html # Illness, sickness. An interruption, cessation, or disorder of body functions, systems, or organs. Top of page http://www.rationaltherapeutics.com/...e/glossary.htm # A condition of the body in which there is incorrect function due to heredity, infection, diet, or environment. http://www.mdk12.org/mspp/vsc/scienc...glossary.shtml # Disease can be defined in three ways: http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealt...n/glossary.htm # Periodontal disease is the deterioration of the supporting structures of the teeth. www.jasonforddds.com/faqs.html # a state in which a function or part of the body is no longer in a healthy condition lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/allergybegone/glossary.html # a medically definable process, in terms of pathophysiology and pathology. Illness is what the patient experiences. www.therubins.com/geninfo/Definit.htm Neither the AMA or the APA considers the behavior of child abuse to be a disease. In fact, no one to my knowledge other than yourself has so classified it. Do you have any references....a single authority that makes such an absurd claim? As usual, trying to blow smoke up the readers ass: http://www.henryfordhealth.org/12640.cfm " Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Health Encyclopedia Back to main Health Information page Disease - Battered child syndrome Fracture types (1) Fracture types (1) Definition: Battered child syndrome refers to children who have undergone physical abuse that has left them with both physical and psychological trauma. Alternative Names: Non-accidental trauma (NAT); Child abuse Causes And Risk: Physical abuse of children occurs in every socioeconomic class, though it is most common amongst the poor due to increased stress and greater lack of control over stressful circumstances. Abuse tends to occur at moments of greatest stress, when the perpetrator strikes out in anger at the child. Many perpetrators were themselves abused as children and they often donīt realize that abuse is not appropriate discipline. Abusers also frequently have poor impulse control, which prevents them from thinking through the consequences of their actions. Because of the relative size and strength difference between adults and children, the abused child can be severely injured or killed unintentionally. Shaking an infant, for example, can cause bleeding over the brain (subdural hematoma) which can cause permanent brain damage or death (shaken baby syndrome). The incidence of child abuse is remarkably high. The total abuse rate is 25.2 per 1,000 children with physical abuse counting for 5.7 per 1000, sexual abuse 2.5 per 1,000, emotional abuse 3.4 per 1000 and neglect accounting for the vast majority, 15.9 per 1,000 children. Of course, these categories often overlap, with sexual and physical abuse often occurring together and with sexual abuse, physical abuse or neglect seldom occurring without emotional abuse. These numbers may also be underestimates due to failure to diagnose or report this problem. Risk factors include poverty, lack of education, single parenthood, alcoholism or other drug addictions and a host of other factors. Prevention: Recognition of pending abuse can help prevent actual abuse. Warning signs include the following: * Abuse history (such as previous abuse of the child or the childīs siblings) * Lack of apparent parental love or concern * Failure to maintain the childīs proper hygiene or care * Parental alcohol or drug problems * Parental emotional problems or mental illness * History of abuse in the parentīs childhood * High stress factors in the family life Intervention with counseling may prevent abuse when any of these factors are present. Watchful guidance and support from the extended family, friends, clergy, or other supportive persons or groups may prevent abuse or may allow early intervention in cases of abuse. Symptoms: * Appearance at an emergency room with an injured child and one or both of the following: o An improbable explanation of the cause of the injury o An injury that is not recent * Bruise marks shaped like hands, fingers, or objects (such as a belt) * Specific patterns of scalding (seen when a conscious child is immersed in hot water) * Burns from an electric stove, radiator, heater or other hot objects on the childīs hands or buttocks * Cigarette burns on exposed areas or the genitals * Black eyes in an infant * Human bite marks * Lash marks * Choke marks around neck * Circular marks around wrists or ankles (twisting) * Separated sutures * Bulging fontanelle * Unexplained unconsciousness in infant Signs And Tests: Physical examination may show other injuries, such as: * Multiple retinal hemorrhages (bleeding in the back of the eye) * Internal damage such as bleeding or rupture of an organ from blunt trauma * Any fracture in an infant that is too young to walk or crawl * Evidence of epiphyseal fractures (often multiple) of long bones or spiral type fractures that result from twisting * Fractured ribs * Evidence of skull fracture (multiple fractures of different ages may be present) * Subdural hematoma (collection of blood in the brain) without plausible explanation Tests that reveal physical injuries include: * Bone X-ray * Skull X-ray and/or MRI or CT scan Treatment: Physical injuries are treated as appropriate for the specific injury. Counseling or intervention of some type for the parent(s) is mandatory. Life-threatening abuse or abuse resulting in permanent damage to the infant or child may result in incarceration for the perpetrator. In some cases, the child may be temporarily or permanently removed from further danger. Many states require that known or suspected child abuse be reported to the police, and reporting is automatic. Child protection services are also notified. The disposition of the child will be determined by the severity of the abuse, the likelihood of recurrence, and other factors. Decisions regarding placing the child with an outside caregiver or returning the child to the home usually are made by the appropriate government agency through the court system. The structure of these agencies varies from state to state...." You seem to want to confine the disease of child abuse to only the perp. Why is that douggieboy? You a perp? Just for you I'll repeat the title: "Disease - Battered child syndrome" And isn't it interesting 0:- that an organization that is heavily invested in tracking, studying, and dissemination information child abuse is called, "Centers for Disease Control?" Then there's the World Health Organization. http://www.who.int/violence_injury_p...ce/neglect/en/ " Burden of Disease The burden of disease due to child abuse and neglect is made up of deaths, disabilities and illness arising immediately from acts of child maltreatment, plus a much larger burden of disease associated with psychiatric and physical disorders that appear to be causally related to the abuse but which onset often many years after the abuse occurred. However, owing to the taboos which exist in most societies around recognising, disclosing, reporting and recording child maltreatment, both these immediate and delayed health effects are particularly difficult to measure accurately." And what does it matter that I'm the only person you've heard of, or in this group, that considers child abuse a disease? I consider it, at the very least, a social disease, and I consider it a mental illness. Any creature that harms it's young and kills them is not a fit member of society and introduce a toxic element to society by injuring their child and later "injecting" that child into the public arena. Child abuse has many of the typical characteristics of a disease, and in fact in the first citation is examined and considered from the perspectives of both Dx and Tx. Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. It is not a disease. It is a crime. It is both. Chemical addiction is a disease. It is not a crime. The act of taking many chemicals, and all that impair in certain circumstances, like operating "heavy machinery," is a crime. What planet are you on? Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. The point, Douggie, that you are now doing your weasel best to get others to forget, and possibly yourself as well, is that I said child abuse can be present as both a crime and a disease, and even in one individual. You have ignored that nicely, but it's still true. Just as wrong possession is a crime and some who wrongfully possess (those that take the substance) also have the disease of chemical dependency. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. Child abuse is a crime. That it is a crime does not make it a disease. No, and that is a lying weasel. I said, it "does not precule it being also a disease." Why do you do this obvious bumbling? Are you losing your mind? Aren't you too young for Alzheimer's? Child abuse is not a disease because it does not meet the criteria of being a disease. Sorry. It does and others with the authority you asked for are quoted above, and cited. Child abuse is not a condition. I beg your pardon? If I asked what condition a child is in that has been abused and someone answers me, "that child is only slightly injured, the other in grave condition and may die," you find it convenient to claim child abuse is not a "condition?" It is a behavior. No, as I pointed out, and I've provided citations by authority, and there were certainly many more than the few I pointed out, it is both a behavior and and outcome. Child abuse includes both victim and perp, Doug, and how you, who claim to be a social worker, miss that is totally beyond me. Your desire to further your propaganda and your emotionally driven hate campaign are becoming enterly too apparent, is that not so? That it is not a disease does not preclude the behavior from being a crime. Depending on its severity, the behavior or lack of behavior is a misdemeanor or a felony. And the behavior being a crime does not preclude it being an act that is symptomatic of a social disease, and of a diseased mind as well. And it's experience to the victim meets all the criteria of a disease victim experience. Read what a disease is. If an abuser does injury to a child the abuser is the disease that injured, both by acts, and by his or her very existence, just like many diseases proceed. Check you thinking, Kane. And, please, if you have any authority charged with defining disease calling child abuse a disease, please cite it. Check my thinking? Is that how you wish to cover up your own vast spewings if flawed thinking and conclusions you put forth? And I cited them. And I've pointed out the logic of viewing child abuse as a disease. And I'll point out one more thing, just especially for you. 0:- The best treatment for child abuse, just like chemical dependency is a similar regimen. Treat child abuse as a disease (what it is) and you can make progress against it. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. LOL! Why do you laugh at something so very serious? Because you are unwilling to face it and have to dodge even your own thoughts? Not at all. Sorry, it appears very much as though you do exactly as I point out...or you are monumentally stupid and ignorant. Child abuse does not meet the criteria of being a disease. It fails to meet two of the components. Do you know which ones? Why play guessing games? And name them and I'll show you were they are met by definition and fact. To come out of the blue and attempt to claim that child abuse is a disease is manipulative. It is not accurate. No, it is not the least manipulative. I make NO attempt to hide anything. I do not deviate and dodge and avoid and attempt to confuse the reader with sophistries and diversions. A disease is condition. Child abuse is a condition. Ask the child and the doctor that examines. Ask the CDC. Ask the WHO. A crime is a behavior (or lack of a required one). And you seriously believe that it being, as you claim, that child abuse is only a behavior and not a condition. Hmmm...interesting thinking processes. Please, see a gerantologist. I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. LOL! You may want to look up the defination of a disease. Most, if not all, of the readers here know that child abuse is decidedly not a disease. No, they know no such thing. Most folks haven't given that much thought until you and I opened up this conversation on it. That is far more likely, Douggieboy. And when the go to look at my citations they will see you are the perverbial stuffed christmas goose. I was not telling them something they don't know. Yes, you were and you still are trying to tell them something they don't know, and they don't know it because it's not true. Nevertheless you have some investment in classifying child abuse as a crime only. That's very dangerous for someone in your line of work. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a latent child abuse disease. Yes there is. People regularly, for instance, use Corporal Punishment to "discipline" their children...to try and control them. It may never rise to the level of abuse. And then again I may. And does, all too often. It was a latent condition prior to rising to the level of abuse. Child abuse does not exist unless a child is abused. I beg your pardon? What nonsense is THIS. Suddenly you are building my case for me? Of course it doesn't it "exists" from the perspective of those not yet subjected to it. Are you willing to say battered spouse syndrom doesn't exist unless a spouse is battered? Child abuse is an illegal behavior that occurs in various levels of severity, and are prosecuted in criminal court as either misdemeanors or felonies based upon the level of severity. You may chant and mumble the same words over and over again, but it changes nothing. Of course it's illegal. That does not keep it from being a disease. Just as inebriation is a crime, it comes from people often with a disease. Just as you claimed for chemical dependency earlier in this post. Your position that child abuse is a disease whose symptoms are at first latent is absurd. What are the symptoms of this latent disease before it is "acted out?" R R R ...well first of all "latent disease" does not have "symptoms." Those exist only in those infected or affected. But like a disease it has precursor characteristics. Vectors, hosts, incubation periods, and similar disease characteristics. Poverty, lack of education, crime, mental illness, being a victim before victimizing others, are all characteristics that mark child abuse and it's likelihood. Or would you care to argue with the authorities on that one? For instance, someone with a chemical dependency disease is known to abuse or neglect more likely and more often than those without such a condition. More neglect happens in empoverished populations. LOL! Your theory is halarious. But it is not held by those who define disease or those who draw up criminal statutes. By now you've read the citations. Still laughing? Child abuse is not a disease. Wrong Child abuse is a crime. Right Pollywannacracker? Usually nine year olds pass harmlessly through the magical thinking stage of human mental development. What happened to you? 0:- |
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Diseases have characteristics. And respond to conditions to become
active in the victim. Child abuse has them as well, both. " Even today, child abuse is highly correlated with income, with children in homes with incomes below $15,000 being 22 times more likely to be physically abused, 18 times more likely to be sexually abused, and 56 times more likely to be neglected than those with family incomes exceeding $30,000. " http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln07_evolution.html |
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Kane writes:
The act of taking many chemicals, and all that impair in certain circumstances, like operating "heavy machinery," is a crime. What planet are you on? Hi, Kane, Yep, operating a vehicle or other machinery under the influence of any drug is a crime regardless of whether the perp has the disease of chemical dependency or not. The crime you speak of has nothing to do with the disease of addiction, but of operating a car or other vehicle under the influence. Wrongful possession of controlled substances is a crime. It is not a disease. The point, Douggie, that you are now doing your weasel best to get others to forget, and possibly yourself as well, is that I said child abuse can be present as both a crime and a disease, and even in one individual. You have ignored that nicely, but it's still true. Someone with no disease of addiction can commit the crime of being in possession of an illegal substance. Just like all convicted child abusers, who do not have any "disease," were prosecuted for the crime of child abuse. One can have both the disease of addiction and violate the criminal statute of possession of a legal substance, but the disease does not invoke the law. Since there is no disease of child abuse, one only law when one commits the crime of child abuse. And the behavior being a crime does not preclude it being an act that is symptomatic of a social disease, and of a diseased mind as well. While criminal statutes on child abuse may be violated by people who have the flu, diabetes or have a mental illness does not make the child abuse symptomatic of those diseases. And committing the crime of child abuse certainly does not mean that there is a dorment child abuse "disease" responsible for the action. And it's experience to the victim meets all the criteria of a disease victim experience. The victim may well experience physical trauma, emotional damage that reaches the level of mental illness and display any number of symptoms of medical or psychological injury. That the victim has a disorder does not make the crime that caused it a disease. The victim of the crime of child abuse is suffering from a condition or multitude of them, just as an adult victim of a gunshot received during a robbery. That does not make robbery or shooting people a disease. Child abuse is not a disease. The victims of child abuse may well suffer a disease as the result of the trauma inflicted by the criminal. Nope. Child abuse decidedly does not lay limpant as a disease and then suddenly surface as a criminal behavior. There is no such thing as a latent child abuse disease. Yes there is. People regularly, for instance, use Corporal Punishment to "discipline" their children...to try and control them. It may never rise to the level of abuse. And then again I may. And does, all too often. Wow! Thank you, I've got another keeper quote. So, people who use corporal punishment have the disease the child abuse that may or may not rise to the level of child abuse? Do all those who use corporal punishment have the disease of child abuse or are only those whose punishment violates the law have the disease of child abuse? Should CPS open a case against all parents who use corporal punishment so they can treat the disease of child abuse? It was a latent condition prior to rising to the level of abuse. So spankers are latent child abusers? But, no, in your example, no latent disorder plays a role. In the first incidence, you have corporal punishment. In the second, child abuse. The "disease" of child abuse does not underlie both. Mostly, because there is no such thing as the disease of child abuse, latent or otherwise. |
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