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Shy teenager
toypup wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message [snip] One thing that really struck me is that he enjoys hanging out with his little brother (and presumably with his brother's friends). 13 can be such a funny age. At 13, there are kids who are full-fledged teens, and there are other kids who are still little boys. Is it possible that your son is just a little behind the curve of his peers, so he really doesn't have all that much in common with them for the moment? I lost interest in a lot of my old friends at that age for just those reasons. I was secretly playing with dolls while they were having make-out parties and smoking. Excellent point. If he is 13 in 8th grade, he is probably one of the younger kids in class. A lot of kids are 14 or 15. The other boys and girls in his class may be also be getting interested in dating, but he's not ready for this. As he gets older, this may resolve itself. Really? When I was in 8th grade, kids were 13 or 14. 14 or 15 yo's were in 9th grade. Of course, nowadays, there is more redshirting. I'm not too up on age/grades in the US, but I do think Jeff and Barb have a good point. If he is one of the younger kids, *and* a late developer, he is going to be a long way behind some of the other kids. His developmental age could be 18 months or two years behind older/early developer kids, even if they are all in the right class. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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Penny Gaines wrote:
toypup wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message [snip] One thing that really struck me is that he enjoys hanging out with his little brother (and presumably with his brother's friends). 13 can be such a funny age. At 13, there are kids who are full-fledged teens, and there are other kids who are still little boys. Is it possible that your son is just a little behind the curve of his peers, so he really doesn't have all that much in common with them for the moment? I lost interest in a lot of my old friends at that age for just those reasons. I was secretly playing with dolls while they were having make-out parties and smoking. Excellent point. If he is 13 in 8th grade, he is probably one of the younger kids in class. A lot of kids are 14 or 15. The other boys and girls in his class may be also be getting interested in dating, but he's not ready for this. As he gets older, this may resolve itself. Really? When I was in 8th grade, kids were 13 or 14. 14 or 15 yo's were in 9th grade. Of course, nowadays, there is more redshirting. I'm not too up on age/grades in the US, but I do think Jeff and Barb have a good point. If he is one of the younger kids, *and* a late developer, he is going to be a long way behind some of the other kids. His developmental age could be 18 months or two years behind older/early developer kids, even if they are all in the right class. I sent my daughter to a horse camp when she was almost 11. She had a fine time with the horses (which she loved), and she was comfortable with the camping part of it because she had been at camp before and also camped with us, but the ages for the camp were 11 to 14, and she was basically miserable because the other girl were into clothes and fixing their hair and nails, and boys and that wasn't even on her radar yet. When I graduated from HS, I was 17 and 7 months, and my sister was around her 17th birthday (because she skipped first grade) when she graduated. When I was in 9th grade, there were some boys who were still really children in my homeroom. They were physically as small as most 6th graders. My son graduated from HS in May when he was 18 and 4+ months, so in 8th grade at this time of year, he would have been 14 and 2 months. His was a January birthday. Both my older daughters were 18 for their whole senior year (August and September birthdays), and the youngest one had just turned 18 when she graduated. So I think 14 in the 8th grade would be the norm here. OTOH, when I was teaching 7th grade, there were kids there who were 14 or almost 15 already because they had been held back. |
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"Jeff" wrote in
news:VjoJh.1529$2%3.1432@trndny06: Employees who are janitors and such may make a marginal living. However, I think the vast majority of employees, here in the US and abroad, make a living that is above the mean and median income for their area. If any of the employees have trouble making ends meet, I think it is rarely because the means are not adequate. I am not saying that employees can expect a life of luxury, however. no, you don't understand. almost *all* the Microsoft employees in the US are contract workers. that means they do not get any benefits. they are paid salary, which means they work more than 60 hours per week with no overtime pay, & their job can be terminated at any time for any reason (like only working 55 hours) lee -- Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson |
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enigma wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in news:VjoJh.1529$2%3.1432@trndny06: Employees who are janitors and such may make a marginal living. However, I think the vast majority of employees, here in the US and abroad, make a living that is above the mean and median income for their area. If any of the employees have trouble making ends meet, I think it is rarely because the means are not adequate. I am not saying that employees can expect a life of luxury, however. no, you don't understand. almost *all* the Microsoft employees in the US are contract workers. that means they do not get any benefits. they are paid salary, which means they work more than 60 hours per week with no overtime pay, & their job can be terminated at any time for any reason (like only working 55 hours) lee I've been a contract employee and so has my dh. It isn't really that different. Lots of people work more than 60 hours a week whether they are paid a salary or not. I did more than 60 hours a week sometimes (and was paid a salary which was why they got out of paying overtime) when I wasn't a contract employee. And that is irrelevant anyway. Bill Gates is what he is, and he's just the most visible geek ATM |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
"enigma" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in news:VjoJh.1529$2%3.1432@trndny06: Employees who are janitors and such may make a marginal living. However, I think the vast majority of employees, here in the US and abroad, make a living that is above the mean and median income for their area. If any of the employees have trouble making ends meet, I think it is rarely because the means are not adequate. I am not saying that employees can expect a life of luxury, however. no, you don't understand. almost *all* the Microsoft employees in the US are contract workers. that means they do not get any benefits. they are paid salary, which means they work more than 60 hours per week with no overtime pay, & their job can be terminated at any time for any reason (like only working 55 hours) lee -- Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson That one's job can be terminated at any time for any reason is actually a common thing. I think that is true of most software engineering types of work. This is most likely true at Google, Yahoo and Sun, too. One of the reasons why Google has otherwise good workiing conditions (doctors on site, day care nearby, buses to work, lots of free food) is so that their workers will work long hours. Can you please define what you mean by contract workers? And can you please cite some references? I am curious about this. According to Microsft's 2006 Annual Report (on their website) there are 28,000 Research and Development employees around the world. Microsoft spent about $6.5 billion on R&D, about $232,000. This probably includes about $80k for average salary (my guess). Fringe benefits, stock options, etc., probably cost about $25,000. The rest of the cost includes the cost of the buildings, electricity, recruiting, computers, etc. You're correct about no overtime. But that's part of the deal. $80k a year, but long hours. Personally, if I ever went to work for a company like Microsoft, I would make it clear that I would be working from 0900-1700 or whatever, but, that I would also expect a salary reflecting that those are the hours I worked, not 0900 to 1300. Anyway, that's my take. Jeff |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
Jeff wrote:
That one's job can be terminated at any time for any reason is actually a common thing. Sadly, that's absolutely true--contract worker or not. Most US states are "at will" states, where your employer can fire you at any time and for any reason, unless you are a member of a protected class and you can show discrimination. If you're fired "for cause" you might be able to fight the reason; however, the employer doesn't have to fire you for cause. You can be fired just because, at which point the employer doesn't have to have a reason for firing you. Actually, workers with a work contract often have more protections, as the work contract often specifies some conditions to be satisfied upon termination, or specifies a certain period of performance. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message . .. Jeff wrote: That one's job can be terminated at any time for any reason is actually a common thing. Sadly, that's absolutely true--contract worker or not. Most US states are "at will" states, where your employer can fire you at any time and for any reason, unless you are a member of a protected class and you can show discrimination. If you're fired "for cause" you might be able to fight the reason; however, the employer doesn't have to fire you for cause. You can be fired just because, at which point the employer doesn't have to have a reason for firing you. Actually, workers with a work contract often have more protections, as the work contract often specifies some conditions to be satisfied upon termination, or specifies a certain period of performance. Best wishes, Ericka I agree. Jeff |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
"Jeff" wrote in
news:GJyJh.9088$S06.53@trndny08: Can you please define what you mean by contract workers? And can you please cite some references? I am curious about this. they're hired from an employment agency or are "independant vendors", so that M$ doesn't have to pay benefits, like healthcare. most workers at M$ do not have healthcare, retirement (although i guess only upper management get that sort of thing anymore anywhere), etc. IOW, most M$ employees aren't actual employees of M$. they're contract workers or temps, & therefore excluded from benefit plans. You're correct about no overtime. But that's part of the deal. $80k a year, but long hours. Personally, if I ever went to work for a company like Microsoft, I would make it clear that I would be working from 0900-1700 or whatever, but, that I would also expect a salary reflecting that those are the hours I worked, not 0900 to 1300. and then you wouldn't get the job. lee -- Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
"enigma" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in news:GJyJh.9088$S06.53@trndny08: Can you please define what you mean by contract workers? And can you please cite some references? I am curious about this. they're hired from an employment agency or are "independant vendors", so that M$ doesn't have to pay benefits, like healthcare. most workers at M$ do not have healthcare, retirement (although i guess only upper management get that sort of thing anymore anywhere), etc. IOW, most M$ employees aren't actual employees of M$. they're contract workers or temps, & therefore excluded from benefit plans. Can you please provide a link about this? It is the first I have heard about this. You're correct about no overtime. But that's part of the deal. $80k a year, but long hours. Personally, if I ever went to work for a company like Microsoft, I would make it clear that I would be working from 0900-1700 or whatever, but, that I would also expect a salary reflecting that those are the hours I worked, not 0900 to 1300. and then you wouldn't get the job. lee In my last job as a software engineer, I worked 1000-1820. If there was a project that really needed to be done, I would stay late or get in a bit early. I also did things from home. I got really ****ed when I had to stay late to get something done when it didn't matter if it got done then or the next day. When I didn't take their hints to move to California, they moved job out there anyway. Jeff -- Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson |
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Microsft's employment practcies. Was Shy teenager
enigma wrote: "Jeff" wrote in news:GJyJh.9088$S06.53@trndny08: Can you please define what you mean by contract workers? And can you please cite some references? I am curious about this. they're hired from an employment agency or are "independant vendors", so that M$ doesn't have to pay benefits, like healthcare. most workers at M$ do not have healthcare, retirement (although i guess only upper management get that sort of thing anymore anywhere), etc. IOW, most M$ employees aren't actual employees of M$. they're contract workers or temps, & therefore excluded from benefit plans. I don't know anything about the situation with Microsoft, but being a contract employee doesn't preclude having benefits. I'm a contract IT worker and I'm eligible for health insurance, disability insurance, and a 401K plan - the benefits come from the contracting agency, not the company I actually do the work for. If I were salaried instead of hourly, I'd get paid sick leave and vacation. The previous contracting company I worked for offered the same benefits. Clisby You're correct about no overtime. But that's part of the deal. $80k a year, but long hours. Personally, if I ever went to work for a company like Microsoft, I would make it clear that I would be working from 0900-1700 or whatever, but, that I would also expect a salary reflecting that those are the hours I worked, not 0900 to 1300. and then you wouldn't get the job. lee |
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