|
| If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|||||||
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
November 16th 03, 10:55 AM
|
|||
|
|||
Choice for Men FAQ
Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970. -- Kingsley G. Morse Jr. 
|
|
#3
November 16th 03, 06:34 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results.
Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#4
November 16th 03, 10:19 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage?
"Fighting For Kids" wrote in message ... Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#5
November 16th 03, 10:19 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage?
"Fighting For Kids" wrote in message ... Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#6
November 17th 03, 04:41 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Who let you out of yours?
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:19:30 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#7
November 17th 03, 04:41 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Who let you out of yours?
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:19:30 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#8
November 18th 03, 02:21 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
I'm not touching you, is this bugging you?
"Fighting For Kids" wrote in message ... Who let you out of yours? On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:19:30 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#9
November 18th 03, 02:21 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
I'm not touching you, is this bugging you?
"Fighting For Kids" wrote in message ... Who let you out of yours? On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:19:30 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
#10
November 18th 03, 03:55 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Choice for Men FAQ
Hardly.. On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:21:51 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: I'm not touching you, is this bugging you? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Who let you out of yours? On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:19:30 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: Oh, brother... Who let you out of your cage? "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message .. . Choice for men is something that would have disasterous results. Dont want to support what you did in bed last night? Simple dont have sex. Dont want to support a child from a marriage? Simple, just use this stupid agenda and you dont have to Want to be a deadbeat? Simple, use this plan. Grow up. Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. Including a man who cant keep his fly zipped and woman who cant keep her legs closed. This is a unworthy cause that will never make it. On 16 Nov 2003 02:55:07 -0800, (Delete the "D") wrote: Q: What is "Choice for Men"? A: Choice for Men is a proposal to improve the law so it protects men's right to plan their families. Q: Would Choice for Men force women to have abortions? A: No. Q: What exactly is Choice for Men? A: Choice for Men would give men a recourse, remedy or relief from being tricked or trapped into parenthood, perhaps by allowing them to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities, like in an adoption, via financial compensation or by forcing an actual adoption. Some proposals would limit the time during which the choice can be made, make the choice irrevocable, only apply when men are lied to about birth control or when boys are statutorially raped. One proposal even allows women to relinquish their parental rights and responsibilities. Choice for Men isn't a medical procedure. Q: How many men are tricked or trapped into parenthood? A: No one knows the exact number, but we can estimate from the following statistics: * Preliminary data indicates that 33% of U.S. births may be unintended according to fathers[0]. * Paternities are established in U.S. courts at the rate of one or two per minute. Q: Isn't Choice for Men simply a way for men to get out of paying child support? A: No, it's more. Choice for Men is about fairness and family planning. Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by just using condoms? A: Proponents of legalizing choice for men generally support contraception, but keep in mind that condoms are unreliable. They have a 16% annual failure rate [1]. After just four years you can bet on having an accidental pregnancy and after 20 years of using condoms, the chances are that a man will most likely experience not one, not two, but three accidental pregnancies! Q: Can't men avoid paying child support by not consenting to sex? A: Many people are surprised to learn that men can't legally avoid parenthood by not consenting to sex. It's true! Here's a quote from a court case in Kansas: "The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." [3] Similar cases have happened in other states. Q: Aren't all children entitled to support from both parents? A: No. A common exception is single parent adoptions, which are fully legal and looked upon favorably by the various social service agencies. Q: Wouldn't Choice for Men impoverish children? A: It's not yet clear whether legalizing choice for men would affect how many fathers choose to be absent. The simple reason is that the current paternity laws reward women with child support for forcing men into fatherhood and may well result in more absent fathers. Even if legalizing choice for men did result in more single parent families, adoption and sperm donorship are already legal for single parents and looked upon favorably by various social service agencies. One can also show that the economic benefits of a second parent's income don't rise to the level of a "compelling state interest" which justifies the state forcing men into legal parenthood. [4] Q: Where can I find out more about Choice for Men? A: 1. Email list servers dedicated to legalizing Choice for Men (www.choiceformen.com/list_servers.html) 2. www.choiceformen.com 3. National Center for Men. Call (503) 224-9477 4. Men's Rights Inc. Call (916) 484-7333 References 0 - Abma, Joyce and Linda Piccinino, 1994 "Unintended Births: Women's Attitudes vis-a-vis their Male Partners' Attitudes: 1982-1990", paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association, August 3, 1994, Los Angeles, CA. NCHS, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, (301) 436-8731 1 - Facts in Brief, Contraceptive Use, Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York City, New York, (212) 248-1111. 2 - Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965) 3 - State of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen Hermesmann, Appellee, v. Shane Seyer, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants. No. 67,978. Supreme Court of Kansas. March 5, 1993. 4 - See generally Goldberg v. Kelly, 397 U.S. 254, 265-6, 90 S.Ct. 1011, 1019, 25 L.Ed.2d 287, 1970.
|
|
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Choice for Men FAQ | Delete the D | Child Support | 0 | September 16th 03 10:55 AM |
| Choice for Men FAQ | Delete the D | Child Support | 0 | July 16th 03 10:55 AM |
Linear Mode
