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no epidural!!!!!
Gilbey and Susie wrote in message ... my dr and also the nurse at my birthing class both said that it will not numb me, i will still have my motor skills and i can walk around and will be able to push. it only takes away the pain but it doesn't take away any pain caused by the head crowning etc.. I didn't find the epidural took away completely the pain of the head crowning. I didn't have pain relief for #2 and didn't find the head crowning painful. (And believe me, the "pain" of the head crowning is lovely because you know they're nearly out!!) Debbie |
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no epidural!!!!!
Gilbey and Susie wrote:
i can't get an epidural! they only do nubain and intrathecals for pain relief. i wanted to be totally numb when this kid pops out but looks like i can't. anyone have any experience with intrathecals and nubain???? An intrathecal is the same as a spinal, which is very similar to an epidural in effect. When it works, it does provide complete anesthesia. (Epidurals, by the way, only have about an 80 percent rate of providing complete anesthesia, which is why it's generally a very good idea to have a backup plan in case you plan for complete anesthesia doesn't work out for some reason. IIRC, spinals/intracathals have a somewhat higher rate of effectiveness, but can be limited in duration.) Best wishes, Ericka |
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no epidural!!!!!
Gilbey and Susie wrote:
my dr and also the nurse at my birthing class both said that it will not numb me, i will still have my motor skills and i can walk around and will be able to push. it only takes away the pain but it doesn't take away any pain caused by the head crowning etc.. Hmmm...like "epidural," "intrathecal" is just a delivery method for drugs. In both cases, it also matters *which* drug (or combination of drugs) are administered via that method. It sounds like maybe in your location, they are only administering analgesics, rather than analgesics plus an anesthetic, via the intrathecal. This is similar to what is called a "walking epidural" in the US, where only analgesics (typically narcotics) are administered via the epidural. However, it surprises me that you'd be able to walk around. Even with walking epidurals in the US, the "walking" part tends to be a bit optimistic. They are falling out of favor in the US because the relief they offer is not as complete and yet you don't really get significant mobility either (at least in practice--generally there's a requirement that a nurse be with you if you're out of bed, and there aren't always nurses available to do that). Best wishes, Ericka |
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no epidural!!!!!
Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Gilbey and Susie wrote: my dr and also the nurse at my birthing class both said that it will not numb me, i will still have my motor skills and i can walk around and will be able to push. it only takes away the pain but it doesn't take away any pain caused by the head crowning etc.. Hmmm...like "epidural," "intrathecal" is just a delivery method for drugs. In both cases, it also matters *which* drug (or combination of drugs) are administered via that method. It sounds like maybe in your location, they are only administering analgesics, rather than analgesics plus an anesthetic, via the intrathecal. This is similar to what is called a "walking epidural" in the US, where only analgesics (typically narcotics) are administered via the epidural. However, it surprises me that you'd be able to walk around. Even with walking epidurals in the US, the "walking" part tends to be a bit optimistic. They are falling out of favor in the US because the relief they offer is not as complete and yet you don't really get significant mobility either (at least in practice--generally there's a requirement that a nurse be with you if you're out of bed, and there aren't always nurses available to do that). I took child birth classes at my local hospital but delivered at a different one. The person teaching the classes had an interthecal and she said she could walk around with it. She was able to reach down and deliver her own baby. The doc was there too as she was in the hospital. I can't remember if she had complete pain relief or not though? She had her first two naturally so 100% pain relief would probably not have been a priority. She was very biased towards pain relief which annoyed me to no end during the classes. IIRC you must need an anesthesiologist to administer the epidural but not the interthecal. That is why this particular hospital only offered interthecal's and not epidurals - there was no anesthesiologist on staff. The nurses at the larger hospital I delivered at had never even heard of an interthecal. -- Nikki Mama to Hunter (5) and Luke (3) |
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Elfanie wrote:
Since an intrathecal is the exact same thing as a Spinal ... I'd be surprised if your hospital had anyone but an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist administering one. It is weird that they would do an interthecal and not an epidural then. Maybe the difference was the medication used? I'm 100% sure they did not have an anesthesiologist on staff. They only did surgeries (including c-sections) on scheduled days when one came in from out of town. If you needed an emergency c-section they flew you out. Maybe a nurse anesthetist can do interthecals but not surgeries or epidurals??? I'm so interested I'd call and ask but they have one now :-) I think interthecal is very misleading as a name then. The child birth class nurse went on and on about how much better they were then epidurals etc. Had the word 'spinal' been used I'm sure the reception would not have been so great :-0. -- Nikki Mama to Hunter (5) and Luke (3) |
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no epidural!!!!!
Nikki wrote: Gilbey and Susie wrote: i can't get an epidural! they only do nubain and intrathecals for pain relief. i wanted to be totally numb when this kid pops out but looks like i can't. anyone have any experience with intrathecals and nubain???? I've not had either. I've talked to one person IRL that had the interathecal and she couldn't say enough good things about it. I had stadol hours and hours before I delivered #1. He was a very sleepy baby but the nurses said that was because of the long delivery. Who knows? Anyway, I thought that stuff was awesome. I could do with some of that every day :-) Yeah, isn't stadol similar to nubain? I could definitely do with some nubain when I get a really bad headache. Clisby |
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no epidural!!!!!
"Gilbey and Susie" wrote in message ... my dr and also the nurse at my birthing class both said that it will not numb me, i will still have my motor skills and i can walk around and will be able to push. it only takes away the pain but it doesn't take away any pain caused by the head crowning etc.. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think epidurals "took away" the crowning pain (not sure what you mean bye the "etc" part). At least they didn't for the two epidural births that I have witnessed. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! On the other hand, since you seem interested in having a "pain free" labor and birth, you might want to consider that even epidurals and other analgesics don't always work (or don't work as well as you would like), and you may want to have a Plan B for dealing with pain (relaxation methods & techniques). Just a suggestion, not meant to impose. --Jodi |
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Gilbey and Susie wrote: *my dr and also the nurse at my birthing class both said that it will not *numb me, i will still have my motor skills and i can walk around and will be *able to push. it only takes away the pain but it doesn't take away any pain *caused by the head crowning etc.. Well, if they give you enough of the right anesthetic intrathecally, you will be numb, that's for sure. Apparently they plan to give you less or different drugs than would be required for numbness. in that case it makes even less of a difference - they'd probably do the same thing if they were going epidurally. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Nikki wrote: *IIRC you must need an anesthesiologist to administer the epidural but not *the interthecal. That is why this particular hospital only offered *interthecal's and not epidurals - there was no anesthesiologist on staff. That doesn't really make sense. You have to go THROUGH the epidural space to reach the intrathecal space. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Nikki wrote: *I think interthecal is very misleading as a name then. The child birth Well, it's *intra*thecal, not interthecal. It's not misleading - it's descriptive. The medication used is injected into the intrathecal (as opposed to the epidural) space in the spinal column. Your class nurse was either an ignorant git, or a poor educator, or both. She obviously failed to explain what she was talking about. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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